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  • Deleted user 14 November 2013 20:33:09
    To me Hoddle's views are indicative of someone who isn't quite all there himself. I don't see the need for it to be needled out of him. There was no public service being done. He may be bonkers but he was doing no harm, nor anything illegal, and it had nothing to do with his job.
  • nickthegun 14 Nov 2013 20:39:41 67,862 posts
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    If we chased out every footballer with unpalatable views there wouldnt be any left. Certainly, ive heard views from a few african footballers that make hoddle look moderate.
  • Deleted user 14 November 2013 20:43:16
    I do agree that once his views were exposed his position was untenable. I just don't agree any public interest was served in exposing them. Furthermore, I do feel sorry for him. Everyone is entitled to believe whatever they want. It's what you do that affects others.
  • nickthegun 14 Nov 2013 20:49:44 67,862 posts
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    My favourite Hoddle stories are the ones where he just couldnt get his head around players being shit.

    He was still so good when he was a manager, when he demonstrated things on the training field he used to go mad when his squad couldnt do it.
  • Trowel 14 Nov 2013 21:50:10 20,426 posts
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    Coleman has signed a new contract with Wales. Shit fuck bollocks :(
  • captbirdseye 14 Nov 2013 22:02:21 7,699 posts
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    @Trowel Yep, can't believe they've given him a two year deal after the shambolic displays in the Qualifiers.
  • Trowel 14 Nov 2013 22:07:34 20,426 posts
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    I wouldn't mind if we'd shown a shred of the playing style Speed developed, but we've literally gone straight to playing League One football with our strongest squad for two decades :(
  • TheSaint 15 Nov 2013 10:32:20 16,669 posts
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    Was Hoddle even that good as England manager anyway? He inherited a team that had got a penalty shoot out away from the European Championships final and took them to a World Cup where we were knocked out in the second round (perhaps somewhat unluckily). We had a few good performances during that time but I don't remember anything stellar aside from perhaps scraping the draw in Italy.

    I also seem to remember plenty of players saying that his poor man management skills made him unpopular with the squad, not to mention some of his more bizarre training methods / superstitions. Didn't one of the players also reveal that he brought in some mystery doctor to give everyone injections before games in France '98? That always seemed particularly dodgy.

    He seemed to have a bit more success as a club manager though.
  • spindle9988 15 Nov 2013 11:11:35 4,302 posts
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    I always heard that Hoddle was (is) one of the greatesr coaches in the game. During his short spell as manager we played some really nice football, and were really unlucky to go out that early.

    I still could never defend what he said. Can you imagine saying to a little kid with major disabilities: Sorry mate but its all your fault, because you were a cunt in a pretend former life
  • Stickman 15 Nov 2013 11:19:35 29,652 posts
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    The religious alternative is that God hates him in THIS life.
  • Dougs 15 Nov 2013 14:12:15 78,635 posts
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    Steven Taylor speaks. Errm.
  • wobbler147 15 Nov 2013 14:31:44 5,186 posts
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  • The-Bodybuilder 15 Nov 2013 16:06:48 16,202 posts
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    FWB wrote:
    The-Bodybuilder wrote:
    If all the "ignorant" views of the England players "deserved to be exposed", then you might as well shut down the national squad.

    For one thing, John Terry still plays a major part.
    There are more important things than football. If you have such views, keep your mouth shut. Else as a representative and role model you need to go.

    I know that's not how it works, but that is how I feel it should work. No sympathy for Hoddle. Doesn't matter if he'd won us the WC.
    I don't disagree at all and feel he was right to go.
    Just pointing out the case if it truly is the case of "exposing all the ignorant views" then the England team would be toast. Heck I'm convinced sure most people here hold at least one ignorant viewpoint on a subject matter.

    If you reveal it, then more fool you. Just don't think it should be the case of the media digging deep to "expose" the ignorant viewpoints, deservingly.
  • TheSaint 15 Nov 2013 16:09:03 16,669 posts
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    Dougs wrote:
    Steven Taylor speaks. Errm.
    Angling for a move to Chelsea or Liverpool in January I reckon.
  • HarryPalmer 15 Nov 2013 16:25:50 4,638 posts
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    You've really got to wonder.

    Top top bantz though.
  • Feanor 15 Nov 2013 16:28:19 14,270 posts
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    Mr_Sleep wrote:
    TheSaint wrote:
    Anyone else read Hoddle's new column?

    Nothing quite like the man who didn't take Le Tiss to France '98 bemoaning England managers reluctance to take a punt on gifted players from smaller clubs. On the plus side he's more than happy to take credit for giving those small club wonders Owen and Beckham a chance.
    I'd say it is much more beneficial for a player to be overlooked for a time until he has proven his worth at club level. Lallana has been a player with some skill and application but not enough for international level. It's only this season where he is showing the right level of consistency to get a call up.
    I had no idea Lallana was English.
  • Mr_Sleep 15 Nov 2013 16:32:04 20,258 posts
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    Is that because he seems to have good close control? ;-)
  • nickthegun 15 Nov 2013 16:33:09 67,862 posts
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    And Rodriguez. What a british name that is, eh? eh? eh?
  • Mr_Sleep 15 Nov 2013 16:38:12 20,258 posts
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    Amusing idea from the Football Weekly podcast: Managers as people in cop shows. I was particularly amused by the idea of AVB being part of internal affairs, ostracised by the other managers.
  • Deleted user 15 November 2013 16:39:02
    He was born in Pakistan/India...I mean Burnley.

  • MadCaddy13 15 Nov 2013 17:18:58 2,490 posts
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    Januzaj is peetering out a bit eh. Not English anymore!
  • Deleted user 15 November 2013 17:20:24
    Oh well. What a shame. Let's move on.
  • President_Weasel 15 Nov 2013 17:41:31 11,811 posts
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    Christ I miss proper football. Curse you, internationals.
  • TheMayorOfJugs 15 Nov 2013 18:08:11 6,404 posts
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    I actually can't wait to see how Forster, Llallana and Rodriguez do for England.
  • Syrette 15 Nov 2013 18:58:58 47,628 posts
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    Don't think Rodriguez is exactly international quality. I realise he's there as a replacement for Welbeck but that's not exactly a glowing compliment.

    Lallana I like and he's proved himself to be consistent enough to warrant an England call-up.

    Forster has had a couple of decent games in the Champions League but plays in a joke of a league, so I think he's only there because England are currently lacking quality keepers.
  • TheSaint 15 Nov 2013 20:23:25 16,669 posts
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    Are we talking playing for Spain international quality or playing for England? Because he may not be the best but he is easily good enough to get in a team that would have Welbeck or Johnson as regular starters.
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  • Mr_Sleep 16 Nov 2013 20:14:58 20,258 posts
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    Rumors are that Dempsey might be on his way to Villa on loan. Be an excellent addition, although I Ann cynical about the likelihood of it happening tbh.
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