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  • kentmonkey 13 Oct 2013 11:14:14 20,105 posts
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    They'd be better off buying up an Italian team.

    a) they need the money and
    b) it wouldn't take much now to get a team into the CL in that league.
  • arials101 13 Oct 2013 11:27:24 852 posts
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    The Premier League has a higher global following and (slightly more) financially robust. It might be easier to buy winning in Italy, but the Premier League would give them the higher visibility that they want as well as higher match day and TV revenues.
  • kentmonkey 13 Oct 2013 11:31:17 20,105 posts
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    Agreed, but only if they get CL really. And that is there ultimate aim more than anything it would appear.

    If you bought, say, Fiorentina, and got them not only into the CL but the latter stages, you've got good money coming in and also a really strong local support. Equally players that want to play in Italy would most likely come to your club, because other clubs may not be as attractive. Biggest fish, medium sized pond.

    In England you could be one of seven competing to get into the CL and, if you're not in the CL, you're not likely to get that global following anywhere near as easily.
  • Syrette 13 Oct 2013 11:52:48 41,932 posts
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    arials101 wrote:
    Thiago Ilori plays for Portugal u21s, but he's another player that Uncle Woy has targeted for the England set up.
    That sounds about right - if you play for Liverpool you seem to get fasttracked into the England side, regardless of whether you're actually good enough/there are better alternatives elsewhere (albeit at smaller clubs).

    To be fair, Hodgson does like Rickie Lambert but he's an obvious choice. I'd like to know why Sterling is a better option than the likes of Redmond. If we're going on current form, there's no competition (Sterling can't even get into the Liverpool side atm). Unless this is a still a political thing to stop him playing for Jamaica.

  • The-Bodybuilder 13 Oct 2013 11:53:56 13,637 posts
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    As an investor, you really don't want the risk of your club being assisted with the racism and ultra of buying an Italian club.

    Truth is the PL alone would give them the visibility they need. CL is added bonus.

    Wouldn't mind them trying, just to see it being a monumental fail.
    West Ham would surely be the most viable, decent London support (though nearly equal to the Italian ultras), new world class stadium soon, and space for a new training ground (they bloody need it).

    Personally I think they have a better chance of convincing a smaller London based club to give up their history to become Red Bull FC 2. Charlton would be a great shout.
  • The-Bodybuilder 13 Oct 2013 11:55:33 13,637 posts
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    Who's Redmond?
  • arials101 13 Oct 2013 12:00:58 852 posts
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    Their ultimate aim above anything else is fulfilling a marketing strategy based around owning successful well known sporting "franchises". If they're looking to promote themselves in Africa, Asia or pretty much any other international market then ruining an English team gives them better marketing potential because English teams are more widely followed supported and engaged with.

    Qualifying for the Champions League would give them the image of being prestigious, doing it with an English club will get them the global fanbase, rather than just the Italian one. Similarly their MLS team is based in New York and they have a big interest in F1.
  • Syrette 13 Oct 2013 12:04:11 41,932 posts
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    They should buy Cardiff, can't be any worse than Tan.

  • arials101 13 Oct 2013 12:11:21 852 posts
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    The-Bodybuilder wrote:
    Who's Redmond?
    He's a winger who plays for Norwich. England seem to have quite a lot of young options in that position - him, Sterling, Ibe, The Ox, Zaha..

    Center Back seems to be the weakest position in terms of young british players, managers take less risks in that position, people like Andre Wisdom are struggling to get opportunities to develop.

    Syrette wrote:
    arials101 wrote:
    Thiago Ilori plays for Portugal u21s, but he's another player that Uncle Woy has targeted for the England set up.
    That sounds about right - if you play for Liverpool you seem to get fasttracked into the England side, regardless of whether you're actually good enough/there are better alternatives elsewhere (albeit at smaller clubs).

    I'd like to know why Sterling is a better option than the likes of Redmond. If we're going on current form, there's no competition (Sterling can't even get into the Liverpool side atm). Unless this is a still a political thing to stop him playing for Jamaica.
    I'm sure Henderson agrees with you about playing for Liverpool fast tracking you into the England side... it's not as if there are many Man U reserves lurking around the squad.

    I'm sure Sterling's debut was pretty political, although he was in a good run of form at the time.

    However right now the only right back in the England squad has got himself suspended for the next match. Sterling played the full match against Palace at RWB just before the international break and he's covered RB a couple times as well, so I'm sure that is why he's been called up. England don't need extra cover on the wing or in central midfield, so Cleverly's injury has been used to cover for Kyle Walker being an idiot.

    Edited by arials101 at 12:13:43 13-10-2013
  • Shikasama 13 Oct 2013 12:19:51 6,288 posts
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    Won't be long before Jenkinson boots Walker from the international team.

    Honestly on current form (and most of last season) Walker shouldn't be in the Spurs team.
  • Tom_Servo 13 Oct 2013 12:28:45 15,604 posts
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    I really thought Spurs would buy new RB/LBs. Walker and Rose are so clearly the weak link whenever I've seen Spurs play.

    Walker in particular drives me mad. Constantly caught up the park, slow to get back... he reminds me of Alan Hutton a bit, minus the crazy tackles.
  • President_Weasel 13 Oct 2013 12:30:40 8,604 posts
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    I thought Jenkinson was Finnish?
  • Syrette 13 Oct 2013 12:32:05 41,932 posts
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    Rose was outstanding for Sunderland last season, I think he's got a massive future ahead of him.

  • askew 13 Oct 2013 12:37:43 11,473 posts
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    President_Weasel wrote:
    I thought Jenkinson was Finnish?
    He's got some background there, but got his England cap earlier this year.
  • morriss 13 Oct 2013 12:40:11 70,771 posts
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    Tom_Servo wrote:
    I really thought Spurs would buy new RB/LBs. Walker and Rose are so clearly the weak link whenever I've seen Spurs play.

    Walker in particular drives me mad. Constantly caught up the park, slow to get back... he reminds me of Alan Hutton a bit, minus the crazy tackles.
    Yeah, easily our weakest area. I'd rather play Kaboul at RB and Vertonghen at LB, tbh.
  • arials101 13 Oct 2013 12:42:49 852 posts
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    Shikasama wrote:
    Won't be long before Jenkinson boots Walker from the international team.
    As soon as he's back from injury Glen Johnson will boot Walker out of the England team. He may not be Ashley Cole, but his replacement has only strengthened his position as England's best right back. Jenkinson is a more long term option, not sure how much Hodgson fancies him much though.
  • TheSaint 13 Oct 2013 13:34:30 13,659 posts
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    You know things are bad if Johnson is considered the best right back we've got. He shouldn't have been allowed any near the England team after his performance in the last Euros.
  • Dougs 13 Oct 2013 14:17:15 64,988 posts
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    askew wrote:
    President_Weasel wrote:
    I thought Jenkinson was Finnish?
    He's got some background there, but got his England cap earlier this year.
    His Mum is Finnish and he played for their U21s, but England bussed him in for some meaningless friendly. I think he'll be considered in a year or two but shouldn't be until he displaces Sagna, who has started the season in storming form.

    Also agree re Walker, never looks up to it to me.
  • Mr_Sleep 13 Oct 2013 14:26:26 16,283 posts
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    It's a shame Lowton started the season in bad form, he was brilliant during the last ten games of last season and would not have looked out of place in the England side.

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  • Syrette 13 Oct 2013 14:51:12 41,932 posts
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    @TheSaint

    I'd like to see Lallana get a more regular place in the England set-up. I really rate him and more importantly, he's done well for my FF team in the last two gameweeks.

  • TheSaint 13 Oct 2013 16:00:53 13,659 posts
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    Yeah I said a couple of pages back that I think he'll be in the squad before too long. Probably not ready for it yet but a good prospect for the future.
  • Trowel 13 Oct 2013 21:22:36 16,892 posts
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    Good piece here on [link url=http://www.violett-weiss.at/img/20060113FSF.pdf]"the murder of Austria
    Salzburg by pan-European drinks giants, Red Bull"[/link]
  • Trowel 13 Oct 2013 21:23:35 16,892 posts
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    FFS, they're really killed the hyperlinking on here haven't they:

    http://www.violett-weiss.at/img/20060113FSF.pdf
  • RichieTenenbaum 13 Oct 2013 21:38:42 2,164 posts
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    Trowel wrote:
    FFS, they're really killed the hyperlinking on here haven't they:

    http://www.violett-weiss.at/img/20060113FSF.pdf
    Great article. Cheers
  • Psychotext 14 Oct 2013 21:53:33 52,825 posts
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    Got invited to watch Chelsea vs Cardiff next weekend.

    Any particularly good way to get there (from the West) on match day? I want to drive most of the way but I'm assuming it's probably a good idea to swap to the tube or something at some point.
  • cheeky_prawnking 14 Oct 2013 22:03:48 3,821 posts
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    Where are you coming from? Trains from reading go to Putney usually most Chelsea fans get off there. Will be about an hour on the train I would think.
  • robc84 14 Oct 2013 22:05:59 4,420 posts
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    morriss wrote:
    Tom_Servo wrote:
    I really thought Spurs would buy new RB/LBs. Walker and Rose are so clearly the weak link whenever I've seen Spurs play.

    Walker in particular drives me mad. Constantly caught up the park, slow to get back... he reminds me of Alan Hutton a bit, minus the crazy tackles.
    Yeah, easily our weakest area. I'd rather play Kaboul at RB and Vertonghen at LB, tbh.
    Kaboul did a great job a couple of seasons back at rb. Thing is, he is arguably our best cb when fit so seems a waste to stick him on the right. Similar with verts. Walker has potential but needs to work on his defensive game. Wouldn't mind naughton given a few games at rb just to give walker a kick up the backside.

    Jury still out on rose, although again, the potential seems to be there. We need strengthening in that area though no doubt.
  • FWB 14 Oct 2013 22:09:33 42,080 posts
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    M4 into West London, park, District line? Chiswick has free parking Saturday and the pubs are nice around there if you want to do something afterwards.
  • Psychotext 14 Oct 2013 22:14:28 52,825 posts
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    Cheers both. Either option is an improvement on 6 hours on a train. Would much rather be driving.
  • Mr_Sleep 14 Oct 2013 22:25:29 16,283 posts
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    The district line that Putney and Fulham are on is the Wimbledon branch, so Chiswick may not be a good fit. Getting on to the Wimbledon branch of the district line or the train to Fulham would be a better option imo.

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