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  • President_Weasel 17 May 2013 20:41:38 9,479 posts
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    RedSparrows wrote:
    Ronaldo at Chelsea would mean i only had to direct my hatred in one direction. Saves me effort.
    The more I think about this the more sense it makes.
  • IMO 17 May 2013 20:44:30 5,697 posts
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    Ronaldo at Chelsea would start an implosion of epic proportions.

    RAFA, SIGN HIM UP...etc

    Edited by IMO at 20:44:51 17-05-2013
  • President_Weasel 17 May 2013 20:51:25 9,479 posts
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    President_Weasel wrote:
    Is Kenwyne Jones a muslim or something?
    Oh, apparently he's a rastafarian and therefore does not dig on swine.

    Many rastafari are vegetarians or follow some version of the Mosaic dietary law from the Bible. Thanks, Wikipedia.

    If some Stoke player had left a pig's head in a Jew's or Muslim's locker they'd be getting investigated for religious hatred; they should find out whoever did this and throw the book at them. (Mainly for playing for Stoke)
  • kentmonkey 17 May 2013 20:54:48 20,794 posts
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    President_Weasel wrote:
    President_Weasel wrote:
    Is Kenwyne Jones a muslim or something?
    Oh, apparently he's a rastafarian and therefore does not dig on swine.

    Many rastafari are vegetarians or follow some version of the Mosaic dietary law from the Bible. Thanks, Wikipedia.

    If some Stoke player had left a pig's head in a Jew's or Muslim's locker they'd be getting investigated for religious hatred; they should find out whoever did this and throw the book at them. (Mainly for playing for Stoke)
    They'd have to find a towel first.
  • King_Edward 17 May 2013 21:02:00 11,459 posts
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    Waddle was no Beckham. Currrrazzzzy talk.
  • superdelphinus 17 May 2013 21:08:12 8,089 posts
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    Good copa del rey developing now
  • JYM60 17 May 2013 22:19:53 16,859 posts
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    Waddle just jealous of his hair.

    [8/10] http://www.youtube.com/lllBetterThanHalolll

  • Dougs 17 May 2013 22:37:07 68,524 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    It's sort of the subtext to what he said.

    You're massively underrating Waddle there btw. He was an incredible player. Different to Beckham but arguably as good.

    It's fairly obvious where the bitterness lies though. Waddle's career will always be defined by being England's pariah, whereas Beckham has achieved saintly status at international level. And neither is really that justified to be quite honest.
    He was immensely talented, no doubt, but I don't think he had the application Beckham had, which is what elevated Beckham. Different times, so maybe I'm behind unfair (see also Hoddle, who as a player I loved), but Beckham had more influence and was able to run a game. Waddle was mercurial, flitting in and out of games. Remember watching Waddle on the Shelf in his first season (brother is a Spurs fan and took me lots), always got a right kicking. Even as a kid it seemed a little unfair as he was obviously a quality player.
  • RedSparrows 17 May 2013 22:48:49 23,421 posts
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    Waddle's 1000 player thing is silly exaggeration. But do I think Beckham hype is stupid? Damn straight. Good player, but not sure he's quite worth the hype. He's cultivated himself well.
  • Shikasama 17 May 2013 22:59:27 7,008 posts
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    The thing about all of the Beckham stuff is that the whole 'Is he really THAT good?' just didn't happen when he was playing in England.

    I really strongly suspect that there is a very large element of 'Football outside of the Premiership isn't football' revisionism that goes on when he is discussed.
  • Deckard1 17 May 2013 23:00:14 28,764 posts
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    Was he a great? Probably not, but he's still probably the best striker of the ball this country has ever produced. Waddles comment is fucking stupid to be honest.
  • Youthist 17 May 2013 23:11:39 10,028 posts
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    Waddle was good, but no Beckham. And Waddle always put a good turn in for England. Christ, we would gobble him up now. In a football way, of course.

    Beckham was an extremely good player and the master at putting the ball where it needed to go. And of course, the Greece game.

    Think of how stupid the average person is, and realise half of them are stupider than that

  • ecu 18 May 2013 01:22:54 77,088 posts
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    Beckham was absolutely sensational for United, that Waddle comment is absurd. His celebrity began to overwhelm the fact that he was a fantastic footballer. Here's all 85 of his United goals. Worth a watch even if you're not a United fan I reckon.
  • kalel 18 May 2013 07:39:16 88,510 posts
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    It's obvious what Waddle is getting at. Beckham will probably be remembered as a great over the likes of say Scholes or Giggs, and he wasn't as good as either. That's what he's trying to say, and it's true.

    He's gone about making the point in a very stupid way though. plus he's obviously massively bitter.
  • Youthist 18 May 2013 07:53:03 10,028 posts
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    Beckham was better than Giggs IMO when we look at both of them at their peak years. Not sure I can compare easily Scholes vs Beckham peak years though.

    Think of how stupid the average person is, and realise half of them are stupider than that

  • kalel 18 May 2013 08:08:20 88,510 posts
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    Youthist wrote:
    Beckham was better than Giggs IMO when we look at both of them at their peak years. Not sure I can compare easily Scholes vs Beckham peak years though.
    Nah, not even close for me. Gigg's had an all-round natural footballing ability that goes way beyond Beckham's.

    It's hard with Beckham because he may well have been the best at one specific skill ever seen, but I still don't think that elevates him above someone like Giggs who was such a brilliant footballer.
  • grey_matters 18 May 2013 08:18:49 3,804 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    Youthist wrote:
    Beckham was better than Giggs IMO when we look at both of them at their peak years. Not sure I can compare easily Scholes vs Beckham peak years though.
    Nah, not even close for me. Gigg's had an all-round natural footballing ability that goes way beyond Beckham's.

    It's hard with Beckham because he may well have been the best at one specific skill ever seen, but I still don't think that elevates him above someone like Giggs who was such a brilliant footballer.
    Yep, same for me. Not even sure it elevates him above Denis Irwin to be honest.
  • PazJohnMitch 18 May 2013 08:42:19 8,409 posts
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    Beckham might have been awesome at curving freekicks but the likes of Ronaldo (and to a lesser extent Bale) have found ways to exploit current football designs by simply striking the ball hard and almost without spin. This makes their freekicks even more unpredictable for the keepers as the ball suddenly shifts sideways.
  • beastmaster 18 May 2013 08:45:31 11,652 posts
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    Any surprises today then?

    The Resident Evil films. I'm one of the reasons they keep making them.

  • PazJohnMitch 18 May 2013 08:46:51 8,409 posts
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    If we go through the ages and list every great player world wide I suspect Beckham really is not in the top 1000.

    The BBC News channel did a report on a Ghana player that played in Europe in the 1800s that sounds like he might have made Messi look ordinary.
  • kalel 18 May 2013 08:55:07 88,510 posts
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    40 years, not "through the ages".
  • kalel 18 May 2013 08:56:00 88,510 posts
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    beastmaster wrote:
    Any surprises today then?
    Literally anything woul be a surprise today.
  • King_Edward 18 May 2013 09:01:48 11,459 posts
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    Waddle said "Prem" didn't he? I reckon Becks would get into the top 50 or so. He's one of the best players, at easily the best team in "Premier League historylol".
  • kalel 18 May 2013 09:02:59 88,510 posts
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    No, he said 40 years.
  • Youthist 18 May 2013 09:57:20 10,028 posts
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    PazJohnMitch wrote:
    Beckham might have been awesome at curving freekicks but the likes of Ronaldo (and to a lesser extent Bale) have found ways to exploit current football designs by simply striking the ball hard and almost without spin. This makes their freekicks even more unpredictable for the keepers as the ball suddenly shifts sideways.
    To say he just took free kicks is pretty laughable to be honest. His crossing ability was the best in the world for a while, and his range of passing was better than anyone around bar a few in europe at the time.

    Giggs was altogether different, he could dribble and pick a pass but couldn't shoot or cross it like beckham.

    Think of how stupid the average person is, and realise half of them are stupider than that

  • roz123 18 May 2013 10:01:55 7,113 posts
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    Pretty unexciting day of football considering its the Saturday right in the middle of the final couple of weeks.

    It's the final day of Bundesliga and the big game is Freiburg vs Schalke. Schalke are one point above Freiburg in the final CL spot
  • kalel 18 May 2013 10:12:09 88,510 posts
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    "Passing" was more Beckham's skill than specifically "crossing". Yes, he did an amazing cross, but it was just an extension of his ability to put it on a sixpence from anywhere. Same goes for his shooting/free kicks really. He was just exceedingly accurate.

    The thing that he could do regularly that is incredibly hard, was the very deep cross/pass, which swung in very late. It meant he could effectively cross it from as deep as the halfway line. Almost impossible technique and an absolute nightmare for keepers as they inevitably end up in no-man's land when they come to get it then realise they can't. Ruud use to score loads off that ball.

    Very specialist stuff, and that sums up Beckham really. He was the ultimate specialist player. He worked hard at the rest of the game and ended up being a very proficient all-round footballer due to his dedication which was admirable, but it was really that unique passing ability that elevated him to world-class. Most players in that bracket get there because they are multi-faceted.
  • nickthegun 18 May 2013 10:25:49 60,607 posts
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    I remember reading an interview with becks *years* ago just as he was breaking through in FHM or similar, taken during a kickabout.

    The interviewer himself was a keen Rolls Royce Engineers FC level player and he was saying that the level of power and precision becks put into the ball was astonishing.

    When he passed becks the ball he really had to concentrate but when becks passed it back, it arrived like a thunderbolt with him barely backlifiting.

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    He's not a wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am, he's a thriller

  • Shikasama 18 May 2013 10:34:08 7,008 posts
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    Think you just hit it on the head kalel.

    Beckham wasn't the type of midfielder that is going to skin 4 guys then nutmeg the keeper and unfortunately for a lot of people that is all the criteria that applies for the term 'world class' or for special recognition.

    Scholes suffers from the same thing, as does every bloody defender.
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