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  • captbirdseye 10 Apr 2013 13:33:14 5,107 posts
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    Shikasama wrote:
    Horrific.

    It's bad when you can only correlate 'atmosphere' with 'hatred'. Maybe you just used an example that exaggerates what you really mean.
    I think I used the wrong term and should've used 'healthy rivalry' instead as hatred is pretty strong word.

    Most of our rivalry is pretty friendly now and still creates those memorable nights without getting out of hand like the bad old days. The majority of morons have been banned or jailed.

    Please note that we're family club of the year...twice! :D

    Edited by captbirdseye at 13:35:40 10-04-2013
  • Shikasama 10 Apr 2013 13:35:20 6,980 posts
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    As a fantastic example of how to create an atmosphere without resorting to bile filled knobends hurling abuse at the people in the different coloured shirts:

    http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/borussia-dortmunds-amazing-tifo-pre-malaga-match-pictures-video/

    Amazing!
  • captbirdseye 10 Apr 2013 13:38:47 5,107 posts
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    @Shikasama

    I was actually gonna post this as an example. Most German games have pretty decent atmospheres that are a million miles away from ours.

    Sooner standing areas come back the better, but that's a seperate discussion.
  • kalel 10 Apr 2013 13:46:31 88,450 posts
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    Specific rivalries will always arise, and when they do those games will have a greater level of importance and competitiveness. That makes them more exciting games - I honestly think this is inarguable fact.

    Nobody is really saying the actual hate and bile and violence that can come with that is a good thing, but it's hard to draw the line exactly where the former becomes the latter.
  • captbirdseye 10 Apr 2013 13:54:20 5,107 posts
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    You only have to look at Millwall when they play Leeds as a perfect example of when banter totally crosses the line.

    Edited by captbirdseye at 13:54:44 10-04-2013
  • IMO 10 Apr 2013 13:54:33 5,695 posts
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    Best atmosphere I've ever experienced was 80,000 people in one voice, booing Sepp Blatter.


    /wipes away tear
  • kentmonkey 10 Apr 2013 13:55:31 20,771 posts
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    I agree that rivalry and banter can make or break atmosphere. However having a view that players can't swear due to the effect on kids but fans can be abusive because it's just male bravado is conflicting to me. If fans think players should be role models perhaps they should be more aware of the people around them when they 'male bravado' it up.

    I don't think games should be happy clappy but it's also far too easy to blame players for their conduct and not worry about whether our own is frightening or offending others.

    Is it the players behaviour affecting fans or kids or vice versa. Mixture of both for me.

    Edited by kentmonkey at 14:00:01 10-04-2013
  • Deckard1 10 Apr 2013 13:59:17 28,737 posts
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    After all the "banter" I heard as a child, I remember the first time I met someone who was from Sunderland, I was expecting some hideous sweaty inbred goon, with soft teeth and a swollen watery head, and for him to be molesting a small child right in front of me. Needless to say I wasn't disappointed.
  • kalel 10 Apr 2013 14:02:16 88,450 posts
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    Again, I think what we're really saying here is that some people are dicks.
  • roz123 10 Apr 2013 15:22:47 7,113 posts
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    Germany has its fair share of cunt fans like everywhere else in Europe
  • roz123 10 Apr 2013 15:33:06 7,113 posts
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    Wigan Athletic have so far failed to sell at least 10,000 of their allocated tickets for Saturday's FA Cup semi-final against Millwall. This has prompted the FA to take the unprecedented step of opening a zone for neutral fans. Both clubs were allocated just over 31,000 tickets for the game.
    I quite like Martinez but I would rather see a team with supporters in the premier league

    Edited by roz123 at 15:34:05 10-04-2013
  • roz123 10 Apr 2013 15:43:58 7,113 posts
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    I'm not defending having the semis at Wembley because they shouldn't be but 21,000 would still not be enough if it was at Old Trafford
  • nickthegun 10 Apr 2013 15:58:46 60,477 posts
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    Im not massively into the whole 'hatred' thing but I do like a good rivalry.

    Things like those pussified 'friendship' scarves like, for example, the MAN CITY/MAN U ones being sold on monday deserve to be burned. What kind of gaylord buys one of those?

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  • Shikasama 10 Apr 2013 16:00:55 6,980 posts
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    It's not their fault they are a) based where they are based and b) still predominantly a rugby town.

    Comments like that are frankly ridiculous roz.
  • roz123 10 Apr 2013 16:16:35 7,113 posts
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    Its not a ridiculous comment, there are probably at least 20 teams playing in the lower divisions who would bring along a better away support to Stamford Bridge each year and would make it a more entertaining game to go to. All the other teams scrapping for survival certainly would.
  • kalel 10 Apr 2013 16:26:37 88,450 posts
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    Considering Chelsea had empty seats at the FA Cup final last season, this is a bit of a glass house situation.
  • SuperCoolEskimo 10 Apr 2013 16:33:13 9,936 posts
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    Even more so if you consider Chelsea would have as many fans as Wigan and would be in a lower division if it wasn't for Abramovich.

    For a club cushioned by a billion pounds of someone else's money, Chelsea fans are very quick to judge everyone else.
  • nickthegun 10 Apr 2013 16:38:28 60,477 posts
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    Gray is spot on, though. The semis really shouldnt be played at wembley. Villa Park and the like are perfect for a game like this.

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  • kalel 10 Apr 2013 16:39:31 88,450 posts
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    Yeah, Wembley should only be used for the games where it makes sense as neutral ground, like Spurs V Arsenal. And the final of course.
  • Ka-blamo 10 Apr 2013 16:44:58 7,471 posts
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    roz123 wrote:
    Its not a ridiculous comment, there are probably at least 20 teams playing in the lower divisions who would bring along a better away support to Stamford Bridge each year and would make it a more entertaining game to go to. All the other teams scrapping for survival certainly would.
    I agree, I see Wigan as taking up a valuable place in the premierleague that all the teams in the Championship would kill for and bring 10x the support and passion and great things to their respect towns/cities.

    Obviously it's not Wigan FC's fault that it's a Rugby town and the support isn't there and they deserve to be there I suppose, but I don't want them there.
  • nickthegun 10 Apr 2013 16:53:07 60,477 posts
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    Ka-blamo wrote:
    I agree, I see Wigan as taking up a valuable place in the premierleague that all the teams in the Championship would kill for and bring 10x the support and passion and great things to their respect towns/cities.
    Thats quite plainly shite, even as a supporter of a team that would probably qualify for the prem on your criteria.

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  • The-Bodybuilder 10 Apr 2013 16:53:31 14,284 posts
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    I hate Stoke.
  • nickthegun 10 Apr 2013 16:54:20 60,477 posts
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    You would never have guessed.

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  • kalel 10 Apr 2013 16:57:41 88,450 posts
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    I think I made this point about Stoke before (or it might have been COYS), but despite hating them, I think the PL would miss them.

    They're one of the few lower table teams that are absolutely guaranteed to take points off the top ones over the course of the season, and that is really important in terms of keeping the league competitive.
  • nickthegun 10 Apr 2013 17:02:58 60,477 posts
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    They were. The useless cunts cant even do that properly now.

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  • Shikasama 10 Apr 2013 17:33:17 6,980 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    Ka-blamo wrote:
    I agree, I see Wigan as taking up a valuable place in the premierleague that all the teams in the Championship would kill for and bring 10x the support and passion and great things to their respect towns/cities.
    Thats quite plainly shite, even as a supporter of a team that would probably qualify for the prem on your criteria.
    Yep, utter, utter bollocks.
  • Shikasama 10 Apr 2013 17:34:33 6,980 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    They're one of the few lower table teams that are absolutely guaranteed to take points off the top ones over the course of the season, and that is really important in terms of keeping the league competitive.
    This is what I find quite interesting about them. If they were actually relegated, despite their ability to get good result sin Premiership, I'm not convinced they'd get automatic promotion the next season.
  • Humperfunk 10 Apr 2013 17:35:18 2,289 posts
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    Love me a bit of Stoke, just for the laughs at how upset people get by them.

    PSN, XBL & NNID: Wedjwants

  • SuperCoolEskimo 10 Apr 2013 17:38:19 9,936 posts
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    Stoke are bankrolled by the family who own bet365 so if they did go down, I'm pretty sure they'd be back up soon enough.
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