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  • Dougs 26 Mar 2013 07:53:36 68,377 posts
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    Probably but I guess when you're out of work, you just want to get back into it.

    Halsey dropped from the PL this week after missing that tackle. Seems harsh to me, he admitted he didn't see it as a player was in the way. The lino was the one that "saw a coming together". No idea if he survived though.
  • Shikasama 26 Mar 2013 08:47:18 6,958 posts
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    I don't know if he would have been looking at another Premiership job, Reading seems about right to me.

    A managers best chance at moving up the ladder is getting a team promoted and doing well a la Brent and Lambert. It's difficult to get sacked from a relegation candidate and expect a promotion, despite success in previous leagues.

    Not to be down on Adkins (don't know much about him beyond his success with Southampton) but thats just the way it is.
  • kalel 26 Mar 2013 08:53:11 88,357 posts
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    He might have been in the running for a "bigger" job like Villa or Newcastle or West Ham eventually, but yeah, I don't think Reading is massively underselling himself.
  • kalel 26 Mar 2013 08:54:07 88,357 posts
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    Dougs wrote:
    Halsey dropped from the PL this week after missing that tackle. Seems harsh to me, he admitted he didn't see it as a player was in the way. The lino was the one that "saw a coming together". No idea if he survived though.
    Are we sure it isn't just a "total coincidence and just his turn" like that other time when it blatantly wasn't that.
  • Dougs 26 Mar 2013 09:01:41 68,377 posts
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    Dunno, that's how the papers are reporting it though. Entirely possible.
  • nickthegun 26 Mar 2013 09:20:00 60,423 posts
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    Yeah, I didnt think refs got 'dropped' like that.

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  • nickthegun 26 Mar 2013 09:21:13 60,423 posts
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    Or am I thinking of the old 'busted down to the rymans' cliche..?

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  • President_Weasel 26 Mar 2013 09:48:41 9,450 posts
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    graysonavich wrote:
    I thought the ref was basically the manager of his 2 linos, so if they fuck up, it works its way up teh chain...
    But he's not in charge of training them, and if it was physically possible for him to constantly supervise their performance then he wouldn't actually need them. The whole point is that they have different viewpoints and sightlines than he does.
  • Dougs 26 Mar 2013 09:53:03 68,377 posts
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    It's definitely happened before. The trouble is, the top refs are salaried so all they lose is face.
  • Shikasama 26 Mar 2013 10:06:51 6,958 posts
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    You have to wonder how helpful it is to publicly punish a ref like that. Gives every manager and player a reason to ignore them etc.
  • TheSaint 26 Mar 2013 13:13:38 14,602 posts
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    Bit of a slow day so how about F365's list of most over-capped England players:

    http://www.football365.com/topical-top-10/8597783/Top-Ten
  • Shikasama 26 Mar 2013 13:17:49 6,958 posts
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    This looks like another opportunity for me to rant about Le Tis' lack of England caps.
  • kalel 26 Mar 2013 13:18:44 88,357 posts
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    Shikasama wrote:
    You have to wonder how helpful it is to publicly punish a ref like that. Gives every manager and player a reason to ignore them etc.
    Especially as it is literally impossible for referees not to make "mistakes".

    There's so much focus on their errors these days that we've actually forgotten why we have them - because it's better than not having them,. They were never intended to be total and absolute arbiters of justice on the pitch, because that simply can't happen.

    We should be grateful for the what they get right (which is frankly the vast majority of decisions) and stop being so myopic about what they get wrong. And keep looking for more ways to help them and make an impossible job slightly easier.
  • kalel 26 Mar 2013 13:19:53 88,357 posts
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    TheSaint wrote:
    Bit of a slow day so how about F365's list of most over-capped England players:

    http://www.football365.com/topical-top-10/8597783/Top-Ten
    It's a bit retarded. You can only moan about how many caps a player gets if they are keeping a better player out.

    In the case of Defoe, I'm rather him than Bobby Zamora or whoever.
  • TheSaint 26 Mar 2013 13:30:37 14,602 posts
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    Just saw the Reading press conference. Bit depressing to hear all those old clichés rolled out but referring to another team. His first home game is against Saints as well so that'll be an interesting atmosphere.
  • kalel 26 Mar 2013 13:34:32 88,357 posts
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    How on earth did Bridge rack up so many appearances? Leighton Baines is a far better option than Bridge ever was and yet the Everton full-back has only managed to reach 14 caps while playing during Cole's twilight years.

    This article was written by a moron.
  • kalel 26 Mar 2013 13:40:32 88,357 posts
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    If the article was skewed towards "how shit must England be if x players get y caps" then yeah, that would be a point. That's not his point though.
  • Shikasama 26 Mar 2013 13:43:37 6,958 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    Shikasama wrote:
    You have to wonder how helpful it is to publicly punish a ref like that. Gives every manager and player a reason to ignore them etc.
    Especially as it is literally impossible for referees not to make "mistakes".

    There's so much focus on their errors these days that we've actually forgotten why we have them - because it's better than not having them,. They were never intended to be total and absolute arbiters of justice on the pitch, because that simply can't happen.

    We should be grateful for the what they get right (which is frankly the vast majority of decisions) and stop being so myopic about what they get wrong. And keep looking for more ways to help them and make an impossible job slightly easier.
    It's offside decisions and people complaining about close calls either way that gets me. I don't think people understand that a human being calling an offisde correctly 100% of the time is patently absurd. You're asking a linesman to be looking at two different things at the same time.

    It's always a cross between what the linesman sees and what their experience tells them.
  • kalel 26 Mar 2013 13:45:56 88,357 posts
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    I actually find it amazing how many very close offside calls they do seem to get right. They're very good generally.
  • TheSaint 26 Mar 2013 13:46:09 14,602 posts
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    Bridge looked a better prospect than Cole at one point but I seem to remember he was sidelined for a long time with a nasty injury and wasn't the same player when he came back.

    Some people seem to really hate him though.
  • Shikasama 26 Mar 2013 13:49:21 6,958 posts
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    I used to be a big fan of Bridge before he retired and decided to pork Frankie Sandford full time.

    Apparently that's a wrong choice 0.0
  • Trowel 26 Mar 2013 13:51:42 17,903 posts
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    Mourinho on Chelsea: "Chelsea is in my heart... One day I have to be back"
  • kalel 26 Mar 2013 13:51:59 88,357 posts
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    I think Bridge showed a slightly loathsome lack of ambition at Chelsea basically. He seemed very content to sit on the bench week after week and collect wages.

    Some comedian once describe him as "golf's Wayne Bridge".
  • Shikasama 26 Mar 2013 13:55:44 6,958 posts
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    The thing is, if you aren't being picked what can you do?

    It's weird. Fans get annoyed when a player who isn't being played turns up to training and sits on the sub bench. Then they get annoyed if a play starts agitating for a move through lack of game time.

    We're very inconsistent with our outrage sometimes.
  • kalel 26 Mar 2013 13:58:19 88,357 posts
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    I never begrudge underused players for wanting to leave personally. Krancjar, Pienaar and the like all went with my blessing.

    I think in the case of Bridge, when you're that highly rated it's even more frustrating.

    And also in the case of Bridge, I think he was literally playing golf on match days.
  • Shikasama 26 Mar 2013 13:59:55 6,958 posts
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    ...yeah, that's pretty fair then
  • imamazed 26 Mar 2013 14:00:18 5,784 posts
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    @Shikasama I think Macini actually said once that Bridge had had offers to play elsewhere but had chosen to stay and not play because of his contract. He was even reluctant to go on loan initially. You can't blame him financially; there's no way he'd earn as much anywhere else, but he certainly wasn't "agitating for a move through lack of game time".
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