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  • nickthegun 21 Mar 2013 11:20:42 58,784 posts
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    I suppose the ancillary question is: Should Redknapp have been aware that the club couldnt sustain the level of spending he was asking for?

    Maybe he should but he was hired to manage the team not the books. It was up to mandaric to say 'no, fuck off'.

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  • kalel 21 Mar 2013 11:21:32 86,344 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    Rednknapp was in charge of the clubs finances? News to me.
    And even if he were (which he obviously was not), you'd blame whoever put him in charge.

    You don't give a child your car keys and them blame him when he crashes.
  • Shikasama 21 Mar 2013 11:22:45 6,605 posts
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    Or your dog
  • Ultrasoundwave 21 Mar 2013 11:24:46 3,264 posts
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    At the end of the day, Harry wasnt signing the cheques.

    Using Crouch as an example, Harry would have gone to Mandaric and said, word for word : "Oi oi saveloy, i'm finkin' about getting the lanky bastard crouch back 'ere, can we afford the mucka???"

    Manadaric simply should have said no and lined up cheaper players.

    "The worst part is, I'll have to have the break-up sex with myself!"

  • faux_carnation 21 Mar 2013 11:28:28 9,051 posts
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    That's all well and good, but the fact it's happened repeatedly with him at different clubs (Bournemouth, West Ham, Southampton, Portsmouth) does smell fishy to me.
  • TheSaint 21 Mar 2013 11:29:29 14,200 posts
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    IMO it was fairly obvious to even the casual observer that they were spending far beyond their means. If he had the affinity to the club that he likes to make out then he should have had his head a bit more screwed on regarding the overall finances.

    Amongst the good signings he also brought some real shit for them that they couldn't shift and cost them a fortune.
  • Dougs 21 Mar 2013 11:30:20 66,670 posts
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    Haha, Rio really doesn't help himself:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/mar/21/rio-ferdinand-qatar-england-fitness-hodgson
  • TheSaint 21 Mar 2013 11:30:24 14,200 posts
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    As much as I dislike the guy the only contribution he made to our eventual administration was getting us relegated.
  • Youthist 21 Mar 2013 11:33:09 10,010 posts
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    It is all a coincidence and not his fault. And I am the one looking foolish?!

    I do love the old "'arry defence" because he did OK at Tottenham from a footballing standpoint (until they woke up and realised they had to get rid of him because they had a crook in charge).

    But to continuously make him exempt from responsibility from all the clubs he has put into the toilet is blinkered beyond belief.

    Think of how stupid the average person is, and realise half of them are stupider than that

  • kalel 21 Mar 2013 11:33:56 86,344 posts
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    faux_carnation wrote:
    That's all well and good, but the fact it's happened repeatedly with him at different clubs (Bournemouth, West Ham, Southampton, Portsmouth) does smell fishy to me.
    Hang on, he left both Bournemouth and West Ham in significantly better shape than when he came in. What's happened to them since has nothing to do with him at all.

    I notice that nobody seems to be crediting Harry with Spurs's current brilliant financial situation...
  • roz123 21 Mar 2013 11:36:25 7,112 posts
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    "I can get you John Utaku, not for 200,000, not for 150,000, no. For you, this week only, one John Utaku for 80,000 a week and I will throw in this state of the art mobile phone" As the chairman would say "I'm not sure we can afford it, Harry" and reach for the calculator, Redknapp would put his arm around his shoulder pull him away and say "He who dares my son, he who dares"
  • kalel 21 Mar 2013 11:38:08 86,344 posts
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    Youthist wrote:
    It is all a coincidence and not his fault. And I am the one looking foolish?!

    I do love the old "'arry defence" because he did OK at Tottenham from a footballing standpoint (until they woke up and realised they had to get rid of him because they had a crook in charge).

    But to continuously make him exempt from responsibility from all the clubs he has put into the toilet is blinkered beyond belief.
    There is literally only one club that there is any debate over whether he "put them in the toilet" and that is Portsmouth. Even Saint concedes he had nothing to with what happened at Southampton, and as above, he left Bournemouth and West Ham in better states than when he found them.

    At worst he shares the (significantly) smaller portion of responsibility with Mandaric for what happened at Pompey, and that's it. To paint him as a serial club destroyer does indeed make you look foolish.

    Edited by kalel at 11:42:25 21-03-2013
  • imamazed 21 Mar 2013 11:38:44 5,520 posts
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    @roz123 Apparently it was more like 30k...

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/portsmouth/8519800.stm

    Even so, the transfer fee was high iirc

    Edited by imamazed at 11:39:02 21-03-2013
  • kalel 21 Mar 2013 11:39:47 86,344 posts
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    imamazed wrote:
    @roz123 Apparently it was more like 30k...

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/portsmouth/8519800.stm

    Even so, the transfer fee was high iirc
    Come on now, let's not let facts get in the way of a good Harry-bash.

    7m fee btw.

    Edited by kalel at 11:40:19 21-03-2013
  • Ultrasoundwave 21 Mar 2013 11:41:08 3,264 posts
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    Dougs wrote:
    Haha, Rio really doesn't help himself:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/mar/21/rio-ferdinand-qatar-england-fitness-hodgson
    I'm not sure why this thing with Ferdinand is an issue?

    He hasnt played for a few years and he's nowhere near as good as he used to be.

    England are better off with Cahill, Lescott, Jagielka, Steven Taylor, Dawson, Caulker and Smalling.

    When everyone is fit and well, i would personally put Jagielka and Taylor together, but i'm biased.

    "The worst part is, I'll have to have the break-up sex with myself!"

  • Dougs 21 Mar 2013 11:41:45 66,670 posts
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    Pretty obvious roz was taking the Michael. This time next year, we'll be billionaires
  • Dougs 21 Mar 2013 11:43:54 66,670 posts
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    Except most of those aren't available either! Ferdinand saying he can't possibly fly abroad because of his fitness regime and then jet off to Doha makes him look very foolish indeed.

    Agree we shouldn't be looking at him long term etc, but in this instance, needs must.
  • Youthist 21 Mar 2013 11:44:23 10,010 posts
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    http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/west_ham_utd/36294/harry-redknapp-is-english-footballs-wrecking-ball.html

    Is a pretty good read. And nothing much has changed since this was written.

    Think of how stupid the average person is, and realise half of them are stupider than that

  • kalel 21 Mar 2013 11:49:07 86,344 posts
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    Can't get that page to load for some reason
  • nickthegun 21 Mar 2013 11:49:35 58,784 posts
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    404

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  • Youthist 21 Mar 2013 11:50:55 10,010 posts
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    I had to try it a couple of times from work, it was timing out at first.

    Think of how stupid the average person is, and realise half of them are stupider than that

  • kalel 21 Mar 2013 11:52:53 86,344 posts
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    Read a chached version.

    A bitter West Ham fan has a rant about how Harry spent poorly after their crooked board sold all his best players from under his nose and gave him a fraction of the funs raised to re-invest.

    Can't see what relevance it has really.
  • Youthist 21 Mar 2013 11:55:10 10,010 posts
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    You surprise me

    Think of how stupid the average person is, and realise half of them are stupider than that

  • kalel 21 Mar 2013 11:56:19 86,344 posts
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    And seriously, why does Harry get zero credit for Spurs's financial success?

    Is it perhaps because it's completely obvious that it's 100% down to Levy who manages our finances cleverly and responsibly - because he is our chairman and that is his job?

    Not that Harry didn't waste money at Spurs. Some of the resources he was allocated were spent very badly indeed, and for that he is responsible, but it didn't ruin us because our chairman isn't a fucking idiot.
  • nickthegun 21 Mar 2013 11:56:48 58,784 posts
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    Yeah, read the cached version, it comes across as the writings of a cunt.

    He states that he had several great years at west ham and fostered a brilliant squad then made a few shit signings with half of Rios transfer fee.

    The rest is hyperbolic nonsense.

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  • RobTheBuilder 21 Mar 2013 11:56:52 6,521 posts
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    If you look at where teams where versus where they ended up, Harry Redknapp is one of the most effective managers in the game.

    He can only spend what he is given, and most of the time he gets damn good performances for the money he has. Which gives chairman the confidence to invest more.

    He may be partly to blame at Portsmouth, but he isn't the chairman, who should be looking after the cash. He was trying to do a job of making the team work.
  • RobTheBuilder 21 Mar 2013 11:59:02 6,521 posts
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  • kalel 21 Mar 2013 11:59:28 86,344 posts
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    RobTheBuilder wrote:
    @kalel hang on, so it's NOT the chairmans fault when they get fucked, but it IS when they do well?
    You've missed the rhetoric irony in my post.
  • RobTheBuilder 21 Mar 2013 12:01:44 6,521 posts
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    @kalel yeah I reread it and deleted it, but you'd already replied!
  • nickthegun 21 Mar 2013 12:04:45 58,784 posts
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    Also, he says the signings were shit 'to a man' then fails to mention anything about Christian Daily actually being pretty good and well respected among the fans.

    Utter twattery.

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