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  • enfilade 19 Mar 2013 19:13:28 167 posts
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    Syrette wrote:
    http://writemark.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/is-dave-whelan-right-when-he-accuses.html

    Dave Whelan remains angry at what he feels was a bad tackle by Norman Deeley. Forty-five years later, several newspapers quoted him after a reckless challenge by Chelsea’s Michael Essien on Liverpool’s Dietmar Hamann during a European Champions League game in December 2005 “the worst tackle I’ve seen for a long time. You can’t go over the top like that. It was so dangerous. It has no place in football. How Hamann didn’t break his leg, I’ll never know.

    “Essien’s tackle was like the one that broke my leg in the Cup Final in 1960. Norman Deeley went over the top, but it was different then, there were no TV replays. The referee didn’t even give a foul, but it absolutely finished me. It was a nasty tackle.”
    What an utter cunt.

    I hope Wigan stay up, just so we can welcome them back to SJP with welcome arms. That'll be a tasty fixture - might even make the trip back oop norf for that one ;)
  • cheeky_prawnking 19 Mar 2013 19:19:24 3,794 posts
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    For the Arsenal fans (mainly):

    Thankfully for Stoke, Michael Owen is only retiring from football, so he can still play for them next season.
  • enfilade 19 Mar 2013 19:42:05 167 posts
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    Btw, just read a good point that completes the stance on 're-refereeing':

    There is an appeals process through which clubs can dispute red cards and have suspensions withdrawn.

    Wtf.
  • convz 19 Mar 2013 20:27:06 296 posts
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    Trowel wrote:
    convz wrote:
    On a completely unrelated note, I'm just watching a video of Hazard vs West Ham - a few pages back someone asked what is wrong with Chelsea fans that they would cheer a robana that went to the other team, well watch this and you'll see why I and every one around me thought the play warranted applause! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlqY2GJWOwk&hd=1#t=4m58s
    Not really. Just fucking hit it.
    :D

    (for those that haven't seen it yet - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpZGihSG3aE&hd=1)
  • Syrette 19 Mar 2013 23:29:22 41,810 posts
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    Class.



  • SuperCoolEskimo 20 Mar 2013 02:39:03 9,529 posts
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    Hipster.
  • THFourteen 20 Mar 2013 06:55:42 31,804 posts
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    Is that you FAN?
  • kentmonkey 20 Mar 2013 09:11:09 20,075 posts
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    Is that a shotgun on your back? Were you hunting a lesser-spotted Whelan?
  • kalel 20 Mar 2013 10:05:23 83,874 posts
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    Well, this is absolutely amazing.

    Can you guess who the highest paid British manager this season is? It's Fergie surely no? It couldn't be Harry could it? Not....Hodgson...

    Feast your eyes and be astonished.

    Out-of-work Kenny Dalglish will finish the season as Britain's best-paid manager and the fifth highest-paid in the world, new figures from France Football magazine have revealed.

    Liverpool accounts showed they were forced to pay off Dalglish and his staff with £9.5 million at the start of the season after deciding to replace him with Brendan Rodgers.

    According to the magazine, £8.52m of that went straight into the pocket of the Scotsman, making him this season's highest-paid British coach without even having to manage a single game.

    Dalglish was on a reported salary of around £3.5m while he was at Anfield and a tweet went viral when he left the club that read: "Kenny Dalglish has asked that the £8 million compensation owed to him after his sacking be put towards new Liverpool signings. Amazing gesture."

    Angry Liverpool fans then bombarded the Liverpool Echo with phone calls asking why the local paper had not reported Dalglish's gesture.

    The Echo were forced to publish a reply saying: "The simple reason is it's not true."

    Dalglish won the League Cup for Liverpool last season but was criticised for paying out bloated transfer fees on unconvincing signings with the £35m paid for Newcastle striker Andy Carroll – the highest fee ever paid for a British player – drawing particular criticism.

    Dalglish was fifth in the overall managers' high-earners list which was unsurprisingly topped by Real Madrid boss Jose Mourinho who earns €14m (£12m) a year.

    The highest-paid manager currently working in the Premier League is actually Arsene Wenger (€9.4m) who is sixth on the list overall.

    Manchester City's Roberto Mancini is eighth on the list just making slightly more than Sir Alex Ferguson.

    On the players' list, huge endorsement deals mean David Beckham just edges out Barcelona's Lionel Messi for top spot.

    Top 10 best-paid coaches in 2012-13 (Source France Football – figures in Euros)

    1. Jose Mourinho (Real Madrid): 14m

    2. Carlo Ancelotti (PSG): 12m

    3. Marcelo Lippi (Guangzhou Evergrande) : 11m

    4. Guus Hiddink (Anzhi Makhachkala): 10.8m

    5. Kenny Dalglish (Unemployed): 10m

    6. Arsene Wenger (Arsenal): 9.4m

    7. Fabio Capello (Russia): 9.2m

    8. Roberto Mancini (Manchester City) 7.6m

    9. Sir Alex Ferguson (Manchester United) 7.5 m

    10. José Antonio Camacho (China) 6.1m


    Edited by kalel at 10:05:39 20-03-2013
  • roz123 20 Mar 2013 10:09:16 7,107 posts
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    I'm just glad Rafas not on that list
  • kentmonkey 20 Mar 2013 10:12:47 20,075 posts
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    I'm extremely surprised Arsene is on that much.
  • TheSaint 20 Mar 2013 10:15:14 13,629 posts
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    All right for some.

    Edited by TheSaint at 10:15:39 20-03-2013
  • kalel 20 Mar 2013 10:17:42 83,874 posts
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    It's certainly astonishing that Wenger is on more than Fergie. You'd think Fergie would be the highest paid manager in the world. United are the second richest club in the world (in terms of revenue), and he's both the longest-serving and most successful manager there is.
  • roz123 20 Mar 2013 10:17:42 7,107 posts
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    Arsene is more then just a manager he also houses, feeds and dresses many of Arsenals young foreign imports.
  • kentmonkey 20 Mar 2013 10:20:33 20,075 posts
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    I genuinely am stunned. And disappointed.

    He hasn't 'achieved' as much as others (some will disagree seeing the constant CL qualification as a major achievement, but I'm not in that camp. For many years that's been minimum expectation for me with the squad we have, whereas arguably Fergie has won trophies with some Utd squads that, on paper at least, were questionable as to whether they'd make top four that year). I can't see how, stacked up against other managers at other clubs and with our stance against financial doping etc. he can be paid that amount of money.
  • imamazed 20 Mar 2013 10:22:17 5,452 posts
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    This is quite an interesting little graphic; shows you where the TV money goes in the EPL.
  • kalel 20 Mar 2013 10:22:58 83,874 posts
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    I would personally say that Fergie's salary is too low, rather than Wenger's too high. Wenger is also worthy of a very high salary for similar reasons to Fergie. And let's not forget that salaries don't really go down, so it's not really fair to point at a recent lack of success.
  • Shikasama 20 Mar 2013 10:27:20 6,276 posts
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    Fergie's salary is probably supplemented by success related bonuses though.

    Wenger's probably isn't so much
  • nickthegun 20 Mar 2013 10:30:50 55,849 posts
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    kentmonkey wrote:
    I genuinely am stunned. And disappointed.
    Really? I thought the fact that arsene is on an insane amount of money was common knowledge?

    Certainly its been a handy stick to beat him with a few times in this very thread.

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    He totally called it

  • kentmonkey 20 Mar 2013 10:38:45 20,075 posts
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    I honestly had no idea. I obviously had my head in the sand. I generally don't worry myself to much about the off-the-pitch stuff though as a lot of it is unproven, whereas I concern myself more with the on the pitch stuff as my eyes prove that Gervinho is a penis headed liability and Diaby is a gangly frustrating crock.

    I get kalel's point about increasing salary, but then I'd assume that Fergie should be higher because of that as well. Perhaps it is others aren't paid enough (although that sticks in my throat when we're talking about millions of pounds). Shouldn't bother me, but for someone that's achieved bare-minimum* with the playing resources they have for countless seasons now, it does.

    *obligatory IMO in flashing text and underlined and in a different coloured font for those wanting to get all defensive about his achievements
  • Shikasama 20 Mar 2013 10:43:34 6,276 posts
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    I am absolutely certain that Ferguson still takes home more money than Wenger at the end season.

    Although discussing if someone is being hard done by for being on X million instead of X million is a little weird.
  • mcmonkeyplc 20 Mar 2013 10:44:59 38,899 posts
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    Making work pay!

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • nickthegun 20 Mar 2013 10:48:24 55,849 posts
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    Shikasama wrote:
    Although discussing if someone is being hard done by for being on X million instead of X million is a little weird.
    Its the chelsea problem of 'if that cunt is on [x], im worth [y]'.

    If Wenger is on that much money, you would like to think the greatest manager in the history of football would be worth at least as much as that.

    He could probably get it too, but he either doesnt care or gets paid a mint in bonuses.

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  • mcmonkeyplc 20 Mar 2013 10:49:36 38,899 posts
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    Fergie is a socialist init. He hates your money :p

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • kalel 20 Mar 2013 10:49:37 83,874 posts
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    Obviously none of these guys go hungry, but given how much money is generated by football, and how much players are paid, there is still a principle at stake when it comes to manager salaries. Frankly I think there's an argument for them not getting paid enough. Their role is surely more important than any one individual player, and yet Ronaldo gets paid more than Mourinho, and Rooney is getting double what Fergie does...
  • nickthegun 20 Mar 2013 10:51:55 55,849 posts
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    They also carry far more responsibility. If a keeper has a howler it can cost a manager his job.

    there is starting to be parity now, but certainly when the money first came in managers werent anywhere near as well remunerated as players.

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  • Shikasama 20 Mar 2013 10:53:10 6,276 posts
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    But (and I kow you're aware of this already so I'm not trying to be condescending) Ronaldo is an £80 million business asset and Mourinho isn't.

    I agree it is shonky but the whole relationship between manager/player/club is because of that asset-like status. It's why players don't get punished for poor performances but managers do.
  • kalel 20 Mar 2013 10:56:02 83,874 posts
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    Hmmm. Not sure about the asset point. I get there's a relationship between fee and salary, but I'm not convinced it's relevant to this point. I might need a while to work out why though.
  • Trane 20 Mar 2013 10:56:13 4,049 posts
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    Wenger's salary is like a monetary version of the Peter principle.
  • Shikasama 20 Mar 2013 11:12:52 6,276 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    Hmmm. Not sure about the asset point. I get there's a relationship between fee and salary, but I'm not convinced it's relevant to this point. I might need a while to work out why though.
    It's about your worth to your employer innit. SO ROnaldo (obviously we are using extreme examples, it's less clear why the likes of Denilson would be on a similar salary) is worth more to Real because he'll command a massive transfer fee, far more than the compensation they'd ever get for Mourinho leaving.

    Same goes with most of the players at this type of club. Players (and agents) are well aware of this so they want to be paid commenserate to the value they hold within the business.

    In Fergie's case you've got a definite point to argue about him being far more valuable than anyone player in a football/strategy sense, but in cold hard cash no-one is gonna pay you 16 million for him.
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