From 2013, it will no longer to be paid to those in the higher tax brackets. Fair enough, you might say, but it seems this will be done pretty arbitrarily, with a household with 2 people both earning £40k a year unaffected, but one household with one person earning £44k will no longer receive child benefit. Fair? Not from where I'm standing.
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Dougs 59,164 posts
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S.J.Rogers 3,477 posts
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Registered 7 years agoSeems fair to me, if people cant afford to have kids then DON’T HAVE THEM..! -
speedofthepuma 12,901 posts
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Registered 7 years agoThat has literally nothing to do with what Dougs said.I've turned off all the avatars and crap, so don't expect me to be impressed by yours.
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mowgli 31,931 posts
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Registered 7 years agoIs this child benefit or child tax credits that are being cut? CTC are a bit of a mess imo and it is bloody ridiculous that people can be earning up to £50k and still claim it.Pissy pants.
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S.J.Rogers 3,477 posts
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Well it does, i think all CTC should be cut...
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Dougs 59,164 posts
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Child benefit. They've already laid out plans to stop those earning £40k or more from claiming tax credits.
Is this child benefit or child tax credits that are being cut? CTC are a bit of a mess imo and it is bloody ridiculous that people can be earning up to £50k and still claim it. -
boo 10,778 posts
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Registered 10 years agoI have to say I'm with SJ on this one.
I can guarantee that someone will trot out the 'it's my children that will be paying taxes for your pension / public services etc'. This sounds like the Western world equivalent of a family in Africa having to have 11 children to support them in their old age.
By that token, the world is doomed to ever increasing over-population.
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speedofthepuma 12,901 posts
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Registered 7 years agoIt's child benefit, and therefore still has little to do with your opinion regarding CTC.
I think the point was the arbitrary cut off points that seemed illogical.I've turned off all the avatars and crap, so don't expect me to be impressed by yours.
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Indeed, child benefit and CTC are two very different beasts.
Either way, this is a very New Labour-ish policy of taking things away from the quite rich and not touching the mass market middle men. Expect more of these things as we slowly slide back into recession by stalling any growth in the economy over the next 5 years.
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Dougs 59,164 posts
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Registered 10 years agoIt's the mass market middle men that this will hit hardest. £44k living in a City isn't a huge amount. HR Depts are going to be overwhelmed by people wanting a £1.5k pay cut. -
For child benefit? Unlikely. If the axe falls in a similar place for tax credits or levels of general taxing then perhaps.
Accountants will be the winners as declarable income becomes twisted underneath the thresholds.
If the mass market middle men are the ones who are going to be the butt boys of this government then they can give way to any ideas of a second term or outright Conservative government in 2015. Unless I'm completely wrong about their economic policy and everything that is written about economics and how investment sparks growth since the dawn of time is wrong.
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Dougs 59,164 posts
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Registered 10 years agoDepends how many kids you've got. For a family with 3 kids, £200 a month, give or take.
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mowgli 31,931 posts
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Registered 7 years ago£20 for first kid and £13 for subsequent children at the mo.Pissy pants.
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Dougs 59,164 posts
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Registered 10 years agoIgnatius_Cheese wrote:
Indeed. Struggling to see how any of their policies will promote growth. We'll see what they have to say in the Growth WP I guess
Accountants will be the winners as declarable income becomes twisted underneath the thresholds.
If the mass market middle men are the ones who are going to be the butt boys of this government then they can give way to any ideas of a second term or outright Conservative government in 2015. Unless I'm completely wrong about their economic policy and everything that is written about economics and how investment sparks growth since the dawn of time is wrong.
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Registered 8 years agoI agree that child benefit should be means tested. Surely it should be on combined income though - as Dougs said. -
Means testing is fine but requires an arbitrary system of 1000s of civil servants to administer. Not sure they'll be looking at increasing the workforce at the moment...
The thing about Child Benefit is, on a basic level, it's "always been there". Once it's gone, something else will normally take its place in the form of another tax credit. Perhaps a child slavery tax credit. There's still coal down 'em mines that Maggie's forgotten about. Those little hands will come in useful prying the black gold out of the hills! -
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That divide between those that get it and those that don't does seem rather odd. I don't understand it at all...
Depends how many kids you've got. For a family with 3 kids, £200 a month, give or take.
We can probably cope without it at the mo, but as I said in my OP, it's the arbitrary nature that gets me. A family with 2 earners earning £80k and still getting CB over one earner with £45k is not right.
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Registered 10 years agoS.J.Rogers wrote:
Or the current system, if people can't afford to have kids then HAVE LOTS OF THEM and receive a ton of spare cash. And a free house.
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Fuck it! Lets repeal the Human Rights Act and stop poor people from having children. That'll sort this mess out, bloody spongers.
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Registered 10 years agoCosmicFuzz wrote:
As someone involved in policy development, I can safely say it will have been picked up but ignored by the politicos and dismissed as "a vagary of the system", or something.
It always worries me when people on a video game forum point out such blindingly obvious problems with stuff that has been passed by the people that are meant to be "in the know" in these matters.
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How much per sprog?
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mowgli 31,931 posts
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You're joking. Which makes it all the more painful when you remember that they are actually planning on scrapping the HRA!
Fuck it! Lets repeal the Human Rights Act and stop poor people from having children. That'll sort this mess out, bloody spongers.Pissy pants.
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Registered 7 years agoCosmicFuzz wrote:
Presumably the Govt assumes that two earners (on £80k) have childcare costs that one earner (on £45k) doesn't have. Unless this clause applies to single parents as well as couples, in which case it is retarded.Dougs wrote:
That divide between those that get it and those that don't does seem rather odd. I don't understand it at all...
Depends how many kids you've got. For a family with 3 kids, £200 a month, give or take.
We can probably cope without it at the mo, but as I said in my OP, it's the arbitrary nature that gets me. A family with 2 earners earning £80k and still getting CB over one earner with £45k is not right.
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Yeah, this isn't true. But do carry on!S.J.Rogers wrote:
Or the current system, if people can't afford to have kids then HAVE LOTS OF THEM and receive a ton of spare cash. And a free house.
Seems fair to me, if people cant afford to have kids then DON’T HAVE THEM..!Pissy pants.
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