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  • Buztafen 21 Oct 2013 12:22:26 16,458 posts
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    Congrats Bear, see...it was all worth it! ;)
  • Mola_Ram 21 Oct 2013 12:34:09 7,956 posts
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    quadfather wrote:
    Looks like its the zwei for starters then. And then see how lucky I am with the bks
    Yeah, that is probably best. Thing is, even if you do manage to get Black Knight weapons or whatever early on, you're almost certainly going to be lacking the stats to actually use them. You need 24 Strength just to be able to wield BK Greataxe 2-handed.
  • Armoured_Bear 21 Oct 2013 12:41:03 11,655 posts
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    Buztafen wrote:
    Congrats Bear, see...it was all worth it! ;)
    Thanks mate, it was indeed.
    It's brutal at times though.

    I'm tempted to re-buy Demons' Souls now..

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  • quadfather 21 Oct 2013 12:43:04 13,144 posts
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    @Mola_Ram - True. Plus they won't drop anyway :)

    Edited by quadfather at 12:43:23 21-10-2013

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  • quadfather 21 Oct 2013 12:43:48 13,144 posts
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    @Armoured_Bear - I'll see you in the Demon's thread :)

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  • Mola_Ram 21 Oct 2013 12:44:27 7,956 posts
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    Also, you were missing the Great Club from your list of must-haves.

    GREAT CLUB
  • quadfather 21 Oct 2013 12:45:11 13,144 posts
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    Ah yes. The one in blighty?

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  • Mola_Ram 21 Oct 2013 12:45:43 7,956 posts
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    The very same.
  • quadfather 21 Oct 2013 12:47:51 13,144 posts
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    Yowzer, check the damage out on a chaos great club +5 -

    Chaos Great Club +5 295/0/340/0

    I know it's got no scaling, but that's pretty good, plus you could buff it with 10 humanity

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  • Mola_Ram 21 Oct 2013 12:50:26 7,956 posts
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    Yeah. It's enchantable too. And the standard upgrade path gets A scaling after +10.

    It's a shame there's only one of them. Otherwise I'd be going Crystal.
  • quadfather 21 Oct 2013 13:04:50 13,144 posts
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    Pretty much well worth it then. +10 will only be a chunk I am guessing.

    Bet it's slow though. Still, zwei is fairly slow, so no problem I guess

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  • Mola_Ram 21 Oct 2013 13:06:57 7,956 posts
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    Well yeah, you're not choosing any of those weapons for the speed. Although the BK Halberd and Greataxe are surprisingly nippy for their weight.

    Edited by Mola_Ram at 13:12:06 21-10-2013
  • quadfather 21 Oct 2013 13:31:47 13,144 posts
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    Yeah I used the bk halberd on my first (fucked up) char. Still got a lot of love for it

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  • Lotos8ter 21 Oct 2013 19:42:05 2,364 posts
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    quadfather wrote:
    Yeah I used the bk halberd on my first (fucked up) char. Still got a lot of love for it
    And me. It's the go-to weapon for the uber speedrunners too as you can get it very early in the game.

    Fiat Lux

  • quadfather 21 Oct 2013 20:13:55 13,144 posts
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    If it drops :)

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  • quadfather 21 Oct 2013 20:15:33 13,144 posts
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    Naturally all my dex characters have every single bk weapon and my star chars will probably get nowt. Will see later.

    Am thinking of recording my sessions too as my mates are shocked at my language when I play ds even when its going well. Might be a laugh

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  • teamHAM 21 Oct 2013 20:17:05 3,116 posts
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    I have to say Quaddy I am impressed to see you are still in here, helping people and banging the drum.

    It's making me want to get back into it again and start a fresh all over again :)

    Also as a side note, I might be getting a PS3 imminently so of course I will be acquiring a copy of Demons Souls. So when that happens I will be gratefully receiving your advice as I haven't played that one before :p

    Edited by teamHAM at 20:18:10 21-10-2013

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  • onestepfromlost 21 Oct 2013 20:19:16 2,107 posts
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    youll probably get about 5 baldur side swords on this build qusaddy :p
  • quadfather 21 Oct 2013 21:03:03 13,144 posts
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    @teamHAM - someone's got to do it by Jove! I'm still loving it. Bout to roll a str character :)

    I can help you out with demons too, I'll see you in the thread :)

    Edited by quadfather at 21:03:24 21-10-2013

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  • quadfather 21 Oct 2013 21:04:31 13,144 posts
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    onestepfromlost wrote:
    youll probably get about 5 baldur side swords on this build qusaddy :p
    Glol. Honestly, don't tempt fate because I know you're right :)

    Wi post results later. 60 thousand dex swords coming up :)

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  • Dr_Mech 22 Oct 2013 01:19:58 1,047 posts
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    One thing I've always wondered.

    We're moving into the age of the 'Action MMO' it seems...well they say that when in reality it is still ye olde hotkey combat just with the additional ability to dodge out of AoEs (Guild Wars 2, Terra, DCUO and even Champions online to a certain extent).

    Why has nobody straight up just gone "Well Demon's/Dark Souls did action RPG combat really well...why not copy them?"

    Why has nobody gone "we're actually getting rid of the hotkey aspect entirely, We suggest buying a gamepad, you get a few different attacks, a normal, a strong, a rolling, a running and a jumping attack, now go forth and kick ass!"

    Make Weapons less about being tied to boosting stats and more about options. So this guy with ridiculous skill just solo'd a hard dungeon boss at level 1 using only starter gear. Well congrats that player, his reward isn't some super awesome sword that can kill people in one hit, its a weapon which opens up an option to him.

    Hell copy the boss armour system from Dark Souls too..beat a boss and wear their outfit (come on you know you wish there was more to the Gargoyle set than just the helm, shield and halberd, a bronze chestpiece with wings ala Dragon form torso would have been kind of cool, a Tarus Demon and Capra Demon headpiece etc.). This changes armour from a 'you need this armour to beat the next dungeon' to 'look how awesome I am, I've beaten this boss...and it is actually no better statswise than that quest armour you got which you've been slowly upgrading".

    Give a character and weapons weight instead of the standard floaty MMO combat. When someone is fatrolling in havels the animation isn't so much a roll as almost a bellyflop that wearing something that heavy would require to even remotely get close to rolling in.

    The Strength weapons all have the heft to them, when they hit the ground they kick up a cloud of dust, the sheer force being put into swinging them by your character shows these things are really fucking heavy.

    Though I doubt such a thing would probably appeal to your standard MMO player.
  • Mola_Ram 22 Oct 2013 02:01:44 7,956 posts
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    Chivalry has combat really similar to Dark Souls. It's not an mmo, but imo is closer to how Dark Souls PVP should work.
  • bantamenace 22 Oct 2013 06:14:41 73 posts
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    Finally got to the Kiln of the First Flame! (started the game in August 2012....) Should I do Artorias DLC first? Havn't actually bought it yet - it's £10 on PSN. Thanks. Bantam
  • Mola_Ram 22 Oct 2013 06:21:32 7,956 posts
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    You might as well, if you're interested. If you waited until ng+, it would be some time before you could even access the dlc, as the item you need for it is in the archives.
  • quadfather 22 Oct 2013 11:27:47 13,144 posts
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    Strength character up and running. Level 17, have got the zwei and used souls to get 24 str and 10 dex. Couple of points in end too. After the adjustment in combat to deal with the speed, have done taurus and sitting pretty with estus +1 at the parish blacksmith after 30 minutes!

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  • Armoured_Bear 22 Oct 2013 11:38:03 11,655 posts
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    Mola_Ram wrote:
    You might as well, if you're interested. If you waited until ng+, it would be some time before you could even access the dlc, as the item you need for it is in the archives.
    /Googles.
    Hmm, I never went there....

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  • quadfather 22 Oct 2013 12:01:10 13,144 posts
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    So that's the painting, the dlc...

    plenty to come back for :p

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  • Widge Moderator 22 Oct 2013 13:39:28 13,727 posts
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    Dr_Mech wrote:
    One thing I've always wondered.

    With western RPG, what your character and skill is like is less important; it is more about loot acquisition and pushing on to get higher and higher numbers. Progression is seen as getting more numbers, almost high score chasing, up to a point where your avatar starts to get to invincible deity levels. The traditional western fantasy story - farm boy grows up to have world saving magical powers of myth.

    Souls has the fantasy trappings, but the progression is more tied to your actual journey through the game, not an exponential increase in power. As such, the supporting cast of weapons, skills and numbers go towards shaping an individual playing style, a character who can deal with the environment.

    This presents a challenge at every stage, trusty armour becomes that very thing, something that stays with you and not discarded at each visit at a vendor (hell, I did most of the first half of Dark Souls in my black leather garb). Much different to something like Fallout 3, where the start you endure and the end you obliterate.

    What this means, however, is the game does not obviously reward you for your time. You're not getting a Bahamut summon or a new multi-enemy limit to tackle your foes with. All you get is access to the next step of your journey. As such, you are not the aforementioned typical fantasy hero, and most games are designed with that at its core.

    Capcom are probably the only other bunch who seem to want to do this sort of thing. Monster Hunter, Dragons Dogma, Deep Down.

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  • Buztafen 22 Oct 2013 14:21:23 16,458 posts
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    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    Mola_Ram wrote:
    You might as well, if you're interested. If you waited until ng+, it would be some time before you could even access the dlc, as the item you need for it is in the archives.
    /Googles.
    Hmm, I never went there....
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  • quadfather 22 Oct 2013 15:58:41 13,144 posts
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    yay, got my projector sorted. Gotta put the screen up, but had to check dark souls out!

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