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  • Red_Bool 26 Jan 2013 00:08:25 1,173 posts
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    Finally got back to this and also finally got to the sanctuary garden :D After breezing through most parts of NG+ it's kinda refreshing (ahem) to get the crap kicked out of you by a new boss :)
  • FanBoysSuck 26 Jan 2013 01:26:36 1,475 posts
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    Red_Bool wrote:
    Finally got back to this and also finally got to the sanctuary garden <img src=" /> After breezing through most parts of NG it's kinda refreshing (ahem) to get the crap kicked out of you by a new boss :).gif" class="smilie" alt=":)" />
    good times! Just wait until you hit kalameet and Manus. It's at that point you'll wish it wasn't new game plus. Trust me on this ;)

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  • Red_Bool 26 Jan 2013 07:34:37 1,173 posts
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    FanBoysSuck wrote:
    good times! Just wait until you hit kalameet and Manus. It's at that point you'll wish it wasn't new game plus. Trust me on this ;)
    Looking forward to it! ;) Seriously, I need a good fight to see if indeed my skills improved or whether it's just my weapons that are overpowered now in NG+. So far I didn't have any big trouble, not even with O&S (that even went better than NG), which makes it more 'relaxed' to explore and find all the hidden stuff. But on the other hand you do miss that 'what's around the next corner? shouldn't I heal up first? OMG OMG F*K F*K ARGH!' tension from NG :D
  • Mr_Sleep 26 Jan 2013 08:06:08 16,935 posts
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    Dr_Mech wrote:
    Getting your Strength to 20, your Dex to about 16 or 18 (depending on what kind of weapon you want to wield) and bumping up your vitality and endurance occasionally along the way should sort you out.
    I agree with all, I would add that early on Endurance is the one thing to pump quite a lot into at first, it's so important as it dictates the number of attacks you can make and how long you can shield attacks. Personally, my recent sorcerer build that I'm on at the moment still has endurance as the highest stat and I'm at the midpoint.

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  • quadfather 26 Jan 2013 11:24:51 11,983 posts
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    Did somebody mention a balder side sword just then?

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  • Rusty_M 26 Jan 2013 11:31:36 4,651 posts
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    Calm down quad. Ignore the flashbacks!

    I need to get back into this. I haven't played in months. There are a few games which fall into that description.

    The world is going mad. Me? I'm doing fine.

  • MatMan562 26 Jan 2013 12:10:57 2,413 posts
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    @Dr_Mech Thanks, that's all very helpful!

    I've just come off it after starting my new character. Managed to get to the Taurus Demon only to be killed by bouncing off the top of his head and missing the ground. Annoying, but I shall try again later.

    With the weapon upgrading should you be upgrading all your good weapons as much as possible or is it best to focus on upgrading your best weapon?

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  • quadfather 26 Jan 2013 12:21:16 11,983 posts
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    @MatMan562 - I'd pick one (or maybe 2) that you like the feel of, and then get them upgraded - you'll need to be comfortable with your weapon, so find one that feels "right" when you're attacking. Check out all the moves that it can do and remember them for specific scenarios. For instance, the strong attack of a weapon might horizontally swing, which is great for hitting multiple opponents, but I bet it's not very good in a tight corridor...

    It's always a good idea to have a bow and some arrows as backup too. Immensely useful.

    And don't forget your shield - get one with 100% physical resistance and upgrade it to give you more stability and a better chance to not get staggered when enemies hit you

    Apologies if you've already covered this groundwork

    Edited by quadfather at 12:23:08 26-01-2013

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  • FanBoysSuck 26 Jan 2013 13:09:25 1,475 posts
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    Red_Bool wrote:
    FanBoysSuck wrote:
    good times! Just wait until you hit kalameet and Manus. It's at that point you'll wish it wasn't new game plus. Trust me on this <img src=" />
    Looking forward to it! <img src=" /> Seriously, I need a good fight to see if indeed my skills improved or whether it's just my weapons that are overpowered now in NG . So far I didn't have any big trouble, not even with O

    For the emperor!

  • MatMan562 26 Jan 2013 13:32:26 2,413 posts
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    @quadfather Thanks! I think I already have a shield with 100% physical resistace because I started as a Knight. Just need to reach the blacksmith now and then I can start upgrading.

    I'm off to kill Taurus!

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  • onestepfromlost 26 Jan 2013 13:41:30 2,045 posts
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    so i decided to upgrade a few weapons, took a claymore up to fire +6 or 7, it seems like a decent wnough weapon thats not going to take too much stat investment, also looking at the rapier for being able to attack with it behind my shield, wondering what element to upgrade it with, maybe lightning?
  • SYS64738 26 Jan 2013 14:20:34 1,654 posts
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    onestepfromlost wrote:
    so i decided to upgrade a few weapons, took a claymore up to fire +6 or 7, it seems like a decent wnough weapon thats not going to take too much stat investment, also looking at the rapier for being able to attack with it behind my shield, wondering what element to upgrade it with, maybe lightning?
    Where in the game are you now? Personally I wouldnt go lightning as you can find a lightning spear in Sens Fortress, saving a lot of material. Your choice of course:)

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  • onestepfromlost 26 Jan 2013 14:44:17 2,045 posts
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    yeah good point i can upgrade thay rather than make a new one, im at catacombs, just got tomb of giants then endgame to go. guess i just need something occult and raw really.
  • Dr_Mech 26 Jan 2013 15:21:56 1,020 posts
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    You can find an Occult weapon in Anor Londo which will also save you on a lot of materials like the lightning spear.

    It is in the same room as all of Havel's stuff, Go through the first door on the left from the bonfire in the main building and smack the fireplace, opens up a secret room. Though be warned the chest with it in is actually a mimic

    Edited by Dr_Mech at 15:22:58 26-01-2013
  • onestepfromlost 26 Jan 2013 15:30:28 2,045 posts
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    yeah its an occult club or something, think i have that too. On my way to acheivements now :) just wish i hadnt used my two blue slabs both on enchanted rather than a magic and enchanted.
  • Mr_Sleep 26 Jan 2013 17:02:09 16,935 posts
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    Don't you hate it when you get a flashy new weapon after lots of toil and you forgot to level up the relevant stat? :-D

    Just put down Seath and got his tail only to have to upgrade my intelligence by a couple of points to weild it. I'm going to have to pump quite a bit into intelligence now to make it worthwhile as I have Queelag's Furysword which is rather awesome. Also put down my first two lots of PVP today, I usually die pretty easily but they were of similar levels, in fact someone was using much the same gear. The other one invaded with some fairly tasty magic but after some pressure was put on them near the cliffs on the painted world they rolled backwards and off the side. Twas hilarious.

    Edited by Mr_Sleep at 17:04:11 26-01-2013

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  • MatMan562 26 Jan 2013 17:06:48 2,413 posts
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    Well i'm very proud of myself! Went back to play with the intention of killing Taurus even if it took me hours. Managed to kill it first time (by using a weapon enchantment item), then kept beating my new targets until I rang the first bell a few minutes ago. I'm basically back to where I got up to before now! And all in a days work. I'm just missing the gargoyle axe thing but I got a couple others instead.

    So, where should I be headed now? Last time I wandered off into the forest and met a few seemingly impossible ends so i'm guessing/ hoping that's not the intended next area. Should I be going down the elevator now?

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  • Mr_Sleep 26 Jan 2013 17:35:09 16,935 posts
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    Remember when you spoke to that fella when you first end up in Lordran at the Firelink Shrine? Well, he says some stuff that's worth bearing in mind. There's a door that you will have already passed that allows you access to the necessary level.

    You are a factory of sadness.

  • Red_Bool 26 Jan 2013 17:37:12 1,173 posts
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    @MatMan562 - There's a door at the bridge with the dragon on it (where you met Solaire after you beat the Taurus demon). You should have a key for it by now. From there I will let you figure it out yourself - that's much more fun ;)

    Also as an addendum to what Mr_Sleep said: Talk to everyone you can talk to and try the 'Talk' option a couple of time.

    Edited by Red_Bool at 17:39:33 26-01-2013
  • Mr_Sleep 26 Jan 2013 17:46:17 16,935 posts
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    Yeah, I was probably a bit too cryptic! :) I think that particular juncture is one of the most directionless. It's very weird to try and piece together exactly where one is supposed to go.

    By the way, when you rolled your character did you choose the master key?

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  • MatMan562 26 Jan 2013 17:57:43 2,413 posts
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    Ahh! Thanks! Had no idea that led anywhere important.

    I did choose the Master Key, yeah.

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  • Red_Bool 26 Jan 2013 19:11:03 1,173 posts
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    Mr_Sleep wrote:
    Yeah, I was probably a bit too cryptic! :) I think that particular juncture is one of the most directionless. It's very weird to try and piece together exactly where one is supposed to go.
    I actually didn't see your post because I was still typing mine :D

    The first time round I got stuck very much the same way and did a large part of the forest before someone here pointed me to that door - it's easy to overlook :)
  • Dr_Mech 26 Jan 2013 23:55:33 1,020 posts
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    I'll be rather cryptic, look at the item description for the Basement key, that will tell you where you need to go and give you a little information on the upcoming area.

    Be warned the next boss you face is probably the 2nd hardest fight in the game for newcomers. I'll give you the same piece of advice I was given. Run up.
  • MatMan562 27 Jan 2013 00:14:42 2,413 posts
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    Ok, thanks for that! And thanks to you all for helping me but without spoiling anything, that's just what I was hoping for!

    Out of interest, if the nest boss is the 2nd hardest when am I likely to face the hardest?

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  • Dr_Mech 27 Jan 2013 00:21:26 1,020 posts
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    You don't face the argueable hardest boss until much later in the game, they're basically halfway through the game.

    All the other bosses just require prep and learning their moveset, that particular boss though, trial and error and preperation will only get you so far, the rest is down to the skill of the player (or in my case bloody perseverance).

    Let me put it this way, the fight took me half an hour but that was because I was being exceedingly cautious, skilled players will nail them in under 5 minutes, really skilled players can oneshot them but that requires and insane amount of prep to do that.

    Woo! NG+ completed!
    Found Gwyn far too relentless for my NG stratergy of turtling up and taking pokes so after about two hours of attempts I thought, fuck it, I've done it once man style with no parrying, this time is parry time! Got the Heater shield to +14 and used Iron Flesh as a back up incase I missed the parry timing.

    +10 Fiery Demon's Greataxe (Gwyn is weak to fire...wtf is that all about?) and the Hornet ring helped a lot there, was doing 1300 damage per riposte, still took 5 riposte though, two of which were without the backup of Iron Flesh, meaning if I fucked up that was it.


    Proceeded to 1 shot the Tutorial boss, which was just downright funny, just over 3k damage in one plunging attack.

    Currently Soul level 116, 50 Strength, 30 Vitality, 21 Dex, base (for bandit) intelligence and resistance, 24 Faith, 14 Attunement. May do Intelligence to 20 this time round since I need 20 to wield the True Greatsword of Artorias.

    Edited by Dr_Mech at 09:10:01 27-01-2013
  • Architect_z 27 Jan 2013 09:45:16 2,385 posts
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    In PvP, I love using Great Magic Barrier against people with the Moonlight Greatsword, they try and try and try. I even allow them to get a backstab, as it takes such little health. Then just attack with 2 handed occult claymore force!!!

    I was trying to use the Balder Side Sword (sorry quad) with the Leo ring.
    I'm still unsure as to what it does. I know its supposed to hurt enemies more, but is it only effective on staggered opponents? I was kinda hoping it was effective if you land a strike on an enemy who is in mid-attack
  • Dr_Mech 27 Jan 2013 10:24:00 1,020 posts
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    Right, with the leo ring, it boosts damage done while the enemy is still in their attack animation and just that. If they're still recovering from a missed swing and then you hit them, then the Leo ring will boost that damage (you already get a damage boost but the Leo ring boosts it further).

    It doesn't count towards Ripostes, backstabs or if the enemy is in the "OMG I just bounced off your shield!" animation, it is purely if they full out wiff and you hit them while they're still technically 'attacking'.

    Edited by Dr_Mech at 10:24:25 27-01-2013
  • Architect_z 27 Jan 2013 10:29:55 2,385 posts
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    @Dr_Mech - Sometimes it does boost the damage, but not all the time, even during the undeads attack animation. I might have to keep trying with it. I think someone said it only works with thrust attacks? or better with thrust attacks maybe?
  • Dr_Mech 27 Jan 2013 13:12:36 1,020 posts
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    It only works for Thrust attacks sadly, doesn't do anything for any non-thrust damage weapon.

    From the wiki

    Strengthens counter damage ONLY with some "thrust" damage weapons.

    Typically what governs whether the Leo Ring applies is whether the weapon deals "thrust" type damage, not whether its attack is an actual thrust attack (although the two tend to align). If at least one of the damage types listed in a weapon's statistics is "thrust" then one or more of its attack moves likely benefits from the ring if landed as a counter. Similarly, if a weapon deals only "thrust" damage, such as the lucerne, then all of its attacks typically benefit from the ring if landed as counters, even if they are not all thrust animations.

    Counter damage usually occurs if you hit an enemy mid-swing, or at the same time he hits you.

    Boosts thrust counter damage by 40%. Only boosts phys damage.
    Counter attacks already do a +20% PHYS damage without Leo Ring (only phys damage is increased), with the Leo Ring's boost it reaches 65-68%, depending on the weapon.

    Boosts Crossbows bolts and arrows too. A good way to utilize this is to shoot an enemy when they are in the process of casting a spell.

    Does NOT boost ripostes or backstabs.
    And in specific to the Balder sword


    Only those that have "thrust" as a damage type, such as the balder side sword's R2 thrust attack.
    So it is only really useful if you do enough poise damage to interupt an enemy midswing or if you have enough poise to hit an enemy while they're swinging but you'll still take the hit.

    It isn't an amazingly useful ring because of this but if you can time it so you dodge at the start of an attack and hit them midswing while you're behind or to the side of them then you'll see a benefit.

    Edited by Dr_Mech at 13:19:19 27-01-2013
  • quadfather 27 Jan 2013 14:26:10 11,983 posts
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    I see you mentioned balder side sword there

    /wibble

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