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  • puddleduck 20 Feb 2013 15:00:35 1,873 posts
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    I've always felt that getting rid of Wenger will be the beginning of the end for Arsenal. They're not as big a club as they think they are. Players go there to play for Wenger, not Arsenal.

    Their fans are hardly known as being particularly supportive either, so all in all, not somewhere the top players will be lining up to go play. I think I would love Arsenal to move on from Wenger now, as I'd like to see the fallout. Amazing how Liverpool fans had enough of Rafa by the end of his tenure, but would have given anything to get him back at the start of this season...

    All said, I find it hard to hate Arsenal just because geography says I should. As a club they are run in the right way and with the right footballing philosophies, so really I support the way they do things, even if most of their fans are on the stubbed toe side of annoying.
  • Mr_Sleep 20 Feb 2013 15:05:57 21,196 posts
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    kentmonkey wrote:
    Otherwise, every player was at their natural level - nowhere near Bayern's.
    I was just reading back through this thread as I wondered if anyone had made this point. To me, Bayern Munich are one of the best teams in the world and Arsenal are not, the idea that Arsenal should be winning the game just isn't true. It possibly should have been a closer match but Bayern are a class act.

    As with all managerial changes, the question should be more concerned with who can be got in that will improve things. As it is I can't see anyone out there that will drastically improve things. To me, Arsenal would be punching above their weight challenging for the premiership or champions league.
  • liamthemaster 20 Feb 2013 15:10:40 1,629 posts
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    Considering they've sold 90% of their world class players over the past 3 years they're doing pretty damn well.
  • The-Bodybuilder 20 Feb 2013 15:42:09 16,885 posts
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    caligari wrote:
    Laudrup to Arsenal. You heard it here first!
    99% sure it will be Remi Garde after Wenger, IMO.
  • The-Bodybuilder 20 Feb 2013 15:49:16 16,885 posts
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    puddleduck wrote:
    They're not as big a club as they think they are. Players go there to play for Wenger, not Arsenal.
    Not that I've ever said Wenger out (I never have, even when he pisses me off, which seems to be every weekend), but....we are a big club; both from a financial perspective, historical (liverpoollol), stadium, commercial and number of global fans. To say we're not is absurd, we always have been. Even in our current lull and decline, we still are.

    Also, many players do come for Wenger's development, yet they also leave as soon as they've got what they wanted; to mature into complete players. Besides, his pull is not as strong as it once was, based on our current decline and against the money others offer (though as wages show, we're no slouch in splashing the cash on crazy wages).

    Their fans are hardly known as being particularly supportive either
    Based on what? comments from here, 606 and twitter? That can be said for any club.

    Go ask any previous player about how they think of our fans. Its amazing how short people memories are, basing it on current internet malaise to judge arsenal the club.

    PS: I'm still not "Wenger Out", before people use that label to discredit me.

    Edited by The-Bodybuilder at 15:52:24 20-02-2013

    Edited by The-Bodybuilder at 15:53:27 20-02-2013
  • The-Bodybuilder 20 Feb 2013 15:51:37 16,885 posts
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    Mr_Sleep wrote:
    kentmonkey wrote:
    Otherwise, every player was at their natural level - nowhere near Bayern's.
    I was just reading back through this thread as I wondered if anyone had made this point. To me, Bayern Munich are one of the best teams in the world and Arsenal are not, the idea that Arsenal should be winning the game just isn't true. It possibly should have been a closer match but Bayern are a class act.

    As with all managerial changes, the question should be more concerned with who can be got in that will improve things. As it is I can't see anyone out there that will drastically improve things. To me, Arsenal would be punching above their weight challenging for the premiership or champions league.

    Don't think anyone was expecting us to win.
    I personally think yesterday will be a big eye-open to Wenger. For a while, he's believed this team was still capable of being a champion, european-contender squad, just not far from it. What that showed him was just how far aware his idea of this being this global force he believes it could be, is.
  • Deleted user 20 February 2013 15:54:23
    Christ, this Stuart Robson guy (Arsenal 80s) that SSN keep wheeling out to talk about Arsenal doesn't like Arsene Wenger.

    My instinct is he's talking a pile of shit though, trying to make a name for himself in the media by being controversial.
  • Mr_Sleep 20 Feb 2013 16:01:23 21,196 posts
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    The-Bodybuilder wrote:
    Don't think anyone was expecting us to win.
    I personally think yesterday will be a big eye-open to Wenger. For a while, he's believed this team was still capable of being a champion, european-contender squad, just not far from it. What that showed him was just how far aware his idea of this being this global force he believes it could be, is.
    The interesting thing is that I don't think Wenger's method of playing football has changed its application to the sport, his tactical ideas are still relevant and indeed I think he has many of the players he needs to achieve this.

    It's just the cohesion that is lacking, if you compare how Bayern Munich defended and attacked with that of Arsenal and it was pretty clear that Bayern were a unit whereas something at Arsenal is fractured. I hope it continues until Saturday! ;-)
  • Dougs 20 Feb 2013 16:26:01 83,197 posts
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    bitch_tits_zero_nine wrote:
    Christ, this Stuart Robson guy (Arsenal 80s) that SSN keep wheeling out to talk about Arsenal doesn't like Arsene Wenger.

    My instinct is he's talking a pile of shit though, trying to make a name for himself in the media by being controversial.
    He also has an axe to grind after we sacked him as an analyst on our website. That or he caught Wenger in bed with his wife or his kid.
  • Deleted user 20 February 2013 16:29:39
    Ah, that explains it.
  • welshben1982 20 Feb 2013 16:38:59 1,225 posts
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    caligari wrote:
    Laudrup to Arsenal. You heard it here first!
    Hmm...how do I put this nicely? :D Piss off!
  • Deleted user 20 February 2013 16:40:14
    I'd have a punt on him to Madrid at some point.
  • nickthegun 20 Feb 2013 16:47:40 71,421 posts
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    Well, the rumour is that Carlo Ancelotti, the man who was touted as not being good enough for arsenal not two pages ago, has 'verbally' agreed terms with Real today.
  • Deleted user 20 February 2013 16:49:22
    That would be a shock. Guessing Mourihno would be going in the other direction.
  • Deleted user 20 February 2013 16:52:05
    Surprising. I thought Benitez was nailed on for Madrid in the summer.
  • Dougs 20 Feb 2013 17:27:19 83,197 posts
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    Still think mourinho is nailed on for City.
  • nickthegun 20 Feb 2013 17:28:25 71,421 posts
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    I still reckon Utd.

    I hope he doesnt, but I hes tailor made for it.
  • Dougs 20 Feb 2013 17:53:13 83,197 posts
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    True enough.

    Anyway, will this guy be watching tonight?

    @SimonTorresPike: 1mil bet, 6 out of 8 so far, Just tonights two games... come onnnn http://t.co/w3dfcLQg"
  • nickthegun 20 Feb 2013 17:57:18 71,421 posts
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    Apparently, the bookies took as much of a pounding as arsenal last night. Everyone absolutely lumped on arsenal by all accounts.
  • oceanmotion 20 Feb 2013 17:58:51 17,219 posts
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    How did he get it to 1 million?
  • Syrette 20 Feb 2013 18:04:17 49,006 posts
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    Some Coral promotion. Free bet.
  • The-Bodybuilder 20 Feb 2013 18:32:41 16,885 posts
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    Mr_Sleep wrote:
    It's just the cohesion that is lacking, if you compare how Bayern Munich defended and attacked with that of Arsenal and it was pretty clear that Bayern were a unit whereas something at Arsenal is fractured. I hope it continues until Saturday! ;-)
    This, THIS, OH GOSH THIS.
    This is why I get somewhat annoyed when "wengerites" always make the first point that "we can't spend the way chelsea/united/city can", WTF has that got to do with ou rorganisation?

    Over the past 8 years, we've had different personel in defence and midfield (in the squad in general), yet stat shows, once again we have the highest number of individual-errors-leading-to-goals. That team cohesion has been lacking; from defensive organisation to team pressing, even with different personnel in the last few years.
    What's made it worse is the drop in quality, which magnifies those cohesion issues.

    Watching BM was such a joy to watch, they seemed to know exactly what to do without the ball. They were the very definition of a "well-drilled" team, something that cannot be said about us for a long time now. And that's got nothing to do with money.
  • The-Bodybuilder 20 Feb 2013 18:35:15 16,885 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    I still reckon Utd.

    I hope he doesnt, but I hes tailor made for it.
    mourinho? I think he defo wants United, but SAF isn't going anywhere anyimt soon. And he looks like leaving come the end of the season, so I would say Mourinho to PSG is the most likely.

    Benitez has been on a losing streak (performance-wise) for a while now; liveprool end days, Inter and now Chelsea. His stock is surely dropping.
  • roz123 20 Feb 2013 18:48:51 7,112 posts
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    Drogba and Schneider both starting for Galatasaray tonight
  • Trowel 20 Feb 2013 19:49:38 21,515 posts
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    This Barcelona team will go down in history.

    Worst kit ever.
  • Deleted user 20 February 2013 20:02:56
    yeah it's vile
  • roz123 20 Feb 2013 20:11:56 7,112 posts
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    Galatasaray Schalke is a very good game. Could easily be 2-2 already both teams have great attacks but poor defence, Drogba is playing well
  • Deleted user 20 February 2013 20:32:22
    Milan are doing ok.
  • phAge 20 Feb 2013 20:58:05 25,187 posts
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    Ooh, look at that.
  • ecu 20 Feb 2013 20:58:22 80,009 posts
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    Apparently AC Milan scoring at home constitutes a shock lead these days.
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