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  • LeD 19 Feb 2013 22:17:33 6,866 posts
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    I can't believe I wrote "holding us back" in a previous post. That's neither here nor there. Going back to a decent shape and form would do us a world of good for starters, forget about challenging for the title.
  • Blotto 19 Feb 2013 22:18:56 2,778 posts
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    Well that was shit.

    But fuck it, it's against Bayern FFS. I'm much more worried about the Blackburn result.
  • IMO 19 Feb 2013 22:24:53 6,595 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    Theres literally half a dozen managers I could think of off the top of my head, especially if they continue to pay ludicrous managers salary.
    Go on then...

    (Not having a go, just curious)
  • The-Bodybuilder 19 Feb 2013 22:32:18 16,922 posts
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    Syrette wrote:
    LeD wrote:
    Don't get me wrong, Wenger's still a great manager, coaching a currently top 5 side in arguably Europe's best league. But we're getting ever diminishing returns, and he seems blind to all of the current problems and issues. Either that or something else is holding us back, but I think it is just down to him who we sign or don't sign, how we set up shop in every game and so on.
    He's been in this job too long now, is all.
    Who out there could do better?
    People probably said the same thing before we got Wenger.
  • nickthegun 19 Feb 2013 22:37:39 71,895 posts
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    Laudrup, moyes, klopp, ancelotti, martinez and hiddink.

    Mourinho if the purse strings got loosened.
  • roz123 19 Feb 2013 22:39:15 7,112 posts
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    What is Bayerns manager doing when Guardiola takes over?
  • Syrette 19 Feb 2013 22:47:12 49,231 posts
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    roz123 wrote:
    What is Bayerns manager doing when Guardiola takes over?
    Retiring.
  • neilqpr 20 Feb 2013 00:05:41 2,914 posts
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    Syrette wrote:
    roz123 wrote:
    What is Bayerns manager doing when Guardiola takes over?
    Retiring.
    Don't think that's the case, on Football Weekly this week they said he might go back to Schalke.
  • evild_edd 20 Feb 2013 07:20:49 3,837 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    Laudrup, moyes, klopp, ancelotti, martinez and hiddink.

    Mourinho if the purse strings got loosened.
    Laudrup - No, too big a leap. Half a good season is not enough proof of his abilities IMHO.
    Moyes - I'd consider it actually. Would be interesting.
    Klopp - I'd consider it.
    Ancelotti - NO! Fucking eyebrow and Chelski connection.
    Martinez - NO! Shit with Wigan. Would lead us to a relegation battle.
    Hiddink - Can't see it happening and not sure I'd want it to. Just think he's a bit dodgy. Oh yes, and there's the old Chelski connection...

    That might come across as negative but actually I agree - we need a change even if it leads us through a painful transition period. Don't forget the golden rule of football managers: when opposition fans start defending your manager, it's time to sack them!

    AW is Arsenal Football Club. He handles transfer activity, squad, tactics, match prep, team mentality...everything. The fact that a team who's finished in the top 4 every season has failed to lift a trophy for 8 seasons is just not good enough. Arsene has to take responsibility and be held accountable.

    He'll never be sacked, but he needs to stand down. Hopefully that'll happen this summer.

    As the club motto says: Forward.
  • THFourteen 20 Feb 2013 07:56:32 46,178 posts
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    is that your knee i see jerking there :-)
  • ascue 20 Feb 2013 08:32:28 167 posts
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    That was pretty poor last night, though awful defending for the second and third goals didn't help matters. At least Kroos smashed it.
  • Deleted user 20 February 2013 08:34:46
    The-Bodybuilder wrote:
    Syrette wrote:
    LeD wrote:
    Don't get me wrong, Wenger's still a great manager, coaching a currently top 5 side in arguably Europe's best league. But we're getting ever diminishing returns, and he seems blind to all of the current problems and issues. Either that or something else is holding us back, but I think it is just down to him who we sign or don't sign, how we set up shop in every game and so on.
    He's been in this job too long now, is all.
    Who out there could do better?
    People probably said the same thing before we got Wenger.
    Strongly doubt anyone said that about Bruce Rioch.

    I'm very much looking forward to Arsenal entering the managerial wilderness years. I really don't think you guys understand what you have to look forward to in this respect.
  • THFourteen 20 Feb 2013 08:34:58 46,178 posts
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    Szceny needs to be dropped.
  • THFourteen 20 Feb 2013 08:35:48 46,178 posts
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    meh, if we have to go through a few managers who cares.

    pretty much 90% of the world apart from kalel and dougs want wenger to go
  • Deleted user 20 February 2013 08:38:30
    I want Wenger to go.
  • THFourteen 20 Feb 2013 08:44:48 46,178 posts
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    sweet, 90.00001% want Wenger to go.
  • Deleted user 20 February 2013 08:56:12
    THFourteen wrote:
    meh, if we have to go through a few managers who cares.
    I just don't think you really understand what this entails.

    Only teams like Chelsea and City can afford to keep sacking managers and it not really matter too much. For the rest of the league managerial roller-coasters means huge expense and regression as a team. Look at Spurs. Look at Liverpool. Look at Villa. Look at Newcastle. That is what happens when you "go through a few managers". Trust me, you will care when it actually happens.

    The question you need to be seriously considering, is "what if this is as good as it gets", because that really may well be the reality you face.
  • Dougs 20 Feb 2013 08:57:20 83,738 posts
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    Changing managers won't change a thing imo. We are where we are in terms of resources and the types of players we can afford aren't those that will make us title challengers again. No matter who is brought in, 3rd/4th is about our level, such is the gulf in resources and I'd much prefer AW to try and bridge that through player development than anyone else.

    Anyway, Bayern were a class act - so reminiscent of how we used to be. Fast, direct, organised and ruthless. We gave it a go 2nd half, but yet again left too much to do, with 2 poor errors. Again. Ah well, onto Saturday.
  • THFourteen 20 Feb 2013 09:01:24 46,178 posts
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    but what if its not as good as it gets? what if it could get better? why should the glass be half empty?

    and is 4th place so good that i dont want to give it up to see if it could get better? 4th place and being knocked out of the CL every year in the round of 16/qf is actually quite boring. Maybe we need 5-10 years of being shit so that we can appreciate being above average again

    nobody in their wildest dreams could have thought that when wenger signed he would stay for 16 years. similarly nobody in their wildest dreams can say whether any manager we get next will stay for 16 months or 16 years.

    either way i'm bored shitless of our never-changing tactics and our defensive frailties, and the fact that every season plays out in exactly the same shape or form every year.

    at the end of the day, football has become just a fun day out for me, go to the pub meet friends, drink, go to game, i dont actually care hugely about the results anymore. I can do all of this if we are 12th or 4th, theres no real difference, apart from my ticket might get a lot cheaper.
  • TheSaint 20 Feb 2013 09:09:06 17,398 posts
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    If you think it's boring now, imagine buying your 800 season ticket and finishing mid table. Almost any other fan in the division would kill for a boring fourth place finish every season.
  • Deleted user 20 February 2013 09:09:45
    Thing is, your glass isn't half empty. It's about 80% full in fact.

    I keep coming back to a pontoon analogy. Would you twist on 18?
  • Dougs 20 Feb 2013 09:10:20 83,738 posts
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    Depends what the dealer was showing
  • Dougs 20 Feb 2013 09:15:42 83,738 posts
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    Posted this in the Group last night, this is what Kalel means:

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100203522/arsene-wenger-is-one-of-the-great-managers-in-the-history-of-football-who-could-ever-fill-his-shoes-at-arsenal/
  • Deleted user 20 February 2013 09:16:45
    OK, that's where it breaks down, but you get my point...

    Anyway, whatever, I'll just enjoy the show.
  • Dougs 20 Feb 2013 09:22:14 83,738 posts
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    I do, I was just being slightly flippant. :)

    All the gnashing and wailing is irrelevant anyway, he's not going to quit and the Board won't fire him. He'll be with us until the end of next season at least.
  • Deleted user 20 February 2013 09:28:26
    Boo. Wenger out! Wenger out!
  • THFourteen 20 Feb 2013 09:32:58 46,178 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    Thing is, your glass isn't half empty. It's about 80% full in fact.

    I keep coming back to a pontoon analogy. Would you twist on 18?
    But it's only your opinion that i have 18.

    We don't share that opinion.
  • Deleted user 20 February 2013 09:38:54
    THFourteen wrote:
    kalel wrote:
    Thing is, your glass isn't half empty. It's about 80% full in fact.

    I keep coming back to a pontoon analogy. Would you twist on 18?
    But it's only your opinion that i have 18.

    We don't share that opinion.
    I don't think it is an opinion. There is so SO much further for you to fall as a club, than there is ground for you to make up. That is an inarguable fact, not a matter of opinion.

    Not only that, but the ground you have to make up is currently occupied by clubs that are far richer than you that you effectively can't compete with (with the exception of us, and you're barely behind us in truth).

    I think you have lost perpective of the big picture, and what the realistic stature of your club now is. And worse, I don't think you appreciate how precarious even that is, and think it's no big deal to risk it.

    Edited by kalel at 09:39:19 20-02-2013
  • THFourteen 20 Feb 2013 09:47:13 46,178 posts
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    it IS no big deal

    i would still support arsenal in the championship or league one or whatever.

    just like all my friends who are palace/leeds/coventry/portsmouth fans do.

    if you dont try then what is the point of playing. its a game. they can shove their money and financial fair play up their arses, i dont care about it.
  • Deleted user 20 February 2013 09:49:08
    Do your Leeds fan friends wish their club hadn't been destroyed by unnecessary risk, or do they think it was well worth it?
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