Can Nokia turn it around? Page 6

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  • Immaterial 26 Oct 2011 23:06:10 1,335 posts
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    My goodness there's a LOT of Nokia ads on c5...

    Think I'll just switch everything off.

  • mal 26 Oct 2011 23:28:45 22,470 posts
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    Vice.Destroyer wrote:
    They introduced a bunch of phones. About four Symbian phones (hohoho) and both Luminas that you mentioned. The 800 is the premium version. The 710 the gyppo version.
    No Symbian phones were announced today. Four Series 40 phones were. That's the OS that ran your gran's first phone, running on a 1 fucking gigahertz processor o_O

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  • robthehermit 26 Oct 2011 23:51:28 4,038 posts
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    According to the Nokia website, a Lumia 800 on The One Plan (the plan which has unlimited daya and allows tethering) from Three will cost 40 per month. Or for 33 per month you can have still have unlimited data, but no tethering. I was hoping it would come in at 35, I wonder if they'll give me a discount for being awesome?

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  • Mr-Brett 27 Oct 2011 00:33:31 12,774 posts
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    mal wrote:
    Vice.Destroyer wrote:
    They introduced a bunch of phones. About four Symbian phones (hohoho) and both Luminas that you mentioned. The 800 is the premium version. The 710 the gyppo version.
    No Symbian phones were announced today. Four Series 40 phones were. That's the OS that ran your gran's first phone, running on a 1 fucking gigahertz processor o_O
    I assume those are bog-standard phones? I heard the other day that 50% of users on one of the big phone operators (forget which) aren't using fancy smartphones. So it makes sense to make some phones to cater to that audience.

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  • mal 27 Oct 2011 00:59:39 22,470 posts
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    All the reporting I've seen indicates they're primarily targetted at the developing world, but I dare say they'll sell a few to people outside the core smartphone age group in the UK and elsewhere.

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  • grey_matters 27 Oct 2011 02:47:52 3,691 posts
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    I seem to be one of the only people that kinda likes Symbian. I'd have an "N8 Pro" with the same camera/flash and HDMI/USB combination but otherwise matching their other top spec (1.0GHz+ A8, 512MB Ram, higher res/ClearBlack) in a shot. Maybe even above my much loved S2*. For that matter, an "E7 Pro" with those specs (but an N9 style camera) or the actual N9 with HDMI would have made me wait for them, I suspect.


    * well, about the same anyway
  • robthehermit 27 Oct 2011 07:51:26 4,038 posts
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    I like Symbian I've been using it for years, and I'm looking forward to seeing Belle on my N8. I really want a Windows phone though, so I expect Mrs Hermit will have to have all the Belle goodness, as I'll have upgraded before it arrives.

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  • Mr-Brett 27 Oct 2011 09:53:18 12,774 posts
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    I had a look at the Engadget hands on for the Lumina 800 and it looks like a tasty piece of kit, I quite fancy trying WP7 so it might be my next phone.

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  • Immaterial 28 Oct 2011 09:38:20 1,335 posts
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    So apparently 'Lumia' means 'whore' in colloquial spanish. Don't know if that's worse than Apple's mad language skills- 'Siri' means 'arse' in japanese.

    edit: not colloquial american spanish, it's just colloquial spanish with a bit of gypsy thrown in.

    Edited by Immaterial at 15:48:51 28-10-2011

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  • IronGiant 28 Oct 2011 09:49:44 4,490 posts
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    Nokia are steadily going down the pan, no chance against the phones from apple and Samsung, even Sony. MS chose the wrong partner.
  • robthehermit 28 Oct 2011 11:12:47 4,038 posts
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    IronGiant wrote:
    Nokia are steadily going down the pan, no chance against the phones from apple and Samsung, even Sony. MS chose the wrong partner.
    I think you're being a bit harsh there. It may not have been the announcement of the century, and the spec sheet may not crap on everything from a great height, but they have come out with two very solid attractive phones.

    What they need at the moment is an everyman phone. Something that will appeal to the mass market who aren't that bothered that phone a saves you half a second a day over phone b because its fractionally faster. They just want a nice looking phone that they can use to check in with various social networks and make the occasional call on.

    Once the user base starts to increase and their position is a bit safer, then we'll start to see the geek phones coming out.

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  • Psychotext 28 Oct 2011 11:47:43 53,978 posts
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    Couple of my iPhone owning friends are thinking of swapping to the 800 so it can't be too unattractive. Don't underestimate the magpie effect on average Joe.

    Ooh, shiny!
  • Popzeus 28 Oct 2011 11:53:52 8,300 posts
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    Noticed last night that Channel 5's primetime shows are now sponsored by Nokia and start with a giant Lumia 800 stood up next to the 5 logo in the idents.

    The marketing frenzy starts here.

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  • Deleted user 28 October 2011 12:51:51
    I like Nokia and I'm a WP7 fan for the most part but whose decision was it to curve the screen outwards? That seems like a scratch-disaster waiting to happen. Despite all the claims to the contrary, Gorilla Glass is still seriously scratch-happy
  • mcmonkeyplc 28 Oct 2011 12:58:02 39,440 posts
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    I may delay my upgrade till Nokia release an Apollo phone. I love a good come back story!

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • robthehermit 30 Oct 2011 00:52:06 4,038 posts
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    Got my preorder in for the Lumia 800.

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  • Psychotext 30 Oct 2011 01:07:35 53,978 posts
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    I'm signed up for that free 360 if I upgrade. Will see what sort of tariffs I'm offered.

    Can always offload the 360 for a few squid.
  • robthehermit 30 Oct 2011 01:24:05 4,038 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    I'm signed up for that free 360 if I upgrade. Will see what sort of tariffs I'm offered.

    Can always offload the 360 for a few squid.
    It's a shame Three aren't offering any sort of bonus. Orange give you an xbox, Vodafone give you 60 worth of vouchers, Three give you the phone you ordered and nothing else. I intend to hammer the unlimited data though, that'll learn them.

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  • CharlieStCloud 30 Oct 2011 08:35:20 5,202 posts
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    I am with giffgaff and I am wondering if you can buy the phone as a standalone product then pop my own SIM card inside...?

    I'd quite happily pay 300-400 as I get that as a little Christmas bonus every year, which I treat myself with!
  • Deleted user 30 October 2011 08:38:15
    Yes, that's exactly what you can do.
  • CharlieStCloud 30 Oct 2011 08:45:01 5,202 posts
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    Hooray!

    It shall be my first 'smartphone' after using a Symbian Nokia phone for donkey years... it did the job though; texting my friends and making phone calls is all I wanted.
  • CharlieStCloud 30 Oct 2011 16:00:01 5,202 posts
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    My football going friend works at Orange (co-manager) and he is saying the Lumia 710 may well be available to buy SIM free for 249.

    Not bad, hey...?
  • mal 30 Oct 2011 16:10:48 22,470 posts
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    Er, the first phone sold as a 'smartphone' was a Symbian phone :D

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  • Deleted user 30 October 2011 16:15:42
    No it wasn't, it was the IBM Simon.
  • mal 30 Oct 2011 16:25:20 22,470 posts
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    Wikipedia reckons it was the Ericsson R380, and that's my recollection as well. The Simon may have been the first smartphone by modern definitions, but no one was calling them that then.

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  • oceanmotion 30 Oct 2011 17:25:14 15,827 posts
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    CharlieStCloud wrote:
    My football going friend works at Orange (co-manager) and he is saying the Lumia 710 may well be available to buy SIM free for 249.

    Not bad, hey...?
    Yeah, nice price. I'm not too fond of contracts for phones now so that's tempting. I'll wait and see what tariffs they come out with, I imagine they will want to push this hard so might be better than usual.

    They did say the prices for the phones were 420 Euros and 270 Euros.

    The specs are the same outside of screen, storage and camera.

    Edited by oceanmotion at 17:28:53 30-10-2011
  • HoraceGoesSquiffy 30 Oct 2011 17:43:01 1,566 posts
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    I've had some hands-on time with the Lumia 800 while doing some contracting recently. I don't have huge experience owning smartphones, but it seemed very very nice.
  • Vice.Destroyer 30 Oct 2011 18:00:07 5,828 posts
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    mal wrote:
    Vice.Destroyer wrote:
    They introduced a bunch of phones. About four Symbian phones (hohoho) and both Luminas that you mentioned. The 800 is the premium version. The 710 the gyppo version.
    No Symbian phones were announced today. Four Series 40 phones were. That's the OS that ran your gran's first phone, running on a 1 fucking gigahertz processor o_O
    I hate to be that man. Either you are wrong, or the Guardian has completely misinformed me. Right here, in this article, they are announcing these phones:

    [code]Today it is introducing four new Symbian S40 phones: the Nokia Asha 200, 201, 300 and 303. Asha means "hope" in Hindi.[/code]

    Is a Symbian S40 phone not a Symbian phone? I mean, Wiki says so. Must be true, no?

    Edited by Vice.Destroyer at 18:00:30 30-10-2011
  • mal 30 Oct 2011 18:19:26 22,470 posts
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    Series 40 is a simpler operating system than the higher end S60 (which is based on the multi-tasking Symbian OS).
    I can see how that sentence might be misleading. Series 60 was based on Symbian OS, but series 40 has never been. If the Guardian reckon the Asha phones are running Symbian OS then they're wrong, not that that would be the first time.

    Edit: Having read the Guardian article now, it looks like a brain-fart in the head of the moment. Given the specs you'd be forgiven for expecting them to be running Symbian 5, but they're not. Or it might be finger trouble after years of typing Symbian Series 60 (which is now just called Symbian, fwiw).

    Edited by mal at 18:24:47 30-10-2011

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  • Vice.Destroyer 30 Oct 2011 19:56:55 5,828 posts
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    Then, out of curiosity, can you tell me if the Nokia N73 was running a Symbian OS? Because if not, then I have never had a Symbian phone. Which makes me feel bizarre.
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