Tarkovsky's Stalker: anyone seen it?

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  • morriss 25 Jan 2010 19:27:07 71,034 posts
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    `From the Wiki:

    Stalker (Russian: Сталкер;) is a 1979 science fiction film directed by Andrei Tarkovsky, with a screenplay written by Boris and Arkady Strugatsky, loosely based on their novel Roadside Picnic. It depicts an expedition led by the Stalker (guide) to bring his two clients to a site known as "the Zone", which has the supposed potential to fulfill a person's innermost desires.
  • Dante_Cubit 25 Jan 2010 19:35:32 1,927 posts
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    Fucking great. Any Tarkovsky film is. Fuck George Clooney.
  • SpaceDave3000 25 Jan 2010 19:36:35 78,262 posts
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    Yeah, I've had a copy sat in my downloads folder for the last few years, but haven't actually gotten around to watching it. Mostly due to not being arsed enough to sort the subtitles out.

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  • morriss 25 Jan 2010 19:46:35 71,034 posts
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    Good. I'm a big Solaris fan, and have managed to sorce a subbed copy. Can't wait.
  • M83J01P97 25 Jan 2010 19:47:08 6,664 posts
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    Superb film, I prefer it to Solaris as well, which apparently was a rather controversial thing to say according to my film tutor back in uni.
  • morriss 25 Jan 2010 19:53:08 71,034 posts
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    Dante_Cubit wrote:
    Fucking great. Any Tarkovsky film is. Fuck George Clooney.
    Don't take George's name in vain in my thread, ta.

    :)
  • morriss 25 Jan 2010 20:06:20 71,034 posts
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    BD transfer would be most welcome. Of this and Solaris.
  • pinebear 25 Jan 2010 20:49:29 8,565 posts
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    Seen it, loved it. Didn't go down at a lad's night though.

  • Whizzo 25 Jan 2010 20:54:00 43,151 posts
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    I think I'd rather jump off a cliff than watch Stalker again.

    The same applies to Solaris.

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  • LionheartDJH 25 Jan 2010 21:43:36 19,486 posts
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    I concur with Whizzo. I read about the story of the movie and thought it sounded awesome, as I found the idea of a journey through a deserted and mysterious zone quite intriguing, but I can honestly say I did not like this movie one bit. I found it really boring and I did not care for the characters or their motives. Fair play to those who like it, but I honestly couldn't fathom what all the fuss was about this film.

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  • Deleted user 25 January 2010 21:46:19
    Whizzo wrote:
    I think I'd rather jump off a cliff than watch Stalker again.

    The same applies to Solaris.

    Hehe, there's a funny tribute/spoof of this in Uzak, the protagonist is watching it late at night with a friend, who gets bored and goes to bed. As soon as he leaves the room, he switches it over to porno, only for his friend to walk back him and he's stumbling to put it back on Stalker.

    Love this film and the other two I have seen by Tarkovsky so far (Solaris and Mirror) always remember the endless underground tunnel sequence, like a nightmarish vision of walking through underpaths in the dark.

    @Lionheart I cannot speak for everyone, and I understand why they are not going to be for everyone (slow, nothing happening etc) but for me, I like the way it gives you space to slow down, contemplate and for lack of a betterr word 'absorb' the setting, the people and their surroundings in the film.

    Rather than being up and alert, I also find it best to watch them when I am half asleep, on the verge of nodding off but wanting to stay awake.
  • morriss 25 Jan 2010 22:17:33 71,034 posts
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    Yeah, that's how I like to watch stuff, too.
  • mrharvest 25 Jan 2010 22:28:48 5,198 posts
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    Vertical Stand wrote:
    Hehe, there's a funny tribute/spoof of this in Uzak, the protagonist is watching it late at night with a friend, who gets bored and goes to bed. As soon as he leaves the room, he switches it over to porno, only for his friend to walk back him and he's stumbling to put it back on Stalker.
    That's a film I'd thought not many people had seen.

    Have you seen "I don't want to sleep alone" by Ming-liang Tsai? If you want to absorb the atmosphere and mood, that's a stellar film. Also I guess not many people have seen Tarkovsky's Sacrifice but I personally think that's his best work.
  • LionheartDJH 25 Jan 2010 22:33:12 19,486 posts
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    Vertical Stand wrote:
    Whizzo wrote:
    I think I'd rather jump off a cliff than watch Stalker again.

    The same applies to Solaris.

    @Lionheart I cannot speak for everyone, and I understand why they are not going to be for everyone (slow, nothing happening etc) but for me, I like the way it gives you space to slow down, contemplate and for lack of a betterr word 'absorb' the setting, the people and their surroundings in the film.

    Rather than being up and alart, I also find it best to watch them when I am half asleep, on the verge of nodding off but wanting to stay awake.

    Yeah I can understand what you're saying, I did like the setting of the movie, the mysteriously deserted zone was a pretty interesting and different setting, but for me the setting could only carry the movie so far. I don't mind slow movies as such, Blade Runner and The Godfather (films which aren't exactly fast-paced) are among my favourite movies. I love not only the settings of those films but I care for the characters and what they have to say. With Stalker however I just didn't feel anything for these men and I didn't care about the things they had to say. I think perhaps this movie is an acquired taste, I really wanted to like it but I just honestly found very little to like.

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  • Deleted user 25 January 2010 22:37:13
    It bored the arse off me, much like every other Tarkovsky film I've seen.

    I'm all for arthouse but FOR GOD'S SAKE MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN
  • Jonathan_Fakenham 25 Jan 2010 22:44:42 301 posts
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    Ah yeah Tartakovsky is awesome. Samurai Jack anyone?

    Seriously though, Offret was one of those great movie experiences.
  • morriss 26 Jan 2010 11:48:33 71,034 posts
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    Gremmi wrote:
    It bored the arse off me, much like every other Tarkovsky film I've seen.

    I'm all for arthouse but FOR GOD'S SAKE MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN
    I grew up with Solaris so it's in the blood. My dad forced my at a young age....

    Wait, that doesn't sound right
  • Deleted user 26 January 2010 11:54:37
    Gremmi wrote:
    I'm all for arthouse but FOR GOD'S SAKE MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN
    It's an amazing film (my favourite Tartakovsky, in fact), but it does benefit from having a bottle of scotch sitting next to you.
  • cianchristopher 26 Jan 2010 11:56:20 6,360 posts
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    Is it anything like the game S.T.A.L.K.E.R.?

    Or did they just crib bits of the plot? (the zone, etc.?)
  • Deleted user 26 January 2010 11:58:16
    I think the film was an influence, but they're certainly not anything alike.
  • Tonka 26 Jan 2010 12:03:36 20,553 posts
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    At my local library there is a copy each of STALKER (film) Roadside Picnic (book) and STALKER(book which is a reworked version of the first script for the film)

    If you can read this you really need to fiddle with your forum settings.

  • Deleted user 26 January 2010 13:45:18
    @Lionheart Fair enough, on the issue of the characters I saw this on the criterionforum.org (halfway down page 4)

    http://www.criterionforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3180&hilit=stalker&start=75

    Someone observes that the between the trio of the writer, scientist and stalker reminded them of the trio in Star Trek, Ghostbusters and whether if it features elsewhere in contemporary and classical western literature.

    Mr Harvest wrote:
    Vertical Stand wrote:
    Hehe, there's a funny tribute/spoof of this in Uzak, the protagonist is watching it late at night with a friend, who gets bored and goes to bed. As soon as he leaves the room, he switches it over to porno, only for his friend to walk back him and he's stumbling to put it back on Stalker.
    That's a film I'd thought not many people had seen.

    Have you seen "I don't want to sleep alone" by Ming-liang Tsai? If you want to absorb the atmosphere and mood, that's a stellar film. Also I guess not many people have seen Tarkovsky's Sacrifice but I personally think that's his best work.

    Yeah it deserves to be seen more often, actually it was through Uzak that how I found out about Tarkovsky.

    I've only seen a few of his films, think I'll seek out Ivan's Childhood next before seeing his later films made in exile. but now you've said you reckon Sacrifice is your favourite film, eager to see it at some point.

    I hadn't heard of Ming-liang Tsai before, having a quick read up, thanks for the recommendations.
  • pinebear 26 Jan 2010 14:12:09 8,565 posts
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    Vertical Stand wrote:
    @Lionheart Fair enough, on the issue of the characters I saw this on the criterionforum.org (halfway down page 4)

    http://www.criterionforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3180&hilit=stalker&start=75

    Someone observes that the between the trio of the writer, scientist and stalker reminded them of the trio in Star Trek, Ghostbusters and whether if it features elsewhere in contemporary and classical western literature.

    Good find. From later in that thread:

    solaris72 wrote:
    I've since found an example earlier than Pascal. It's in the Old Testament, the third and fourth chapters of 1 Esdras, a book held as part of the deuterocanon in the Eastern Orthodox Church. [...]the king asks his three bodyguards to each write a sentence, and whoever's is the wisest sentence will be greatly rewarded.
    "3:10 The first wrote, “Wine is the strongest.” 11 The second wrote, “The king is strongest.” 12 The third wrote, “Women are strongest: but above all things Truth beareth away the victory.”"

    The one who says wine is strongest is our cynic, the one who says the king is strongest is our rationalist, the one who says truth is strongest is our believer. Again, I'm not saying that this was Tarkovsky's inspiration for the Writer/Scientist/Stalker character set, I've just found this a fascinating subject ever since I realized how often this intellectual structure appears in various forms.

  • Tomo 26 Jan 2010 14:44:00 13,926 posts
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    Whizzo wrote:
    I think I'd rather jump off a cliff than watch Stalker again.

    The same applies to Solaris.

    Yeah, this for me too and what Gremmi said.
  • LionheartDJH 26 Jan 2010 19:33:21 19,486 posts
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    Vertical Stand wrote:
    @Lionheart Fair enough, on the issue of the characters I saw this on the criterionforum.org (halfway down page 4)

    http://www.criterionforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3180&hilit=stalker&start=75

    Someone observes that the between the trio of the writer, scientist and stalker reminded them of the trio in Star Trek, Ghostbusters and whether if it features elsewhere in contemporary and classical western literature.

    That is an interesting point actually, thanks for the link.

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  • Phreedh 27 Jan 2010 10:44:17 683 posts
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    I tried to watch Stalker... turned it off when they all started spacing out in the stream. Didn't really help that the swedish subs were obviously done by a russian who knows swedish, instead of a swede knowing russian.

    I disliked it for the same reasons I never liked THX1138 or 2001. Sense. They didn't make much. I don't require guns, explosions and motarbiekz in a movie to enjoy it, but to paraphrase Lister; I was in a state of non-smegging-gripness!
  • Hypercube 27 Jan 2010 11:40:37 976 posts
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    Phreedh wrote:
    I disliked it for the same reasons I never liked THX1138 or 2001. Sense. They didn't make much. I don't require guns, explosions and motarbiekz in a movie to enjoy it, but to paraphrase Lister; I was in a state of non-smegging-gripness!

    But 2001 makes sense - admittedly, the end bit is a tad overtly trippy, but even if that bit eludes you the rest of it makes perfect sense.
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