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  • gammonbanter 30 Oct 2012 23:48:49 1,415 posts
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    You can take a lone of the DB5 Master Br..... Bond.

    Post Modern Bond really warmed up by the 4th Act. The 3rd Act might as well of stared Brosnan it was so fucking shit!

    Good overall, however not the film I imagined we would have 2 films after Casino Royale.
  • espibara 31 Oct 2012 14:56:39 4,155 posts
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    okay 7/10 for me.

    Better than Quantum not as good as Casino Royale.

    Felt too much like a reboot than a continuation of bond in the Craig era.

    The final act was too much like home alone crossed with father ted for me with a rather weak climax.

    I also felt the Craig one on one smash em up was toned down in this one. In Royale and Solace bond was like a brutal wounded bull dog smashing the crap out of people, in this one he was more like an angry poodle. The fight scenes were toned down big time.

    Good and solidly made, but hardly "the best bond of all time".

    Feels like its tread back to the Brosnan/Moore era now

    Edited by espibara at 15:00:56 31-10-2012
  • Deleted user 1 November 2012 00:56:28
    Skyfall -

    Just got back from seeing this . Have to say very impressed. Its quite overwhelming actually, look forward to seeing it again. I was sat in the front row - lucky to get a ticket, didn't expect it to be that busy! so it was pretty much in my face, so might see it again later this week and try and get a back seat seat and just take it all in.

    I enjoyed it for what a bond film doesn't normally do, and as a trade off, we were treated to some old school throw backs as well. So the whole film settled well with me.

    Firstly, I loved the focus on M. M was the bond girl in this film, and that impressed me a lot, and allowed a more deeper, developed bond film. And kudos to . The gentle exploration of bond background was well done, and the mothering figure of her character was well written for both bond and Badem character.

    I have to say though, Casino Royale was bourne dressed up as bond, and this was very much, infact a lot, The Dark Knight trilogy dressed up as bond.

    Its interesting that two films written at the same time can be so similar (DK rises) - the idea of bond coming from a hole like batman and bane, and the idea of two people going through the same motions resulting in 'black and white' outcomes. The uses of fear. And in general badem character and the motions he goes through - could easily be pulled from the batman universe. The general direction, and soundtrack was the DK trilogy down to a tee, specifically in the set peices. But there was enough style and substance of its own to make this unique.

    The cinematographer deserves a massive shout out. Some amazing shots. And Sam mendez direction, and what he brings to films in general was allowed to flourish.

    Javier badem! what a man. Probably has now played two of the best villians ever in cinema (this and anton from No country for old men). Superb.

    The ending, i quite enjoyed, i mentioned up above i enjoyed it for what a bond film doesn't normally do, i liked it in that his mission was different, but actually doing what he is employed for - to protect his country.

    For some people i can understand that the unconvential bond film not being played out might rub people up the wrong way - but the compromises were worth it. The komodo dragon, the car, certain characters, jokes were great to see.

    The build up was slow - i normally don't mind this, i perfer slow burning films, but for parts of the film i was wondering where it was going. Parts of the script felt dead, and the pace felt a bit lifeless at times, but the pay off for me was worth it. I'm really looking forward to seeing it again and knowing what happens how it all fits in.

    Also disapointed the agents identity storyline was sort of shelved, and the opening credits was a bit meh.

    But A great film to celebrate 50 years of bond.

    a very good 9/10 atm.

    Edited by joelstinton at 01:01:12 01-11-2012
  • Bremenacht 1 Nov 2012 01:53:00 15,742 posts
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    Bremenacht wrote:
    Those last words that Bardem spoke to Bond at the end. What were they?
    Anyone hear them?

    Once an eagle taught me courage. And I will never forget that day

  • CosmicFuzz 1 Nov 2012 07:14:30 21,221 posts
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    why did bond let the assassin shoot the man in Shanghai? And who was he assassinating? I didn't get that part at all :D

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  • Deleted user 1 November 2012 09:49:05
    Yeah i wondered that. He also appeared in a photo in the film. i can't remember if it was with M or with one of the bad guys
  • LeoliansBro 1 Nov 2012 10:14:31 41,863 posts
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    Watched this last night, thoroughly excellent and the best Bond since Goldeneye, completely made up for the wet fart that was The Dark Knight Rises. Loved the references to previous bonds, especially the musical horn salute 'DA-DA!' used once at the very beginning, and once at the best single moment of the film. Third act was unashamedly non-Bond, but fresh and interesting for it, although a little Hogwarts at times. Excellent villain though, Bardem really brought something to a role which (given the dialogue alone) could have been a carbon copy naughty evil man, as seen in most previous recent outings.

    For all the loose ends which did make it a touch untidy what was the sniper assassination? Why did he have a poker chip with him? Where was Eve's bullet wound on Bond's body exactly, I only saw the bad guy's? Did they ever get the NOC list back again, or even care? the one overriding thing I wondered about was where was Quantum? Not even a whisper. Not a real problem, just a puzzle.

    Oh, and the Shanghai building? Over the street from where I work - when Bond gets out of his car, you can see Liverpool St Station in the background.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • LeoliansBro 1 Nov 2012 10:16:42 41,863 posts
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    Oh, and Bardem's death, with all the emotions playing across his face, frustration, disbelief, amusement and pain, was brilliantly acted. He might be the best villain we've had so far... OOOOH, MR BOND!

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • The-Bodybuilder 1 Nov 2012 10:23:17 13,613 posts
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    7/10.
    - great opening scene
    - great final act (action wise)
    - M excellent
    - Some awesome cinematography
    - Bardem best bond baddie.
    - took too long to get going/somewhat boring middle
    - felt low budget at times. Being in London didn't help, felt like the episode of the bill at some points.
    - Not better than CR imo.
    - heavily influenced by dark knight trilogy (especially TDK), silence of the lambs, and even LA Confidential.
  • LeoliansBro 1 Nov 2012 10:28:37 41,863 posts
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    Yeah, they even borrowed Joker's interrogation cell for Bond's 'wasted' day interview.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • roz123 1 Nov 2012 10:38:59 7,107 posts
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    The bit where they set up traps in the house was nicked from home alone
  • Bremenacht 1 Nov 2012 11:16:39 15,742 posts
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    It's true. I also noticed the scene where Bond has an apparent smirk on his face when looking at an incarcerated Bardem, which is an obvious reproduction of the jail cell scene in Eisenstien's 'Staroye i novoye'.

    Once an eagle taught me courage. And I will never forget that day

  • LeoliansBro 1 Nov 2012 11:48:43 41,863 posts
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    Hush you.

    Heineken is all over this film, as well. They even changed the adverts in the tube stations.

    Which reminds me, Silva gets the tube from Temple to Embankment on his way to Westminster. Nitpicky as hell, but he gets off a stop too early (or Bond gets off a stop too late). And why did he get a tube for one stop again?

    NEEEEEERRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDD

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • LeoliansBro 1 Nov 2012 11:49:38 41,863 posts
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    And I don't mean they borrowed the idea of the interrogation cell (because the scene was completely different). I mean they borrowed the whole damn cell itself.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • beastmaster 1 Nov 2012 12:07:14 10,172 posts
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    The ending was fucking brilliant. Not not that bit (but that was brilliant too). The last minute or so.

    Sets it up for a more traditional 007?

    I wonder if they'd ever so a new take on an old villian. Scaramanga?

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  • espibara 1 Nov 2012 20:15:08 4,155 posts
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    beastmaster wrote:
    The ending was fucking brilliant. Not not that bit (but that was brilliant too). The last minute or so.

    Sets it up for a more traditional 007?

    I wonder if they'd ever so a new take on an old villian. Scaramanga?
    This puzzled me I thought they were trying to move bond into a modern era with Casino Royale now Mendes has planted it right back. STill think Like Brosnan, Craig peaked with his first bond film.
  • Dougs 1 Nov 2012 20:25:50 64,887 posts
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    The way I saw it the Craig Bond was all a out where he came from and why he is the way he is. The ending brought that to a conclusion and left it in a familiar place. That's not to say the next Bond will be more traditional.
  • Deleted user 1 November 2012 20:30:02
    I don't think Mendes has planted it right back, he has got it so that it's like a modern version of the Connery films. Don't forget that we had invisible cars and space lasers by the end of Brosnan.
  • Deleted user 1 November 2012 21:21:07
    I think Q made it pretty clear that theres not going to be silly roger moore esq gadgets. The problem is walking that line of whats realistic and not. Brosnans invisible car was madness in film, but the tech was being developed at the time.

    I think it will still tread the line it is at the moment. Skyfall as sort of finished the emotional bond, wonder how they can continue that , since it seems that he has fully graduated now. I think we will see more story orientated films. We recently had, tinker tailor soilder spy, and i think we see bond films drawn from that. Not in depth and methodical as TTSS, but a film that is driven by characters and motives.
  • nickthegun 1 Nov 2012 21:30:06 55,848 posts
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    I think its fair to say that brosnans bond movies have aged terribly, even worse than moores in a lot of ways.

    i was thinking that during the top gear show when hammond was running down the brosnan cars. Golden Eye is the best one, obviously, but even that is dated now.

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  • The-Bodybuilder 2 Nov 2012 01:46:18 13,613 posts
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    Aargh. wrote:
    I don't think Mendes has planted it right back, he has got it so that it's like a modern version of the Connery films. Don't forget that we had invisible cars and space lasers by the end of Brosnan.
    We had space lasers in moonraker (my personal most hated bond movie).
  • craigy Senior UI Designer, Gamer Network 2 Nov 2012 09:11:33 7,386 posts
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    Some general observations:


    - Where did Felix Leiter go? He was one of the best things about the first two DC Bond films, but he's nowhere to be found.
    - What happened to the "Tosca" group of villains from QoS? They were framed as the most threatening, secret group in the world, but there's no mention of them here.
    - All of the exposition about Bond's background went too far -- alluding to his past is great (see the Vesper/Train scene in CR -- "And since your first thought about me
    ran to orphan..." ), but outright revealing his full background is cheap.
    - The generic cyberterrorism plot is boring and insulting. "OMG he's haxxed our mainframes". Die Hard 4 anyoneone? The eco-terrorist villain in QoS is way more believable.
    - DC is looking a bit craggy and old. I'm not sure how much of that can be attributed to makeup.
    - It felt like a feature length episode of Spooks :(
  • LeoliansBro 2 Nov 2012 09:14:02 41,863 posts
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    It's apparently the Bond film with the most time spent in London, to answer your last point. And I wondered about Quantum as well.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • beastmaster 2 Nov 2012 09:20:42 10,172 posts
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    Quantum it was decided didn't work. "We're done with that!" Graig has said.

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  • Deleted user 2 November 2012 09:44:31
    Craig.

    Felix wasn't in it because there was no role for him. Why shoehorn him in?
  • Blakester 2 Nov 2012 10:36:20 3,347 posts
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    roz123 wrote:
    The bit where they set up traps in the house was nicked from home alone
    Child of the 90's perchance?

    Because Peckinpah's Straw Dogs did it first and is obviously the main influence.

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  • Dougs 2 Nov 2012 10:48:17 64,887 posts
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    I half expected Felix to make an appearance when they said "we still have some friends in the CIA" but it would have been fleeting and a bit pointless for such a major character.
  • roz123 2 Nov 2012 10:50:33 7,107 posts
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    I was just taking the piss out of this average film
  • craigy Senior UI Designer, Gamer Network 2 Nov 2012 11:02:36 7,386 posts
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    @Aargh. He was fairly prominent in the first two movies, has a solid relationship with Bond, was interesting in his own right, and they don't consider him for the third film. They dropped him even though he had his own unfinished arc (he was promoted to section chief at the end of QoS) that hinted at him becoming a major player in the next movie. Then... nothing. Why set something up only to ignore it? I guess it all falls under the disappointment of the third film not fully following the arc the first two.
  • roz123 2 Nov 2012 11:09:09 7,107 posts
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    Was everyone else thinking during the big expensive tube crash "why is this one empty? Its supposed to be rush hour"
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