DB's guide to antivirus and internet security

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  • Dirtbox 17 Dec 2009 04:58:07 79,601 posts
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    *Updated December 2nd 2010*

    These threads keep popping up, so it's time to revise a snippet of my old software guide and cover the basics of keeping your PC safe, secure and shit free.

    Antivirus: [link=http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/">MS Security Essentials is the best of the lot right now with the best detection rate out of all the freebies in a Avira (

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  • Deleted user 17 December 2009 06:26:01
    Thanks DB. I use more or less the same as you, but have been using PG for the blacklists. I'll give the hosts file thing a try.
  • Dirtbox 17 Dec 2009 06:35:46 79,601 posts
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    Peer Guardian's main job is to block anti p2p IPs, it's not a lot of use against ads or malware. It does factor them, but it's update list is flakey and both the ad and spyware lists are defunct with no update lists behind them (this might be editable, but I haven't seen any alternative download locations). Also it doesn't play well with Windows 7.

    Not good enough imho, and is starting to show all the signs of a dead project.

    Far better is Blocklist Manager which has all sorts of blocking options, but I personally find it to be a little too aggressive. It is customisable, but there are far too many things to change so you're at the point where neither your browsing or relative security is impacted.

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  • Tabasco 17 Dec 2009 07:29:03 5,782 posts
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    Hey DB, good work :o)

    I've been using the Virgin Media suite that you get free with them. What are your thoughts on this? As I understand it, PC Guard is a VM themed Kaspersky package.
  • Dirtbox 17 Dec 2009 07:36:20 79,601 posts
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    I believe in using the right tool for the job. Kapersky is a great antivirus, one of the best even, but it's a bit of a resource hog. I'd say the package was a bit bloated in general, but I'm certain it does a fine job.

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  • nickthegun 17 Dec 2009 07:36:43 61,703 posts
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    Only old people and downers need av.

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  • Dirtbox 17 Dec 2009 07:39:38 79,601 posts
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    And prolific porn dogs.

    ...

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  • Tabasco 17 Dec 2009 07:39:49 5,782 posts
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    Cheers DB. To be honest it does seem to take a while to get started at boot up but I don't seem to have have any bad stuff happening...
  • Dirtbox 17 Dec 2009 08:19:46 79,601 posts
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    More to stop unwanted outgoings than incomings, but yeah I'd say so.

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  • President_Weasel 17 Dec 2009 08:33:04 9,777 posts
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    bah, I just bought nod32 for another 2 years and now I feel slightly less secure.
  • Blerk Moderator 17 Dec 2009 08:33:41 48,225 posts
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    Comodo's firewall uses fewer resources than Windows own? Really? How surprising!

    /makes notes
  • Deleted user 17 December 2009 08:50:15
    Is it worth going through this TrialPay promotion thing to get Avira Premium/Pro for free? It wants you to sign up for various other services, like LoveFilm, eMusic etc. I think I can cancel eMusic before the trial ends, but it specifically states you can't cancel the free Lovefilm trial before paid subscription begins.

    Thanks for the tips DB, I'd just installed a new trial of ESET Nod32 aswell! D'oh.
  • Dirtbox 17 Dec 2009 08:53:25 79,601 posts
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    No idea, I've become completely blind to "offers" as most want credit card details and some sort of purchase somewhere down the line.

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  • nickthegun 17 Dec 2009 09:04:04 61,703 posts
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    I think you might have scared a few people here, DB.

    Just to clarify, NoD32 is still a good program. Your computer wont explode or send your bank details to a chinese guy just because you resubbed. Its just that it isnt an industry leader anymore, but the chances are that will be addressed in a future revision.

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  • morriss 17 Dec 2009 09:06:33 71,294 posts
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    READ, morriss. READ!
  • Retroid Moderator 17 Dec 2009 09:07:35 45,362 posts
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    :D
  • Kill_Crazy 17 Dec 2009 09:08:01 2,392 posts
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    Norton IS is fine IMO. Have used it for years. What makes it bad in your book, Dirtbox? Resources?
  • Deleted user 17 December 2009 09:08:51
    But Avira "basic" does the job?
  • morriss 17 Dec 2009 09:09:04 71,294 posts
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    I will add my voice to the NoD32 love, however. 'Tus very good.

    Good work though, deebs.
  • Dirtbox 17 Dec 2009 09:09:18 79,601 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    I think you might have scared a few people here, DB.

    Just to clarify, NoD32 is still a good program. Your computer wont explode or send your bank details to a chinese guy just because you resubbed. Its just that it isnt an industry leader anymore, but the chances are that will be addressed in a future revision.
    Well, yes and no. It's still a good program, yes and it will catch most of what's out there, but after having used it for years I wasn't happy to find that it let at least 3 separate viruses go. As it went, they weren't bad infections, they were fairly benign but I'd rather not take the risk with it in the future.

    Versions 2, 3 and 4 missed the problems, so I can't see any future revisions nailing it any time soon.

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  • Blerk Moderator 17 Dec 2009 09:09:36 48,225 posts
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    I've lost count of the number of machines I've had to clean of horrible nasties which were supposedly 'protected' by Norton or McAfee.
  • Dirtbox 17 Dec 2009 09:11:40 79,601 posts
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    Kill_Crazy wrote:
    Norton IS is fine IMO. Have used it for years. What makes it bad in your book, Dirtbox? Resources?
    Resources, false positives, most of the bloat being there to protect the program rather than your computer, intrusive, scaremongering, PC World bundling stinking sack of dog shit. It's probably worse than anything you can be infected with.

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  • Kill_Crazy 17 Dec 2009 09:11:45 2,392 posts
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    ecosse_011172 wrote:
    Norton is the worst software ever written, avoid it.

    Just not true.
  • nickthegun 17 Dec 2009 09:14:37 61,703 posts
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    The fact is that no software is infallible and to really protect yourself you need to use a few programs in conjunction with each other, which can lead to its own problems.

    The other week, for example, I looked at a machine that kept crashing because AVG and Trend kept bumming each other.

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  • PearOfAnguish 17 Dec 2009 09:16:24 7,527 posts
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    Kill_Crazy wrote:
    ecosse_011172 wrote:
    Norton is the worst software ever written, avoid it.

    Just not true.

    Actually quite accurate. It's fucking horrible. You'd get more protection from viruses by shoving Lemsip in the DVD drive.
  • Kill_Crazy 17 Dec 2009 09:17:45 2,392 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    Kill_Crazy wrote:
    Norton IS is fine IMO. Have used it for years. What makes it bad in your book, Dirtbox? Resources?
    Resources, false positives, most of the bloat being there to protect the program rather than your computer, intrusive, scaremongering, PC World bundling stinking sack of dog shit.

    Quite a dislike then! I kind of agree on resources (last few additions being much better) but i'm not plagued by false positives, find it quite customisable but also good for new pc users once setup correctly. I used to hate it years back when it would cripple your resources and generally screw up your system but after using it again have not had any problems in the last 4 years
  • Dirtbox 17 Dec 2009 09:18:04 79,601 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    The fact is that no software is infallible and to really protect yourself you need to use a few programs in conjunction with each other, which can lead to its own problems.

    The other week, for example, I looked at a machine that kept crashing because AVG and Trend kept bumming each other.
    Well yeah, running 2 AVs on one PC is asking for trouble because both are rummaging about looking for things that are rummaging about.

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