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  • StringBeanJean 18 Nov 2009 15:06:57 1,777 posts
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    Beat is brialliant but Bit Trip Core is nowhere near as good, I wouldn't bother but it is cheap. I don't think the latest one is out yet?
  • mrpon 18 Nov 2009 21:10:13 29,183 posts
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    Downloaded Nyx, very nice. Great fun surfing the blocks! Could be a purchase.

    In fact all the demos could result in a purchase! Why didn't Ninty think of this earlier?!

    Give yourself Ł5 or ˝ gig, you're worth it.

  • figaro7 18 Nov 2009 21:17:46 1,366 posts
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    Hopefully excitebike comes out this week! Still gotta finish lost winds 2 though!
  • Dan234 20 Nov 2009 18:54:33 2,235 posts
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    20/11/2009...

    Shootanto: Evolutionary Mayhem (Hudson, 500 points, NL 6/10, Metacritic 60)
    Pokémon Rumble (Nintendo, 1500 points, NL 8/10, Metacritic 66)

    New demos...

    Pokémon Rumble
    World of Goo
  • FairgroundTown 20 Nov 2009 19:00:34 2,522 posts
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    Oooo - more demos! I will give WoG a go - I tried the PC demo, and found it rather difficult with a track-pad, but everyone says how good it is, so...
  • Dan234 27 Nov 2009 18:14:10 2,235 posts
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    27/11/2009...

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  • Der_tolle_Emil 27 Nov 2009 18:43:02 7,301 posts
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    Isn't Bit.Trip Void also available as of today? I have seen reviews of it, maybe it's just out in the US.
  • Dan234 27 Nov 2009 20:49:55 2,235 posts
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    It came out in the US at the start of the week, but it's not out here yet.
  • Retroid Moderator 27 Nov 2009 21:09:20 44,967 posts
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    Demos should really have been standard on these from the very beginning, no way am I going to drop cash on something I can only see a tiny screenshot of (and video reviews of these are rare).
  • redcrayon 27 Nov 2009 23:42:05 4,567 posts
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    Too right, demos of Nyx Quest and World of Goo have encouraged me to buy them.

    No demo=not much faith in the quality of your own game=no sale.

    Recently I downloaded the gyromancer demo on steam, only to find that the demo only lets you complete one board- full marks to the World of Goo developers for putting a good 90 minutes of play on the demo.
  • Dan234 1 Dec 2009 18:14:24 2,235 posts
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    Five WiiWare games which have demo versions available climb the charts shocker.

    WiiWare Demo Program Proving Successful

    Does Nintendo really know how the game industry that well if they didn't think of this before?
  • Der_tolle_Emil 1 Dec 2009 22:58:35 7,301 posts
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    Producing demos costs money. The point of WiiWare was to keep it cheap even for the developers. Having to make a demo is a bit of a contradiction; And I am saying "having to" because games without demos will sell a lot less than games with demos, even if they are better. Once people know that they can have demos they won't care about games without - at least not the ones who don't read any online reviews.

    Nevertheless I think it's necessary. A demo can pay off but for this the game has to be good. I'm sure it's no coincidence that the games on WiiWare that now have demos pretty much are the best games out there on WiiWare.

    I am a bit surprised however that Nintendo chose the good games for demos. It would have been somewhat typical to choose bad games and then say: "I told you demos don't do anything".

    Let's hope the trend with demos continues. I'm pretty sure that the whole idea behind demos for DS games was a massive failure (on the Nintendo channel) so let's hope this one fairs a bit better.
  • Deleted user 1 December 2009 22:59:48
    actually, I've noticed the number of DS demos seems to have ticked up as well recently.
  • redcrayon 1 Dec 2009 23:06:41 4,567 posts
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    I agree with virtually all of your post, but how could the demo of Nyx quest or World of Goo cost much? They are just the first level/area stripped out, aren't they?

    If you mean producing demos for older VC games that don't have easily partitionable structures, then yeah, I see what you mean.

    Someone up thread suggested that older games come with a timelock of 10 or 15 minutes and no save files- I think that's a good idea, as there's no way I'm touching most of the 8-bit stuff without some kind of idea how it plays, I got burnt a few times back in the day!

    /aimed at Der_Tolle rather than Lord
  • Deleted user 1 December 2009 23:10:21
    demos have to be produced, tested, rated, distributed and marketed.
  • redcrayon 1 Dec 2009 23:12:27 4,567 posts
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    Ah, fair enough.
  • Dan234 2 Dec 2009 07:24:46 2,235 posts
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    I think demos will be wheeled out when sales start to flag. Sort of like making Opera free again, Nintendo had nothing to lose anyway.
  • Der_tolle_Emil 2 Dec 2009 10:50:12 7,301 posts
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    The costs of a demo vary greatly between the different kinds of games. Offering just two or three levels from World of Goo is easy because that should be enough to tell players what they can expect.

    Some games are really not suited for a demo. Take a look at Crackdown (comes to my mind because it is now available on Games on Demand on the 360). It's a completely open world, there is no order in which you have to do things and a lot of fun comes from exploring the city and seeing how it all gets easier when you level up. That aspect is completely missing from the demo and a lot of people have said that they didn't buy the game because they didn't enjoy the demo - everyone who did buy the game eventually said though that the demo really gave the wrong impression.

    But the biggest problem is what lord mentioned - testing, getting the demo rated and certified by Nintendo etc.
  • JetSetWilly 2 Dec 2009 10:52:17 5,721 posts
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    Dan234 wrote:
    I think demos will be wheeled out when sales start to flag. Sort of like making Opera free again, Nintendo had nothing to lose anyway.

    Yep, I think that's exactly what they'll do.
  • Tonka 2 Dec 2009 10:54:53 20,749 posts
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    Hello,
    I'm looking for fun multiplayer games for WiiWAre to play in the office. World of Goo was absolutely brilliant for this as was "Castle Crashers" (I know it's on the Xbox) surely there must be more games that let four players have a go at once.

    If you can read this you really need to fiddle with your forum settings.

  • Deleted user 2 December 2009 11:01:59
    Driift Mania of course!
  • Deleted user 2 December 2009 11:04:38
    Tetris Party. Bomberman Blast supports up to 8 players.
  • chasejamie 2 Dec 2009 14:03:36 817 posts
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    I second Driift Mania.
  • TechnoHippy 4 Dec 2009 11:35:50 14,719 posts
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    This looks excellent :-)

    http://kotaku.com/5417603/muscle-march-buffs-up-wiiware-next-year

    My books, contests, reviews and author interviews on my blog

  • Dan234 4 Dec 2009 13:44:30 2,235 posts
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    This doesn't...

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  • FairgroundTown 4 Dec 2009 14:31:34 2,522 posts
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    Der_tolle_Emil wrote:
    I'm pretty sure that the whole idea behind demos for DS games was a massive failure (on the Nintendo channel) so let's hope this one fairs a bit better.
    Well the DS Demos are spectacularly well hidden. But I'm sure it was, as Special Agent Oso would say "All part of the plan!" (I'm sure lots of people in the industry don't want demos, because it will ultimately mean that a bad game won't sell ANYTHING.)
  • Dan234 11 Dec 2009 16:57:01 2,235 posts
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    11/12/2009...

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    Tales of Monkey Island: Chapter 4 (Telltale Games, 1000 points, NL 8/10, Metacritic 80).
  • Dan234 17 Dec 2009 19:32:28 2,235 posts
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    Nothing to see here, move along...

    18/12/2009...

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  • Oh-Bollox 17 Dec 2009 19:55:37 5,324 posts
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    Cheers for doing this Dan. Is there a rota of posting jobs I don't know about, or what?
  • Dan234 18 Dec 2009 11:13:21 2,235 posts
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    Only 80 more hours of community service to go...
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