The British Empire: Your opinions on it Page 7

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  • FWB 23 Sep 2009 20:30:30 44,583 posts
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    You can clearly argue the "good" they did was far outweighed by the "bad" and a more thoughtful leadership would have been far more successful. The assertion is more that DESPITE Stalin and co, the Soviet Union was able to defeat Nazi Germany. Not because of them.
  • RedSparrows 23 Sep 2009 20:37:10 22,734 posts
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    Well, that assertion is probably more true than not. As I said, we're reading from the same page.

    My gripe was more that your post didn't take into account the USSR's own efforts: not the leadership, but the efforts of the people and the Soviet's own industry. Which isn't very fair ;p
  • ploder 23 Sep 2009 20:54:58 243 posts
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    I think ploder hit the nail on the head, it's a little like feeling pride for the manner in which a rape was carried out by saying that everybody was raping back in those days, and comparatively our rape was relatively kind. And what's more, for a small country, we sure did manage to rape lots of countries. :D I'm so proud.
    Indeed, I guess I find it hard to stomach the word 'proud' in the same sentence as colonialism. Maybe it has something to do with having family from a past colony and all the bs and anguish (the media didn't even tell you a small fraction of what was going on) peoples had to go through to become free again. That is what we are talking about here; the freedom of self-determination, being able to choose a representative. It doesn't matter how nice a man is if he has his foot on your neck. I think those on the receiving end of colonialism would have a very different opinion on its effects. It was about money but the effects are not so constrained.

    What I find especially interesting is the conditioning ordinary people were subject to. Exploitation wrapped up in patriotism and sold to the general public as being for the victims good too. It never ceases to amaze how a bunch of crooks at the top of society make deplorable decisions and then encourage the rest to be morally blind to the outcomes. This didn't end with colonialism. It is still going on today in places such as China and Dubai where exploitative working practices are wrapped up as 'economic success'. The moral blindfold slips off eventually, but not until the crooks have made off with the loot.
  • Deleted user 23 September 2009 21:39:28
    ploder wrote:

    What I find especially interesting is the conditioning ordinary people were subject to. Exploitation wrapped up in patriotism and sold to the general public as being for the victims good too. It never ceases to amaze how a bunch of crooks at the top of society make deplorable decisions and then encourage the rest to be morally blind to the outcomes. This didn't end with colonialism. It is still going on today in places such as China and Dubai where exploitative working practices are wrapped up as 'economic success'. The moral blindfold slips off eventually, but not until the crooks have made off with the loot.

    Or we stop buying Nike trainers.
  • ploder 24 Sep 2009 14:56:53 243 posts
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    I don't think boycott is the answer either. That'll just encourage the bugs to crawl under different stones. They'll ditch one factory and go to the next. Unfortunately the best solution is the hardest to implement, encourage them to have fair working practices. It also involves people caring about what happens to their fellow humans.
  • mcmonkeyplc 24 Sep 2009 14:59:56 39,457 posts
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    I wonder what the empire would have done with District 9.....Hmmm

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • Telepathic.Geometry 24 Sep 2009 15:02:14 11,324 posts
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    That was a great fucking movie. XD

    || PSN Barrysama || NNID Barrysama ||

  • wizbob 24 Sep 2009 17:09:22 779 posts
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    ploder wrote:
    I don't think boycott is the answer either. That'll just encourage the bugs to crawl under different stones. They'll ditch one factory and go to the next. Unfortunately the best solution is the hardest to implement, encourage them to have fair working practices. It also involves people caring about what happens to their fellow humans.

    There's another fine word that the British Empire inspired.
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