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  • orpheus 9 Jan 2014 07:31:32 984 posts
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    @Roddles

    Yeah, given your results I'm inclined to point the finger at the mobo/chip. Damn thing won't settle at lower voltages. I might get slightly better temps with a fixed OC instead of an offset/boost OC, but not keen on the power consumption (or the faffing about, I suppose).

    Never did have much luck in lotteries! Cheers again chap. :)
  • Roddles 9 Jan 2014 08:27:14 1,427 posts
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    Pleasure :)
  • Sharzam 9 Jan 2014 19:26:54 2,107 posts
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    Personally i tend to avoid using offset values when over-clocking. Not that at that anything wrong with it, but i personally much rather know exactly what i am setting, and ultimately looking at how temps work at THAT voltage.

    But as you point out it is a bit of a faff having to manually balance it all out. If you have the time thourgh to do it its well worth as you get exactly the maximum OC you want.

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  • DodgyPast 10 Jan 2014 14:53:54 8,333 posts
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    4tb WD green drive for 125 seemed pretty good value and I could do with a bit more headroom.
  • sanctusmortis 13 Jan 2014 11:45:48 9,590 posts
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    Right, I'm looking at throwing about 200 at a PC upgrade soon (birthday money yaaaaaaaaaaay) and here's the plan at the minute:

    AMD 760K CPU
    Gigabyte GA-F2A88XM-DS2 M-ATX Motherboard
    8GB G-Skill 2133MHz memory

    It means I have to stick with my creaky old 1GB 5570 GPU for now, but I can get a new one and a better PSU later in the year when I have a bit more money again anyway. Tempted to push a bit more cash in and get the 6800k (oddly cheaper than the 6700) or indeed wait on the 7850k (which is the first Mantle-equipped APU), but that'd likely double the CPU cost (760k is a measly 65 right now, the APUs are around 110).

    Thoughts?
  • TVoJ 13 Jan 2014 13:19:08 1,376 posts
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    @sanctusmortis

    Unless you do plan on getting an APU in the future don't bother with the 2133mhz ram.

    Offers no improvement over 1600mhz unless coupling up with an apu.

    If it's cheaper than the 1600 equivalent then go for it, but it probably isn't. Save your dollar.
  • sanctusmortis 13 Jan 2014 13:58:13 9,590 posts
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    I'm torn, as I'd save 20 by not going for the fast memory, but if I get enough cash then I'll get an APU (it'd be far better graphics-wise than my 5570) and then it's really useful.

    Of course, if I stick with the 760K and 1600MHz memory, I could also afford a new, better PSU and a new DVD drive (current one's still on IDE) which are two upgrades I've put off, or indeed a new 1TB HDD to replace the current 640GB one that seems to be having issues lately...
  • FutileResistor 13 Jan 2014 20:05:05 1,201 posts
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    @santusmortis

    I would go for a Haswell i3 with a B85 motherboard. It's about 20 more but would handily outperform the FX CPUs in games. Benchmarks.

    Since RAM speed doesn't matter going the intel route you should be able to save some money there and come out even.

    My real advice would be to wait until you have the budget for an i5, in which case you would not need to upgrade for at least 6 years.
  • huh_what 13 Jan 2014 20:36:56 640 posts
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    Yeah, the number one piece of advice i read when i was looking into upgrading a couple of months back was "get at least an i5, don't touch AMD". My understanding is that they are a goood bit off the pace at this stage and i used to always pick them for my builds in years past.

    The Something Awful PC upgrading thread has the subtitle "Friends don't let friends buy AMD".
  • grey_matters 13 Jan 2014 20:55:30 3,376 posts
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    @sanctusmortis
    What is your current Cpu? There may be a case for sticking a decent graphics card in now and upgrading everything else later. It may be the best return on your money if it is mostly games that you are interested in.
  • ResidentKnievel 13 Jan 2014 22:09:23 5,867 posts
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    AMD's FX CPU's are decent enough on the budget end, I wouldn't recommend someone an i3 over an FX6300, unless they want to emulate or play Skyrim (which are the things I do the most but I bought an FX4130 /o\).

    But anyway, I'd wait until to tomorrow to see how much the new AMD APU's are going to cost and how they benchmark, they could turn out to be the best option.

    Edited by ResidentKnievel at 22:53:36 13-01-2014

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  • ResidentKnievel 13 Jan 2014 22:40:01 5,867 posts
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    Also, according to wikipedia, the FX-line of CPU's is dead, looks like AMD will only be doing APU's from now on.

    Gaming CPU's are stagnating and dying off, not that faster ones are really needed.

    Edited by ResidentKnievel at 22:42:38 13-01-2014

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  • sanctusmortis 14 Jan 2014 13:01:11 9,590 posts
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    @grey_matters not an option, really: currently using an AM2+ motherboard with an X2 5000+ CPU. The whole main board setup needs replacing, as the CPU is the bottleneck for the system. Yup, even to a creaky old 5570.
  • sanctusmortis 14 Jan 2014 13:06:09 9,590 posts
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    Sadly, yeah, APUs are the AMD future now. Not sure it bodes well for any decent per-core performance from them ever again, which after they made the best CPU I ever had (the Athlon Thunderbird clocked at 1GHz, which at the time was a true beast of a chip) is a damn shame.
  • sanctusmortis 14 Jan 2014 13:09:35 9,590 posts
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    Well, Dabs have prices up for the Kaveri APUs: 130 for the top of the range A7850K, with Battlefield 4 bundled. That is pretty darn tempting, but it puts my build up to 255...
  • ResidentKnievel 14 Jan 2014 15:27:39 5,867 posts
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    It's more to pay now, but you wouldn't need to get a GPU for a good long while, do these new APU's do hybrid crossfire?

    [code]Armoured_Bear wrote:
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  • sanctusmortis 14 Jan 2014 16:20:15 9,590 posts
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    Yeah, they hybrid crossfire just as before, so that could be great in the future.
  • sanctusmortis 14 Jan 2014 16:24:17 9,590 posts
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    FutileResistor wrote:
    @santusmortis

    I would go for a Haswell i3 with a B85 motherboard. It's about 20 more but would handily outperform the FX CPUs in games. Benchmarks.

    Since RAM speed doesn't matter going the intel route you should be able to save some money there and come out even.

    My real advice would be to wait until you have the budget for an i5, in which case you would not need to upgrade for at least 6 years.
    The problem then, though, is they're due an overhaul this year too (Haswell-E) and the GPU becomes a real issue. With the 7850K, I have at least semi-decent graphics I can build on, even if the CPU isn't that great.
  • ResidentKnievel 14 Jan 2014 17:35:10 5,867 posts
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    sanctusmortis wrote:
    Yeah, they hybrid crossfire just as before, so that could be great in the future.
    I dunno, I've caught up by reading the anandtech review and it says they only work with R7 graphics with DDR3 memory. I think that limits you to the 240 or 250, might be limiting and AMD have been vague on the performance.

    [code]Armoured_Bear wrote:
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  • sanctusmortis 14 Jan 2014 17:42:07 9,590 posts
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    Hmm. The other issue is even though GPU becomes a bottleneck I've found i5 4440 Haswell chips at the same price. A H87 board's about 65, memory 50... it's actually cheaper. It means I really would be stuck with the 5570 for now, though.
  • ResidentKnievel 14 Jan 2014 17:46:17 5,867 posts
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    6800k doesn't come off too badly in those benchmarks.

    I think your options are:

    A. Spend a little bit now and a lot in the future by sticking with your original plan and later getting a beefier GPU and PSU.

    B. Spend a lot now and a little in the future by getting a 7850K and maybe an R7 GPU later.

    C. Spend a medium amount now and lot in the future by getting an i3 and a beefier GPU and PSU later.

    C is the most future proof, I think A and B are great for short term but you'd run in to bandwidth and CPU bottlenecks sooner or later.

    [code]Armoured_Bear wrote:
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  • sanctusmortis 14 Jan 2014 17:53:57 9,590 posts
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    The i5/H87 pair is mighty tempting, I admit. The 5570 is still, worryingly enough, well within the minimum of pretty much any game right now, so I could live with it til later in the year and then hope to pick up a decent-ish GPU used off of Amazon (trust it more than eBay, plus no Paypal).

    Hmm. HMM. I hate picking PC parts!
  • Sharzam 14 Jan 2014 21:38:44 2,107 posts
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    What's the real differences in size between micro atx and mini itx? I know dimensions but in terms of real world is it really different.

    With the launch of the AMD 7850k I thought I would finally get around to building that baby pc for the living room. So size and quiet are the priorities however the new fm2+ motherboards seem to only come in atx flavours.

    I am thinking the APU and 2133mhz ram, not looking to do dual graphics just want small and efficient for gaming in the living room. Thinking all those lovely little games in my steam collection. I have my i7 and gtx770 desktop for serious stuff. Or sod it and stick to my consoles for the living room?

    Edited by Sharzam at 21:51:36 14-01-2014

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  • sanctusmortis 15 Jan 2014 18:00:22 9,590 posts
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    Real world difference is that there's less features on the board - fewer SATA ports etc.
  • TVoJ 15 Jan 2014 18:33:35 1,376 posts
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    Bollocks. My z77 mini ITx board has more features than most of the atx boards I was looking at at the time. I particularly wanted wake on LAN and this was one of the only boards I could find it on.

    If you want mini itx you're pretty much stuck with Intel. Amd's offerings are paultry in comparison.
  • sanctusmortis 16 Jan 2014 14:54:12 9,590 posts
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    That's not physical ports though, is it, which is what I said.
  • orpheus 22 Jan 2014 18:39:59 984 posts
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    Ok chaps - this:

    Gainward 780

    or this:

    EVGA 780

    ?

    Edited because I suck at links.

    Edited by orpheus at 18:41:09 22-01-2014
  • PenguinJim 23 Jan 2014 02:33:15 5,444 posts
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    Do evga still offer a lifetime warranty?
  • Gartt 23 Jan 2014 12:05:14 1,687 posts
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    Id say the EVGA, the ACX is pretty much the best cooler for a 780.

    Edited by Gartt at 12:05:35 23-01-2014
  • mcmonkeyplc 23 Jan 2014 12:07:54 38,847 posts
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    Hello bob cats.

    A friend of mine is interested in joining the PC gaming era but doesn't know what parts to pick.

    Can you please help?

    Needs to be from scratch and cost no more than X1.

    Danke.

    Come and get it cumslingers!

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