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  • morriss 3 Nov 2013 20:59:50 71,034 posts
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    I'd try and get a higher clock speed on your RAM if poss.

    /two cents
  • richardiox 3 Nov 2013 21:30:53 5,611 posts
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    Can't believe Mowgs is finally getting a gaming PC after years of repetitively rubbishing the format. You're doing the right thing!
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    I've enjoyed having a sense of humour up until now!

    Cheers morris will look at alternatives.
  • Rodpad 3 Nov 2013 23:50:47 1,923 posts
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    morriss wrote:
    I'd try and get a higher clock speed on your RAM if poss.

    /two cents
    Memory speed is not a bottleneck for gaming and makes no difference to your framerate.

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/memory-bandwidth-latency-gaming,3409-6.html

    Edited by Roddles at 23:53:10 03-11-2013
  • Bremenacht 4 Nov 2013 00:22:14 18,458 posts
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    What do you think of this then?

    http://www.hardocp.com/news/2013/10/21/battlefield_4_loves_high_speed_memory

    Could be advertising, maybe.
  • Duffking 4 Nov 2013 00:40:13 7,269 posts
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    Gaaah there's a great game hidden here but it runs so badly ;_;
  • Phattso Moderator 4 Nov 2013 02:02:47 13,345 posts
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    I know it doesn't belong technically in the 'budget' thread, and is fuck all use to mowgli, but having an SSD made a night and day difference to my build. It transformed the whole experience - booting in just a few seconds (to usability too, not some facsimile if a usable OS), firing up games in double-quick time, reducing loads between levels (Starcraft II is now bearable, as was Deus Ex HR!) etc. etc. I'm betting that, compared even to the new consoles with their optimised installs, it's a 'next gen' feature all on its own.

    I don't think I could ever go back to a mechanical drive.


    @mowgli you wanted to be able to play Battlefield 4 at 1080p, presumably with at least as much fidelity as the new conslols which means 'high' detail and 60fps (ish). Have you confirmed 100% that there are no bottlenecks in your proposed system that might stop you achieving that?

    Can anyone in here confirm that? I confess that I had an Intel/nVidia bias when I built my PC, and didn't even look at the AMD options, so I'm no use on this one.

    Just be a shame for you to drop 400 on some hardware that doesn't necessarily do the job you mainly want it to.
  • FutileResistor 4 Nov 2013 06:59:35 1,237 posts
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    mowgli wrote:
    Excuse the poor copy pasting I'm on tablet. This is what I'm looking at/any thoughts?

    Corsair CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 Vengeance 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600 Mhz CL9 XMP Performance Desktop Memory Kit Black - Corsair
    62.13

    AvP Defender 100 Mesh Front Mini Tower Case for PC - Black - AvP
    16.99

    Sapphire 11199-19-20G AMD Radeon HD 7870 Dual-X OC 2GB GDDR5 Graphics Card (HDMI, DVI-I, DVI-D, Display Port, PCI Express 3.0, 256-Bit, AMD CrossFireX Multi-GPU Technology) - SAPPHIRE
    146.90

    Asus M5A78L-M/USB3 Motherboard (Socket AM3+, Up to 16GB DDR3, USB 3.0, uATX) - Asus
    51.08

    AMD FX6300 Black Edition 6 Core (3.5/4.1GHz, 8MB Level 3 Cache, 6MB Level 2 Cache, Socket AM3+, 95W, Retail Boxed) - AMD
    84.87

    Corsair Builder Series CX 500 Watt ATX/EPS 80 PLUS Bronze Power Supply Unit - Corsair
    43.23

    Subtotal: 405
    Memory speed is almost irrelevant when it comes to performance. It's not going to come back in stock until NOV 13th but this at 49.73 is about as cheap as you can get just now for 8GB of decent RAM. So you can save about 12 for no difference in performance.

    It might be worth swapping the 7870 for this 7950 for 175. Obviously this is a reference cooler vs the Sapphire's custom cooler but it's also a 7950 vs a 7870.

    I'm not a big fan of going the AMD route for the CPU but given the next-gen consoles have such laughable CPU power, it kind of doesn't matter. However your mother board does not have SATA 6GB which will be a problem when you get an SSD. I suggest the Asus M5A97 LE R2.0 for 55 instead.

    Sticking to your budget, I would personally go for a Haswell i3 with a B85 motherboard which despite being dual core would easily match the FX6300 in games and would allow for an upgrade to an i5 at a later date. An Intel Core i3-4130 from Aria is 84 and you can get a B85 motherboard for 45-55, so the price is roughly the same or a little bit less.

    Since this build shouldn't break 380W at load, you could also swap the CX500 for a CX430 or XFX Core Pro 450 for around 35.

    Edited by FutileResistor at 07:14:32 04-11-2013
  • FutileResistor 4 Nov 2013 07:13:39 1,237 posts
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    Phattso wrote:
    @mowgli you wanted to be able to play Battlefield 4 at 1080p, presumably with at least as much fidelity as the new conslols which means 'high' detail and 60fps (ish). Have you confirmed 100% that there are no bottlenecks in your proposed system that might stop you achieving that?

    Can anyone in here confirm that? I confess that I had an Intel/nVidia bias when I built my PC, and didn't even look at the AMD options, so I'm no use on this one.

    Just be a shame for you to drop 400 on some hardware that doesn't necessarily do the job you mainly want it to.
    BF4 will be using AMD's Mantle. Any 7XXX or R9 card should handily beat an equivalently priced Nvidia card for this particular game. The CPU should also be fine, given that the next-gen console CPUs are far weaker.
  • Rodpad 4 Nov 2013 07:25:14 1,923 posts
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    Bremenacht wrote:
    What do you think of this then?

    http://www.hardocp.com/news/2013/10/21/battlefield_4_loves_high_speed_memory

    Could be advertising, maybe.
    "Two overclocked GeForce GTX 780s in SLI"
  • inni786 9 Nov 2013 19:56:57 133 posts
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    Evening all

    Need some advice on a new gaming pc build with a budget of around 600.
    My requirements are to play games at 60fps at 1080p at high settings, not to fussed at ultra but if I can push it to that level that will be a bonus.
    The games I mainly play are FPS ie Battlefield series along with MMO like SWTOR as well as Skyrim.
    My preferences for hardware are Intel for cpu and nvidia for the GPU.
    Case wise do need something that will give good airflow as my roon gets hot in the summer.
    I would like to have a SSD if possible but not sure the budget I have will allow this.
    Any advice will be appreciated.
    cheers
  • ResidentKnievel 14 Nov 2013 19:51:15 6,216 posts
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    updated: better cpu, negligibly worse RAM and storage for less than previous list.

    For anyone underwhelmed with the PS4 and Xbox One launches you can build a PC that's more powerful (on paper, at least) and for a similar price:

    CiT Imp Micro ATX Case Black Mesh Case with 500W PSU Fitted 23.98

    ASRock 960GC-GS FX Socket AM3+ Motherboard 37.15

    Seagate 1TB SATA 3 Performance Hard Drive OEM ST1000DM003 43.98

    XFX Radeon R9 270 Boost AMD Graphics Card - 2GB 137.12

    AMD FX 6300 Black Edition Six Core Processor Socket AM3+ 85.96

    Corsair Memory Desktop 8GB 2 x 4GB DDR3 1600 MHz CAS 11 Dual Channel Desktop 62.16

    Akasa PCI Express Power Cable Adapter 4 pin to 6 pin 2.38 (needed as the PSU doesn't come with a 6-pin connector for GPU)

    Total: 403.70

    I'm sure if you shopped around and/or downgraded the memory you could build one for even cheaper, the 270 comes with Battlefield 4, too. I built a similar and slightly less powerful machine a few months ago and it's the best gaming decision I've made, so many games on PC for so cheap!

    Edited by ResidentKnievel at 23:13:28 16-11-2013

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  • Gartt 16 Nov 2013 13:43:43 1,748 posts
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    Nice, I wouldve got a different mobo though. 2 dimm slots and a single pcie x16 looks very limiting to me.
  • MMMarmite 16 Nov 2013 14:24:51 1,056 posts
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    4 more would have got the MSI B85M-G43 from dabs.ie (more room for expanding) also could have saved 20 by going for a non-modular PSU, I personally don't see the appeal of them but I guess they have their place.

    Pretty decent build though and should give you some decent gaming :)

    Edited by MMMarmite at 14:26:21 16-11-2013
  • overcorpse 16 Nov 2013 15:32:38 273 posts
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    @ResidentKnievel For an extra tenner I'd swap the FX4300 for a FX6300.

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  • Phattso Moderator 16 Nov 2013 16:53:12 13,345 posts
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    MMMarmite wrote:
    could have saved 20 by going for a non-modular PSU, I personally don't see the appeal of them but I guess they have their place.
    More airflow, less clutter. What's not to like?

    I stuck one in my latest build and it was nice not to have to route a fucktonne of useless cables within the case. Never saw the point before, probably wouldn't go back now. :)
  • MMMarmite 16 Nov 2013 21:18:30 1,056 posts
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    @Phattso I tend to route the cables I need and bundle & tie the un-needed at the bottom of the case, doesn't really affect airflow since it's not needed down there ;)

    I guess in a smaller case it's more beneficial but I've not built any PCs that I'd consider small enough to need a modular PSU.
  • ResidentKnievel 16 Nov 2013 22:57:30 6,216 posts
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    overcorpse wrote:
    @ResidentKnievel For an extra tenner I'd swap the FX4300 for a FX6300.
    Good point and more than a tenner can be save by going for cheaper 8GB ram and a HDD. I should update my list.

    I can't comprehend people spending money on Xbox Ones, at least at launch, when it's so expensive and has so few games. You can easily build a more powerful PC for cheaper and instantly have access to huge amount of games and can customize them to your tastes.

    Edited by ResidentKnievel at 23:16:09 16-11-2013

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  • mcmonkeyplc 22 Nov 2013 19:50:18 39,458 posts
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    Any reason why 2x2gb RAM of the same kind won't work with an 8gb RAM chip?

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • mcmonkeyplc 22 Nov 2013 20:03:35 39,458 posts
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    Because the 8gb chip wants to be the daddy chip MCM.

    :)

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • trevd72 26 Nov 2013 00:35:59 19 posts
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    I haven't put together a PC in forever and planning now for the new year.

    I want to keep the cost around 550 with operating system

    At the moment looking to put AMD FX4350 together with a GTX650 Ti. Is this going to be OK? Will the processor hold the card back?
  • TVoJ 26 Nov 2013 01:50:35 1,947 posts
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    I spent about 550, definitely no more, around 3 months ago on a new PC and got a 660ti, i5, and 8 gig of RAM and a nice mobo to boot.

    I could have got it for less but I built a small form factor machine so incurred dick head tax.

    So if your budget is 550 a 650ti is a bit beneath you tbh. Aim higher and shop around.
  • TVoJ 26 Nov 2013 01:51:05 1,947 posts
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    @trevd72 Obvs
  • estoo 27 Nov 2013 12:34:05 2,826 posts
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    Hey guys, got a question for anybody who's got a bit a bit of experience overclocking.

    I'm taking delivery of this monster in the next couple of weeks:


    Corsair Carbide 300R + Window
    3XS ASUS Z87-A MOBO
    Intel Core i7 4770K S1150 +3XS Extreme OC (4.4)
    3XS H80 + 1xSP120L FAN BULK
    CORS 2x4GB VENG PRO 2133 BLACK
    3GB XFX Radeon R9-280X 1000MHz Overclocked Graphics Card

    The question is, since this is being OC'd by the good folks at scan, will I be able to upgrade the RAM with another 2 sticks of the same type (potential xmas gift from the missus) without having to mess around with the OC?
  • captbirdseye 27 Nov 2013 12:36:41 5,029 posts
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    Are you using the system just for gaming? If so, I really wouldn't bother with an i7 (just go for an I5) or extra RAM.
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