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  • orpheus 20 Aug 2013 17:29:50 1,007 posts
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    @Roddles interesting, cheers. May have a play with the settings you mention. Will report back!
  • Phattso Moderator 20 Aug 2013 18:04:15 13,571 posts
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    DUFFKING wrote:
    Same card as me, I just got a GTX 760 and had that issue. It either froze at startup or after 5 minutes play. Download this:

    http://www.nvidia.com/object/physx-9.13.0604-driver.html

    Let it uninstall the physx drivers and install new ones. Sorted it for me. Last Light runs like a dream on my 760, I have the MSI twinfrozr one, with a slight extra overclock and get 60FPS in Last Light basically everywhere (not quite so consistent in 2033 though).
    Gave this a go tonight, but not joy sadly. It did let me play for ten minutes, but then hung in much the same way. Bastard thing. I'll keep an eye out for Last Light in the sales and hope it's less error prone.
  • orpheus 20 Aug 2013 23:39:50 1,007 posts
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    Gaaah. Fuck it. I give up.

    The only way to get this bastard ivy bridge to run at a decent clock is to invest in a better cooler. I'm currently using a (5 year old) Prolimatech Megahalem, which is huge and should more than do the job, but apparently not.

    So, can anyone recommend a better cooler than the megahalem? Hyper 212 looks smaller than my current, which doesn't give me much confidence that it would make much difference, so probably something higher-end than that. No water cooling, closed loop or otherwise.

    Not keen to spend a fortune, but equally don't want to waste money on a low end cooler that'll make no difference over the current one.

    Thoughts?
  • Phattso Moderator 21 Aug 2013 06:45:36 13,571 posts
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    There are many fans of the various Noctua coolers in the thread here. I'm running one myself, the NH-U14S with a single fan, and I think Roddles has a different model with dual fans.

    It's a really quiet cooler, and very efficient. Effing huge, mind, so if you have a tiny case it won't fit.
  • Rodpad 21 Aug 2013 08:32:50 1,968 posts
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    Can't recommend the Noctua coolers enough simply for the quiet fans they use. The big daddy is the NH-D14 which is an ugly beast, but a beast.

    Are you more concerned with temperatures or voltage? Using a better cooler isn't going to lower voltages.
  • orpheus 21 Aug 2013 18:39:46 1,007 posts
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    Roddles wrote:
    Can't recommend the Noctua coolers enough simply for the quiet fans they use. The big daddy is the NH-D14 which is an ugly beast, but a beast.

    Are you more concerned with temperatures or voltage? Using a better cooler isn't going to lower voltages.

    Nah the volt levels are fine, it's simply that to get it stable, the megahalem is coming up 10-15 degrees short. I knew Ivy is hotter than Sandy, but I'm still a bit surprised the Megahalem isn't cutting it. That said, it is 4-5 years old now, and maybe the new ones have more efficient sinks or something.

    Edited by orpheus at 18:40:32 21-08-2013
  • Buztafen 22 Aug 2013 12:15:15 16,376 posts
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    Not sure if its 'budget' worthy but there's a bit of a sale going on at the mo on 670GTX's

    They can be found around the 200 mark which brings them inline with the slightly inferior 760's and 7950's.

    Scan
  • Rodpad 22 Aug 2013 12:23:48 1,968 posts
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    160 here
  • Buztafen 22 Aug 2013 12:38:35 16,376 posts
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    Mental.
  • Duffking 22 Aug 2013 14:01:57 7,357 posts
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    Refund received, order placed for a new IPS monitor.

    Pleasedontbeshitpleasedontbeshitpleasedontbeshit
  • b0rk 22 Aug 2013 14:03:51 2,884 posts
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    That price is O_o

    My 670 cost 349 but that was at release and the DCUII Top is without a doubt the best card I have ever used. It is completely silent even at maximum load.
  • StixxUK 22 Aug 2013 15:48:23 7,264 posts
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    Roddles wrote:
    160 here
    180 now
  • orpheus 22 Aug 2013 21:00:45 1,007 posts
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    Anyone got any experience with H80/H80i closed loop coolers?

    Easy to fit? Anyone got one with a top-mounted PSU? That's the only bit I can see being awkward - if it's so wide at the rear case fan mount that it blocks airflow to the PSU..

    Edited by orpheus at 21:02:50 22-08-2013
  • captbirdseye 22 Aug 2013 21:47:02 5,108 posts
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    @orpheus Description_here better than both those watercoolers and cheaper.

    Edited by captbirdseye at 21:47:44 22-08-2013
  • orpheus 22 Aug 2013 23:21:56 1,007 posts
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    Worth considering. The more I think about the H80, the more I think it'll either block the (top mounted) PSU fan heavily or just not have enough room for the radiator - there's only about 1cm of clearance between the current fan & PSU as it is.

    This really is driving me bonkers now. The CPU & case fans max out at 1200 or so RPM, so now I'm wondering whether to just invest in a couple of higher RPM fans for 25 or so just in case that makes enough difference, or go the whole hog for a Noctua.

    Probably a stupid question, but do heatsinks become less efficient with age? Even at fucking all stock bios (so turbo on to 3.8) and the fucking temps hit 70 - and this is a Megahalem. Granted its a few years old now, but still - it's fucking huge, and clean as a whistle. I know Ivy is hotter than Sandy (this setup used to cool an i5 750 with a decent OC ffs), but that seems wrong as fuck to me.

    It's had a fresh application of AS5 paste recently, it's properly seated... I just don't get it. I've even swapped the fans round just in case I had them the wrong way round, but they're definitely pushing over the HS and pulling out through the rear case vent. I half think I'd get better cooling out of the sodding stock HS! This is why I'm not keen on a Hyper 212 evo or similar, as I have a hard time believing that a smaller HS will do a better job than the megahalem monster.

    Not had this much shit with a hot PC for fucking years and I'm proper at the end of my tether. Bloody bank hol coming up as well, but I won't be able to play sod all at this rate without cooking the damn cpu :(

    Edited by orpheus at 23:34:05 22-08-2013
  • captbirdseye 22 Aug 2013 23:30:00 5,108 posts
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    I generally always change my cooler when upgrading as tech moves on etc. Have you tried using the stock cooler that came with the CPU? That would then rule out a problem with the CPU.

    Honestly, that cooler above outperforms both those watercoolers your looking and it comes in 30-40 quid cheaper. Please be aware of space with above cooler as it's fecking HUGE!
  • orpheus 22 Aug 2013 23:46:54 1,007 posts
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    I haven't actually, that is a good point. I'm leaning towards the DH14, I have to admit, and it's only 5 more expensive than the one linked above. I highly doubt a water one would fit given the PSU location.

    It's a big bastard, but my megahalem is 158.7 tall and has a few mm clearance from the side panel. DH14 is 160... it'll be close, but I think it'll fit. The Megahalem also currently knocks out the closest RAM slot, so since the DH looks like it would too it shouldn't be a massive issue.

    Edited by orpheus at 23:48:39 22-08-2013
  • captbirdseye 22 Aug 2013 23:55:57 5,108 posts
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    @orpheus Yeah, I would double check with the stock cooler but those temps are pretty hot but hopefully it's your old cooler rather than the CPU.

    Really good cooler and pretty similar to the one i linked.
  • orpheus 23 Aug 2013 07:15:02 1,007 posts
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    Yeah fuck it gonna go with the NH-D14, and will pick up an additional higher RPM fan for the rear case exhaust. It'll be here tomorrow.

    Fingers crossed! Appreciate the advice guys :)

    Edited by orpheus at 07:32:36 23-08-2013
  • Rodpad 23 Aug 2013 09:31:51 1,968 posts
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    Hurrah! It's a bit odd to install for the first time, but you'll manage.

    You definitely want to get Speedfan to control your fans with a custom fan curve.

    Here's my sexy curve.



    Under 50 degrees the fans stay at around 47% which equates to around 560 RPM. Inaudible.

    Edited by Roddles at 09:52:02 23-08-2013
  • Phattso Moderator 23 Aug 2013 09:52:35 13,571 posts
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    It took me a shameful 25 minutes to install my Noctua cooler. :) In my defense it has been a while since I built a PC myself, and it's a fucking HUGE beast to try and get both sides screwed in correctly. Also it was 37 degrees outside. So basically I'm a hero, that's the moral of this story.

    But the PC is almost silent. I have to crouch down at the back of the machine just to hear any airflow, even with a taxing game being played (although credit in that case goes to the ASUS GPU coolers). It's pretty sweet.
  • Duffking 23 Aug 2013 11:57:25 7,357 posts
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    Ok, new monitor is fucking GORGEOUS. Wow.
  • Duffking 23 Aug 2013 12:14:45 7,357 posts
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    @Goodfella I got this one:

    http://www.dell.com/bg/business/p/dell-s2240l/pd

    The last one I bought was a disaster, this was 30 quid more and it's just beautiful. Bit shiny on the front but when it's on you can't really tell. The colours are just amazing on it.

    Edit: Aaaah it looks so goooooood

    Edited by DUFFKING at 12:57:33 23-08-2013
  • orpheus 23 Aug 2013 20:08:09 1,007 posts
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    @Roddles

    Ah that looks pretty good, cheers for the info!
  • orpheus 24 Aug 2013 11:39:39 1,007 posts
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    Heh it just arrived, I knew it was going to be big but seeing it is something else!

    Will get it installed tonight. RAM clearance is the only slight worry and I've got some spare low profile DIMMs just in case. Got a decent corsair 2000 RPM fan for the rear case exhaust, kinda tempted to use the 1200 rpm corsair currently in the rear case slot as a front intake fan.

    Nice to see the thing comes with a pwm splitter so I can run both D-14 fans off the CPU fan slot. Can see why you guys rate them: build quality, presentation all excellent, right down to the cable labelling.
  • orpheus 25 Aug 2013 13:23:11 1,007 posts
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    Well, the NH-D14 is in - always a bit scary swapping mobos in & out but no catastrophes!

    It fits just fine, with the exception of the RAM clearance, which I had a feeling might be an issue. I do have some spare low-profile DIMMs but they're only 4 gig, so have left my 8 gig high-profile RAM in there for now and am running the DH-14 on the single 140mm 'between sinks' fan.

    The 120mm front-sink fan will have to stay off for now til I invest in some decent low profile RAM (otherwise I can't close the case due to the higher fan clearance), but it's already a good 10 degrees cooler than the megahalem, with only one of the two fans. Very chuffed all told.

    Have a spare 120mm Corsair fan now after swapping the rear case exhaust for a 2k RPM one. May drop it in the front to help improve the air flow further (so would be Case < Mid Sink < Front Sink < Front Panel), but it means faffing around with the cable routing for the frontplate, so it can wait til I sort new RAM next month.

    Come to think of it, I've never actually taken the frontplate off before. Presume it shouldn't be too hard though. Case is a Coolermaster Elite 332, think it has plugs on the inner front of the case for the frontplate.

    All good fun! Cheers for the advice guys. Can't figure out the speedfan custom profiles for the life of me tho!
  • Fake_Blood 25 Aug 2013 13:37:17 4,294 posts
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    I know ram is cheap but it'd just leave the heatsink with one fan, quieter too.
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