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  • RobTheBuilder 27 Jun 2013 16:30:17 6,521 posts
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    TheSaint wrote:
    How does it compare to the 660?
    760 is better than the 660ti, and virtually the same as a 670.
    Looks a bargain for the money.

    The MSI twin frozr one is very quiet too according to DF review
  • TheSaint 27 Jun 2013 16:41:58 14,269 posts
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    That's the one I went for in the end. £200 from dabs using the Paypal voucher.
  • FutileResistor 27 Jun 2013 19:34:51 1,226 posts
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    Scirvir wrote:
    Any recommendations for an ultra-budget graphics card? My 4870 is dying, to the degree that I can't even watch a video in MPC without the whole system crashing. This 6670 for £44 caught my eye on Amazon, but I don't really have any clue whether it's any good or if there's something much better value out there.
    I would suggest a used Radeon 7850 or 7870 off Ebay for £50 - £60 which would comfortably beat a new 7770 which are currently £80 plus.

    Edited by FutileResistor at 19:36:48 27-06-2013
  • Scirvir 30 Jun 2013 08:41:11 253 posts
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    Well, I did end up going with a 7850 in the end. Couldn't find one for £50 sadly, but I managed to get a new one for £80, which is reasonable enough I suppose. I don't suppose it'll perform much better than the 4870 I'm replacing did considering my CPU, but that's perfectly adequate for me right now. One plus is that it's apparently a lot cooler, quieter and less power-hungry than the 4870. I wasn't aware the latter is notorious for being a bit shit in all those areas.

    The 4870 has deteriorated a bit further in the meantime. Some noticeable artifacting even just using Windows normally now. Hopefully it'll hold out for a few more days until the new one gets here.
  • MrTomFTW Moderator 6 Jul 2013 19:15:53 37,669 posts
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    Generally speaking for gaming is it worth getting an i5 Haswell CPU or am I better off splashing that extra bit of cash for the i7? I'm not really all that sure what the differences between the i5s and i7s are.

    Edited by MrTomFTW at 19:16:07 06-07-2013

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  • captbirdseye 6 Jul 2013 19:20:57 4,845 posts
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    I7s are only really needed for video editing and sound production tbh. I5s are the perfect gaming CPU.
  • monkehhh 6 Jul 2013 19:21:55 3,291 posts
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    i5 - 4 cores, each handling a thread at once
    i7 - 4 cores, each handling two threads at once

    .. generally people recommend i5, unless you want to be doing lots of concurrent things.
  • Andee 6 Jul 2013 20:33:48 681 posts
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    Also depends on the games you play really. A few games now do make use of the 8 threads (like BF3 multiplayer), and it might be more of a thing with both the new consoles having 8 core cpus.
  • FutileResistor 6 Jul 2013 23:21:51 1,226 posts
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    Any i5 from Sandy Bridge onwards wouldn't break sweat handling anything that taxed the doubled up Jaguar multi-cores in new consoles. The CPU in the new consoles has ridiculously weak single threaded performance. I say sandy bridge onwards but really any Desktop AMD or intel quad-core at 2.8 GHz and up will match the two A4-5000s stuck together CPU solution in the new consoles.

    If devs don't get a handle on on multi-threaded game development, the Jaguar will struggle to keep up with a dual core i3. It's not just about the cores, intel is just vastly superior at IPC (instructions per clock).

    A quad-core i5-2500K will match an eight-core FX-8150 in BF3 Caspian Border multi-player.

    Edited by FutileResistor at 23:35:38 06-07-2013
  • Andee 7 Jul 2013 03:14:54 681 posts
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    I'm not necessarily meaning that it'd cause issues as such on the i5, but that if there was greater use of multi threading as a result of the consoles then there could be a gap on the performance difference between i5 and i7 on those titles, just as that link shows a large gap in minimum frame rates between the 2500k and 2600k on BF3.
  • morriss 7 Jul 2013 07:08:47 70,917 posts
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    My i5 3750k should be ok, right?
  • FutileResistor 7 Jul 2013 20:24:22 1,226 posts
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    @Andee.

    Yes, there's a gap, but that gap is between a four threaded intel CPU and an eight-threaded intel CPU. The point is, on one of the only games to take advantage of more than four threads, AMD's top of the line eight core is matched by an i5.

    The CPU in the Xbone and the PS4 is not top of the line. It's a mobile part designed for energy and thermal efficiency. Devs will have to completely change their approach to threading for the new consoles to get any decent performance from that CPU.
  • sanctusmortis 17 Jul 2013 08:20:55 9,627 posts
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    Has anyone seen any decent testing on the new FM2 X4 Athlons? Quite intrigued by the ultra-budget pricing (£180 nets you a 3.8GHz quad core, A85x motherboard, and 8GB DDR3 1600) and it's an obvious big step from an X2 5000+...
  • karlo87 19 Jul 2013 14:29:20 1,374 posts
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    Hey guys, i'm looking to build something that'll hold it's own against the next-gen consoles, i've put together two builds, just wondering what everyone thinks/suggestions?

    1)
    Sandisk 128GB Pulse SSD Slim
    Corsair 8 GB DDR3 1866Mhz Vengeance Memory
    Sapphire HD 7950 BOOST 3GB GDDR5
    AMD FX-8350 4GHz Socket AM3+ 16MB
    Asus M5A99X EVO R2.0 990X Socket AM3+
    Corsair Hydro Series H60 2013 model

    2)
    Sandisk 128GB Pulse SSD Slim
    Corsair 8 GB DDR3 1866Mhz Vengeance Memory
    Corsair Hydro Series H60 2013 model
    Intel Core i5 3570K 3.4GHz Socket 1155 6MB
    Asus P8Z77-V LK Socket 1155
    EVGA GTX 660 Ti SuperClocked+ 3GB GDDR5

    I'll probably use the current PSU i've got (700w) and my current HDD (1TB)

    Damn that sorcerer! Twenty gold pieces and Iím wankered on Rohypnol.

  • Roddles 19 Jul 2013 14:37:42 1,825 posts
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    Go for 2), but replace the 660ti with the newer 760ti which you should be able to find for the same price.
  • spleendonkey 19 Jul 2013 15:48:00 43 posts
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    So could i ask for help? I have about £300-400 to spend on a gaming PC, which I would say spec wise needs to be able to play Witcher 2, and things below that spec. Just need the laptop/desktop itself and nothing else (assuming it has HDMI).

    Is that totally unfeasible?
  • graysonavich 19 Jul 2013 15:52:32 7,320 posts
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    Technically feasible - yes. But for ease of use if you add an extra £100 you can get a decent enough pre-built unit that will last you.

    Edited by graysonavich at 15:52:45 19-07-2013
  • spleendonkey 19 Jul 2013 18:06:29 43 posts
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    @graysonavich

    So £500? I suppose that is doable. Don't suppose you would recommend any would you?

    Alternatively I saw this something like this:

    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-introducing-the-digital-foundry-pc

    Feasibly how hard is it for a complete novice to build a PC from scratch?
  • Roddles 19 Jul 2013 18:30:49 1,825 posts
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    It's Lego for adults. It's easy.
  • superdelphinus 19 Jul 2013 19:49:37 8,038 posts
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    It's very easy
  • morriss 19 Jul 2013 20:43:49 70,917 posts
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    My GPU cost the same as the whole PC! :) Good article and a great help.
  • DUFFKING 21 Jul 2013 12:56:39 7,185 posts
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    Anyone got a good budget monitor recommendation? I'd like to jump from a 1680x1050 display to a 1080p one. Max size 24 inch.
  • DUFFKING 22 Jul 2013 17:27:15 7,185 posts
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    Also just checking, I think this is my Mobo (CPU-Z says H67M-S/H67M-V/H67, I think it's the H67M-V as it's got the red logo on it):

    http://www.foxconnchannel.com/ProductDetail.aspx?T=motherboard&U=en-us0000520

    Pretty basic. GTX760 should be fine with this, right? Currently using a Sapphire HD6850 Toxic and it fit the board ok even with that foxconn logo bump. Just checking the slots are ok? That site seems to think it's PCI-E 3.0 but others say 2.0. Either way it should work anyway right?
  • rtk79 22 Jul 2013 18:13:30 493 posts
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    DUFFKING wrote:
    Anyone got a good budget monitor recommendation? I'd like to jump from a 1680x1050 display to a 1080p one. Max size 24 inch.
    I can vouch for this:
    http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2012/review-eizo-foris-fs2333-bk.html
    Sehr gut indeed.
    (Edit: not quite "budget" though. Damn heat.)

    Edited by rtk79 at 18:14:20 22-07-2013
  • FutileResistor 22 Jul 2013 18:57:53 1,226 posts
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    DUFFKING wrote:
    Also just checking, I think this is my Mobo (CPU-Z says H67M-S/H67M-V/H67, I think it's the H67M-V as it's got the red logo on it):

    http://www.foxconnchannel.com/ProductDetail.aspx?T=motherboard&U=en-us0000520

    Pretty basic. GTX760 should be fine with this, right? Currently using a Sapphire HD6850 Toxic and it fit the board ok even with that foxconn logo bump. Just checking the slots are ok? That site seems to think it's PCI-E 3.0 but others say 2.0. Either way it should work anyway right?
    Will work no problem.
  • superdelphinus 22 Jul 2013 20:39:14 8,038 posts
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    DUFFKING wrote:
    Anyone got a good budget monitor recommendation? I'd like to jump from a 1680x1050 display to a 1080p one. Max size 24 inch.
    I don't know what the cool kids think, but I've got an LG IPS one and it's fab and was also quite cheap (£120 or something). They come in various sizes and also there's a 3d one if you are an idiot
  • Wolves1877 22 Jul 2013 23:00:27 387 posts
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    Anyone interested in an HD 6970 2GB, 14 months old.... I am upgrading to a 7970.

  • TVoJ 24 Jul 2013 20:34:00 1,852 posts
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    Hey you guys!

    What's your thoughts on open box products? Specifically this from ccl online.

    Its £25 more on scan so is that difference in price worth it to have a 12 month warranty instead of 3?

    Surely 90 days is long enough to know if a motherboard is working fine or not right?
  • FutileResistor 24 Jul 2013 22:24:27 1,226 posts
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    Depends on what open-box means.

    £95 from Dabs for another option.
  • Sharzam 26 Jul 2013 08:08:02 2,826 posts
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    Here is where an a simple GPU gets out of hand.

    I was annoyed with the noise of my two GTX570s working in Sli so I thought I would sell them and swap for a single GTX770 which will be roughly same power.

    Then I realised that it was PCIe 3.0 so I thought I best check that. Turns out my motherboard supports it with ivybridge, so will need to change my 2500k. Problem is that a ivybridge i5 isn't worth the upgrade so best get an i7 which will be happy for few years so thought best make sure I have plenty vram to support future games.

    In short my upgrade got out of hand..

    Zotac GTX 770 4GB - £369
    The 2GB version was £320, both come with splinter cell
    i7 3770k - £235
    Marketplace trader on Amazon so should be ok but full price is £255

    Reason iam posting here is I now have a 2 Gainward GLH editions GTX570s and a i5 2500k I don't need. All work fine and no problems if there is anyone looking to buy them let me know, as it might fit under the budget theme of this thread.

    Edited by Sharzam at 08:10:59 26-07-2013

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