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  • TVoJ 17 Jun 2013 23:09:18 1,739 posts
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    yeah used the dabs code, just didnt type it correct. Dabs order comes to 247 - 227 after paypal20.

    the psu is not ideal i agree but my only other realistic option is this and I'm not sure 350w will be sufficient now ive changed my gpu.
  • RedSparrows 19 Jun 2013 13:24:28 21,962 posts
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    Hello chaps. I would like some advice.

    In October, after taking advice from the noble Sport, I bought and built, with assistance, the following system.

    AMD A10-5800K - normal speeds (I'm not risking overclocking when I ain't got a clue)
    Asrock FM2A75M-DGS A75 Socket FM2 MB
    4GB RAM (since increased to 8)
    480W PSU
    and a nice big cooling fan.

    Since then, after many hours of enjoyable playing, I have realised I fooled myself, and want a slightly faster system for slightly prettier games - Planetside 2, in the main. I realise the CPU solution I went for is therefore actually false economy, but I can deal with that.

    So, what I'd like to know is - what discrete GPU (forget about linking the APU) could I get that'd manage PS2 at low/medium (I really don't care about playing super high-end - I can't afford it) and with a solid frame-rate? I've decided to bolster the GPU to tide me over until a PS4 sometime next year - spend less, often, rather than more, rarely.

    I understand that the CPU will limit me - there comes a point of the bottleneck. But, which card do you experts reckon would get me to that point, without wasting s? I.e. where the only way to upgrade would be to get a whole new CPU - which I can then do in a few years. I have a smallish budget, and am really only concerned about PS2 (and then sprucing up other games I play a bit).
  • RobTheBuilder 19 Jun 2013 13:39:03 6,521 posts
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    I'm not sure what spec planetside 2 needs, but in theory a mid-high level card shouldn't be bottlenecked by that processor. It's only at the top end or with sli that it might be an issue I would say.

    Apparently (according to net comments) nvidia graphics cards perform better on PS2 than AMD ones, so maybe something like a 650ti or a 660. You may need to buy a new power supply though, depending on what you get.

    Do you have a maximum budget? And what size case do you have?

    Edited by RobTheBuilder at 13:39:37 19-06-2013
  • RedSparrows 19 Jun 2013 13:44:18 21,962 posts
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    Case Dimensions 430mm(L) x175mm(W) x360mm(H) = case size. It's got a fair bit of room inside still.

    I'd rather not buy a new PSU, if I can help it. I'm still learning with all this, so I'd rather keep it as simple as possible. Max budget - c. 150 (at a push)?
  • RobTheBuilder 19 Jun 2013 13:49:52 6,521 posts
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    Apparently this guy gets 20-30fps at max settings on a 550ti with a slightly faster processor.

    Ok, I'll check on a power calculator in a bit and see what that comes out as.
  • morriss 19 Jun 2013 13:51:14 70,911 posts
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    Best GTX 770 price? Also, 2 Gb or 4?
  • morriss 19 Jun 2013 18:30:28 70,911 posts
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    Is there a real difference between 2Gb and 4gb? Apart from about 30, I mean.
  • RobTheBuilder 19 Jun 2013 18:31:19 6,521 posts
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    I think the high memory of the new consoles will make more memory useful, however it depends what the price difference is.
  • RedSparrows 19 Jun 2013 19:14:57 21,962 posts
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    Thanks, Rob. Any advice is welcome.
  • TVoJ 20 Jun 2013 10:07:27 1,739 posts
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    Went to order my system but one or two items out of stock so m waiting but in the meantime this has popped up.

    Novatech Geforce GTX 660

    Its 20 quid cheaper than the Gigabyte GTX 660 I was getting so I'm looking for opinions. Are the 2 massive fans on the Gigabyte worth 20 notes?

    Edited by TVoJ at 10:08:36 20-06-2013
  • grey_matters 20 Jun 2013 10:30:25 3,671 posts
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    RedSparrows wrote:
    Case Dimensions 430mm(L) x175mm(W) x360mm(H) = case size. It's got a fair bit of room inside still.

    I'd rather not buy a new PSU, if I can help it. I'm still learning with all this, so I'd rather keep it as simple as possible. Max budget - c. 150 (at a push)?
    7790 (1GB) can be found for about 100. After that, maybe 650ti or 7850.
    Have you tried overclocking the graphics in the 5800k? Some decent gains can be made there.

    Edit: Sorry, didn't read your post properly re overclocking.

    Edited by grey_matters at 10:31:41 20-06-2013
  • RobTheBuilder 20 Jun 2013 11:22:21 6,521 posts
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    @TVoJ for your smaller machine they may well be. The cheaper one looks like a reference design which will probably operate at a higher temperature.
  • TVoJ 20 Jun 2013 11:57:46 1,739 posts
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    @RobTheBuilder

    Thanks mate. That's what I had in my head, just wanted someone else to say it. I was happy with my price so I won't shirk the the extra cooling benefit for the sake of 20.
  • RobTheBuilder 20 Jun 2013 12:13:40 6,521 posts
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    @grey_matters Only issue I'd say with AMD graphics cards is that they are more power hungry which would make him more likely to need a new PSU, plus Planetside 2 supposedly works much better with Nvidia cards.
  • RobTheBuilder 20 Jun 2013 12:19:21 6,521 posts
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    @RedSparrows Ok, looking at power levels. You'll be ok as long as your PSU is providing what it says it should be.

    (I have presumed you have 1 hard drive, 2 sticks of ram and 1 DVD/r drive)

    The 650Ti/660/7790/7850 will all work within your power constraints.
  • RedSparrows 20 Jun 2013 12:41:06 21,962 posts
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    Thanks, Rob and grey. Will investigate those!
  • Gartt 22 Jun 2013 14:20:59 1,734 posts
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    So Ive ordered most of the components for a new build after my missus convinced me to(!)

    -i5 4670k
    -Gigabyte D3HP mobo
    -8GB Corsair 1600 ram
    -120GB Samsung 840 ssd
    -Fractal Design R4 case (Ive wanted one of these for ages)

    Coming across from my current build

    -OCZ stealth 600w PSU
    -XFX 6870
    -Creative Xfi elite soundcard
    -Couple of HDDs

    Now I imagine the 6870 will be the bottleneck here, plan is to upgrade later in the year when all the new shiny cards are out and thoroughly tested.

    Any thoughts on the build? Any glaring errors?
  • sanctusmortis 23 Jun 2013 14:00:23 9,627 posts
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    Just as an FYI, Sparrows: the 7790 will run in Crossfire with the APU's built-in graphics, which might be a significant enough boost to make the overall performance closer to a more expensive Geforce option. Plus, IIRC the 7790's without a power socket to run it, meaning the PSU should be fine.
  • sanctusmortis 23 Jun 2013 14:30:17 9,627 posts
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    I think I have the path for my next upgrade, but I'm trying to compare a FM2 5600K with a FM2 X4 760K (which I just cannot find detailed info on anywhere) as I'll be keeping my 5570 either way (as it gives better performance than the 7560D anyway). I'm avoiding the 965 because of it being AM3 and as such a bugger to upgrade later (hoping FM2 lasts a couple of years at least).

    It's driving me mad, as the saving's literally a few quid, but the performance difference could be far bigger (so far the only difference I can find is 300MHz). They're both around a tenner cheaper than AM3/AM3+ equivalents, too. I'd be tempted to go for a newer 6xxx chip, but it's 25 extra for not a lot more performance, frankly...
  • kentmonkey 26 Jun 2013 08:47:05 20,415 posts
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    Slightly off topic but seems sensible to use this rather than starting up a thread for it...

    Nephew has sold his laptop and wants me to format the drive for him. However new buyer (obviously) wants to see it working before parting with cash, so question is...if I format the hard drive, can I still use the Samsung Laptop Recovery disks that came with it (Vista and Drivers cds separately) or will it only work to 'repair' a faulty operating system?

    I'm also thinking that, if I've got to do this, that I may quickly format it as a FAT 32 hdd, do a PS3 hard drive back up, then I can swap my PS3 drive over for the bigger one I have, replace the back up and then use the recovery discs to put the laptop back to factory default.
  • Maturin 26 Jun 2013 09:40:24 2,889 posts
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    How about formatting it then installing some basic Linux distro from a USB stick?
  • kentmonkey 26 Jun 2013 10:11:00 20,415 posts
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    Yeah, that could work actually. Good idea.
  • FutileResistor 27 Jun 2013 10:22:51 1,220 posts
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    Nvidia's new GTX 760 has just been released and basically instantly made the GTX 660Ti redundant by being better performing and cheaper. Better still, the 760 is price competitive with the 7950 (if you ignore the 7950's 4 free games bundle) so we may see a shift in the price of the 7950 soon as a result.

    Dabs has a decent range and my pick would be the MSI Twinfrozr. I think the PAYPAL20 code for 20 off a 200 spend is still valid.
  • TheSaint 27 Jun 2013 10:27:44 14,199 posts
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    How does it compare to the 660?
  • TheSaint 27 Jun 2013 13:27:45 14,199 posts
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    Decided to go with the GTX 760 in the end. Almost ordered the 660 yesterday but I think I've made the right choice.
  • sanctusmortis 27 Jun 2013 14:09:03 9,627 posts
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    Palit 760 2GB GDDR5 on Ebuyer - 205
  • THFourteen 27 Jun 2013 14:12:26 32,855 posts
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    I'm due a gfx card upgrade, but cant afford one. I'm not buying a gfx card with less than 4GB of RAM on it in the near future. I think next-gen may end up using more than 2GB.

    Will wait for the NVIDIA 8xx range
  • Scirvir 27 Jun 2013 14:46:34 253 posts
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    Any recommendations for an ultra-budget graphics card? My 4870 is dying, to the degree that I can't even watch a video in MPC without the whole system crashing. This 6670 for 44 caught my eye on Amazon, but I don't really have any clue whether it's any good or if there's something much better value out there.
  • Buztafen 27 Jun 2013 15:25:24 16,058 posts
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    That 6670 isn't as good as your 4870 (though it will atleast work). Are you sure its the GPU that's dying? Seems strange that it would cause your entire system to crash...

    Graphics Card Hierarchy

    Edited by Buztafen at 15:26:01 27-06-2013
  • Scirvir 27 Jun 2013 16:18:50 253 posts
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    Fairly sure it's the card. The system is working absolutely fine just regularly using Windows and browsing the web. It's just when I ask the card to do anything that it completely shits its pants. Flash videos for example are working just fine with hardware acceleration off. When I turn it on, the entire screen starts corrupting, leading to a black screen (even a BSOD in a couple of cases) and the card's fan going nuts. Thought it might be a driver issue at first, but I've tried several (and even a fresh install of Windows) with the same results. I wasn't even able to enable Aero in Windows 7 without the same sort of errors.

    I've been doing a bit of research and it seems like it might be worth paying an extra 30 to get a 6770 or a 7750 instead, since they're apparently a lot more comparable to the 4870. The chart you posted seems to group them all together. I'd like to still be able to play Dark Souls at least.
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