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  • Sandbox 27 May 2013 23:25:50 340 posts
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    This lot would make a good £400(ish) PC, has a decent quad core with 'proper' integrated GPU that would play most stuff at modest settings, certainly older stuff very well. The SSD will ensure it feels very fast to use and you can always add more storage very easily. The case and power supply are a decent make and should not give you any trouble, the motherboard offers SATA 3 and USB 3, which for the price is great, and FM2 is a good platform which will support the next generation of APU's if you wish to upgrade.

    If you want more GPU grunt then hold off for the next batch of APU's due anytime soon, they will not offer much more CPU grunt, but they will have the next gen of ATI GPU.

    You can also add in a mid-range discrete ATI card and the system will crossfire this with the on-board GPU boosting your games very cheaply.

    Prices here are for Ebuyer, but you should be able to get this stuff from any parts shop or I have found Amazon to be competitive also.

    Just a suggestion, if you prefer Intel, I am sure it's possible to come up with something just as good.

    Coolermaster Elite 330U Case With Coolermaster elite Power 500W PSU 220863 £52.70
    OCZ 240GB Vertex Plus R2 SSD 396877 £99.99
    AMD A10 5800K Black Edition 3.8GHz Socket FM2 4MB L2 Cache Retail Boxed Processor + SimCity Game Coupon 398761 £98.57
    (free accessory) AMD SimCity Download Coupon 500854 776 in stock0.00
    Corsair Vengeance Performance Memory Module 8gb (2x4gb) Ddr3 1866mhz Cl9 1.5v 274040 £58.00
    Asrock FM2A75M-DGS A75 Socket FM2 VGA DVI 5.1 Channel Audio mATX Motherboard 406724 £46.98
    Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium w/SP1 259863 449 in stock £69.95 £69.95

    Save as List Cart total inc vat: £426.19
  • RobTheBuilder 27 May 2013 23:28:24 6,521 posts
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    I haven't checked the details but that (above from sandbox) looks a decent buy
  • kentmonkey 27 May 2013 23:45:51 20,789 posts
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    That's with SSD hdd as well isn't it. So I can have a 1tb drive and save £40?

    If i wanted to add a graphics card later, can I with win7 oem? I know it locks to the MB and processor, so I'd be stuck with those, but graphics card?

    And I assume 64bit Win7 is the one to get?
  • RobTheBuilder 27 May 2013 23:53:29 6,521 posts
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    Adding a card should work fine as far as I am aware. Definitely go for 64bit, otherwise there's no point getting 8gb ram
  • Sandbox 28 May 2013 00:03:46 340 posts
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    It's an OEM copy of windows, 64 bit, you can re-use it, it will shit it's pants if you change the mobo as this would require a full re-install, but an automated call to MS will generate a new code, so long as you only have it installed on 1 machine.

    Sure it's a SSD, a 1TB HDD will save you about £50, I always start with an SSD as its makes such a difference to the performance, but nout wrong with a decent HDD, PC will just take a little longer to launch stuff, but you get more space.
  • kentmonkey 28 May 2013 00:06:13 20,789 posts
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    I didn't know you could get a new code. Awesome.

    Will i not lose a lot of performance without a graphics card? Is there a reasonable £50 one I could use with the money saved on the hdd?
  • Sandbox 28 May 2013 00:16:17 340 posts
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    If you want the crossfire with the APU to work you have to ensure you get just the right GPU, think the highest you can go with the A10 is an ATI 6670 which you should be able to get for about £50-60. Anything better and the system will simply shut off the APU's GPU an use the card, which kind of misses the point of this system.

    If you are not desperate, I would hang on until June as AMD are (supposed!) to be bringing out new APU's with much better graphics built in and somewhat improved CPU architecture.
  • Sandbox 28 May 2013 00:19:14 340 posts
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    I also forgot an optical drive, so if you don't have one you can use, you will need to factor in £15 for a DVD RW drive, or about £45 for a Blu-ray combo drive.
  • kentmonkey 28 May 2013 00:20:02 20,789 posts
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    I can't unfortunately. I don't have a computer and i really need one (i do a lot of work at home).
  • kentmonkey 28 May 2013 00:25:09 20,789 posts
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    @Sandbox

    This one?:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B009KSLBPQ?qid=1369696931&sr=8-4
  • Sandbox 28 May 2013 00:28:04 340 posts
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    Nope, ddr3 - fine for driving lots of screens, shit for games.

    This is a little more but has DDR5

    This
  • kentmonkey 28 May 2013 00:33:59 20,789 posts
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    Cool thanks. Glad I asked. I assume still worth getting the processor with GPU you linked to, rather than save money getting one without?
  • Sandbox 28 May 2013 00:41:31 340 posts
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    I would try it without, that A10 has a 7660D built in which is a proper entry level gaming GPU, you can always add in a card later without re installing anything.

    Just make sure you get good fast RAM, the stuff I listed was 1866Mhz, don't be tempted to get anything less as the APU uses your system RAM to drive the GPU and if it's slow (1333Mhz) you will kill the gaming performance. Always double check the Mobo's manufactures web site for lists of compatible RAM modules, in theory they should all work, but some may not auto configure to the correct speed, which means setting it manually in the BIOS (not a difficult job, but if you can avoid the dicking about it's worth an easy life)
  • FutileResistor 28 May 2013 06:23:02 1,238 posts
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    JiveHound wrote:
    Should I really take it back based on the fact that Bioshock Infinite is choppy?

    It was obvious to me then that the salesman was reaching but how much responsibility is with him and not with me for just being an impulsive schmuck?

    Edited by JiveHound at 19:49:15 27-05-2013
    I just googled the PC World price for this system which is £550. You could build a PC with literally 4x or more the gaming performance for the same money.

    If the salesman sold this to you as a gaming PC, you can absolutely get your money back.
  • FutileResistor 28 May 2013 07:55:40 1,238 posts
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    @kentmonkey

    Sandbox has given some good advice for the budget you've set, especially the SSD recommendation, however, this doesn't mean we can't improve on his system with a little bit of work.

    I suggest an i3-3220 paired with a 1GB Radeon 7850, which should be at least twice as quick in games even before overclocking the GPU.

    Paypal are doing a promotion with Dabs whereby you can get £20 off a £199 spend by entering PAYPAL20 at checkout. This promotion is only valid until May 31st.

    First of all, add these two components with the quicklinx on Dabs site.

    Intel Core i3-3220 3.30GHz S1155 3MB Quicklinx: 86KMQ200 £96
    MSI AMD Radeon 7850 900MHz 1GB Quicklinx: 8Q95Q200 £127 (I know this is listed as order, delayed, but you can use the on-chip GPU of the i3 while you're waiting.)

    With the PAYPAL20 code that should bring the price for those two components down from £223 to £203.

    MSI are doing a £20 cashback promotion in May. So that's a 1GB 7850 for £107 if you can be bothered to mail in the invoice after 21 days.

    The 7850 also comes with AMD's never settle reloaded bundle of Steam codes for Bioshock Infinite, Tomb Raider and Farcry 3 Blood Dragon. Which could also be sold on Ebay for around £25-£30.

    Ok, the rest of the components for this build are:

    Gigabyte IF233 Miditower USB 3.0 Midi-Tower Case Quicklinx 86Z3Q200 £31 (All cases should come with USB 3.0 now. This was the cheapest decent case with front USB 3.0. I think the XIGMATEK Asgard 381 is better but that one is ordered on request.)

    Corsair 430W Builder Series CX 80+ Quicklinx 8BV9Q200 £35 (because a crappy PSU is no saving at all.)

    G.Skill 8GB (2 x 4GB) Ripjaws-X DDR3 1600MHz Quicklinx: 7Z4VQ200 £45

    Asus P8B75-M LX PLUS Quicklinx 8FPKQ200 £45.60

    Seagate 2TB Barracuda SATA 6Gb/s 64MB 7200RPM HDD Quicklinx: 7XD7Q200 £70 (Don't kid yourself that 1TB will be enough, it's only £20 more for the extra terabyte.)

    That's £226.60 for that lot. Now you may be able to enter the PAYPAL20 code again and get another £20 off. If that doesn't work you can enter MEGA10A to get 10% off some of the components in the second order which should save you about £11.

    £203 + £215.60 is £418.60. There's still the £20 cash back from MSI and also potentially £25-£30 from selling the the game codes. Which makes it £370-£380 for a system at least double the framerate in gaming.

    Also there's nothing wrong with Windows 8. Just use classic shell to get rid of the Metro guff and it's better than Windows 7.

    Windows 8 for £45.

    Edited by FutileResistor at 08:05:02 28-05-2013
  • mikew1985 28 May 2013 08:18:34 12,892 posts
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    Someone give that man a jaffa!

    Great recommendations and prices.
  • FutileResistor 28 May 2013 09:01:23 1,238 posts
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    Just remembered from looking in the past that the XIGMATEK Asgard Pro Chassis also has front USB 3.0. It's the same price at £31 and I think it looks better than the Gigabyte. For some reason it didn't show up when I filtered the search results on Dab's site.

    Obviously ignore my case recommendations if you're not a hardline front USB fascist like me.
  • mikew1985 28 May 2013 09:03:08 12,892 posts
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    I have a Xigamatek and they're really solid well designed cases. Even if it is a more budget conscious one, I'd not hesitate to recommend them in general.
  • Globbits 28 May 2013 09:21:52 48 posts
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    Seconded. I've been very pleased with my Xigmatek case
  • JiveHound 28 May 2013 09:22:05 2,544 posts
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    FutileResistor wrote:
    JiveHound wrote:
    Should I really take it back based on the fact that Bioshock Infinite is choppy?

    It was obvious to me then that the salesman was reaching but how much responsibility is with him and not with me for just being an impulsive schmuck?

    Edited by JiveHound at 19:49:15 27-05-2013
    I just googled the PC World price for this system which is £550. You could build a PC with literally 4x or more the gaming performance for the same money.

    If the salesman sold this to you as a gaming PC, you can absolutely get your money back.
    To be fair to the guy he did say that I'd be able to run Bioshock Infinite on Medium settings and I've just changed the screen resolution to 720 so it actually does run pretty smoothly now. It does look a shit ton better than the 360 which is what I really cared about.

    I was kind of hoping upgrading the thing wouldn't be a pain in the arse though.

    Live: Jive Hands
    PSN: Jive_Hands

  • RedSparrows 28 May 2013 09:42:43 23,327 posts
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    Jive what's your Steam ID etc?
  • JiveHound 28 May 2013 10:29:29 2,544 posts
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    I think it's Asunder. I'll have a quick look and get back to you. I didn't mean to set that as my moniker.

    We'll have to pick up Xcom where we left off. Maybe L4D?

    Can I search for you via the friends tab on Steam?

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  • RedSparrows 28 May 2013 10:43:30 23,327 posts
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    I got L4D2 etc. RedSparrows on Steam.
  • JiveHound 28 May 2013 10:46:07 2,544 posts
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    Nice. My account is JiveHound but my profile is ad.am a.sun.der. I'll add you so expect one of those names pestering you.

    Live: Jive Hands
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  • RobTheBuilder 28 May 2013 11:03:57 6,521 posts
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    Ok that's some great work by futile resistor.
  • grey_matters 28 May 2013 11:38:27 3,799 posts
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    Fantastic stuff FutileResistor. It's now quoted in the OP if anybody wants to point people to it in the coming days.
  • RobTheBuilder 28 May 2013 13:10:10 6,521 posts
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    Yeah I've been unable to find anything better for that price
  • RobTheBuilder 28 May 2013 13:12:57 6,521 posts
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    @kentmonkey hi mate, I think futile's one above is well worth getting. Need to buy in may to get MSI cash back though
  • Bremenacht 28 May 2013 17:03:04 18,761 posts
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    Budget full-sized F1 simulator - just £90K from Costco.

    Computer: Custom “super high end” digital PC with Intel Core i7 processor, Intel SSD, triple head graphics card with display port, 16GB RAM, 1200w PSU, Windows 7 Professional 64 bit, wireless keyboard with integral mouse
  • grey_matters 28 May 2013 17:51:40 3,799 posts
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    Bremenacht wrote:
    Budget full-sized F1 simulator - just £90K from Costco.

    Computer: Custom “super high end” digital PC with Intel Core i7 processor, Intel SSD, triple head graphics card with display port, 16GB RAM, 1200w PSU, Windows 7 Professional 64 bit, wireless keyboard with integral mouse
    Pffft. You could build your own for half that. Clipping carbon-fibre panels together is just like Lego.
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