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  • elephantjuice 21 Apr 2013 13:42:39 773 posts
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    Any thoughts on the Gainward GTX 660 ?

    I'm upgrading from a 7770 and it'll be going into a HTPC case, that's why I'm looking at those 2 because they're relatively small.
  • Sharzam 21 Apr 2013 14:06:16 3,162 posts
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    Both are identical so really comes down to personal choice and which you find cheaper.

    Both are decent company's with good reputations.

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  • elephantjuice 21 Apr 2013 14:12:32 773 posts
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    Ok, good to know. I've used MSI parts before but never had a Gainward card.
  • RobTheBuilder 21 Apr 2013 14:19:08 6,521 posts
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    I've had numerous msi parts which have always been good. I hear gainward are good too.
  • elephantjuice 21 Apr 2013 14:32:51 773 posts
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    Sounds like much of a muchness. The only real difference I can see on paper is a difference in memory clock speeds.
  • morriss 22 Apr 2013 12:19:24 71,283 posts
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    Noob question: I have 4 RAM slots on mobo, two groups of two. I have two 4Gb 1800mhz RAM sticks. Does it matter which slot they go into?
  • nickthegun 22 Apr 2013 12:24:48 60,975 posts
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    Yeah. If you have four, they should be colour coded in a pattern like black, blue, black, blue. They need to go in the same colour.

    As always, the best thing to do is rtfm to see which channel it wants you to put them in.

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  • morriss 22 Apr 2013 13:27:34 71,283 posts
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    Got it all 2nd hand, but yeah, the manual is online, I guess.
  • morriss 22 Apr 2013 18:32:03 71,283 posts
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    Bought a new cooler, Arctic Freezer i30. Overclocked i3750k to 4.2 with +0.030 offset voltage.

    According to CPU-Z my core voltage is at 1.104. /Marathon Man Is it safe? /Marathon Man

    Anything else I need to check?
  • Rodpad 22 Apr 2013 21:39:12 2,044 posts
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    Run Prime95 then see what CPU-Z reports.
  • kentmonkey 23 Apr 2013 22:36:56 20,862 posts
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    Approached a local PC supplier/builder for a fairly low-cost PC to mainly do photo-editing on but also to play a few PC games (not expecting it to run anything recent at highest settings at all). I've been quoted for a Lenovo PC, to act as the "base", and then upgrade costs to that (for example, increasing HDD to 1TB and also improving graphics capability by moving away from the on-board graphics and adding a better card).

    Is this a sensible approach? I used to build PCs but I really can't be bothered anymore and would rather just buy a pre-built one, even though that goes against the advice I would have given myself 10 years ago. I just don't know whether these Lenovo's, with upgrades applied, would be any good.

    Spec is: Intel I3-3220, 4gb RAM, 500gb Hdd and Windows 7 but with the following upgrades:

    1TB HDD, 8gb RAM. For 470+vat. Would also need to upgrade graphics card as that's just using onboard.
  • RobTheBuilder 23 Apr 2013 22:58:55 6,521 posts
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    @kentmonkey I'd hazard that if it's using a Lenovo as base, you'll get far more by building.

    Seriously, my last build took me 2 hours, I saved about 150/200.

    Can buy from ebuyer:

    i3 3220 processor
    Decent budget motherboard (Gigabyte)
    8gb ram
    1TB Hard drive
    Windows 7
    Good Corsair PSU
    Casecom case
    DVD writer drive
    AMD 7850 1GB graphics card

    Total: 524.75



    Without the graphics card that's 400 inc vat, so 70 saving, plus 83 quid for the vat. So total saved 153, and you'd arguably get a better PSU and case. Only thing is a keyboard and mouse if you need them, which won't be more than 20-30 for half decent ones.

    Edited by RobTheBuilder at 23:00:48 23-04-2013

    Edited by RobTheBuilder at 23:03:01 23-04-2013
  • kentmonkey 23 Apr 2013 23:18:24 20,862 posts
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    I am tempted to do this, but I'm just in lazy mode and can't be bothered to check the internet for settings, etc. to get everything working. It's been 10 years since I built one, and things have moved on a lot in that time. The basics are the same, but I know everything else will be different and I'll end up getting the hump. I have very little patience.

    I am thinking of going down the AMD processor route though. Specifically the A10-5800K. And I've just read that you can 'crossfire' it (see, it's already going over my head) with a 1GB HD 6570 graphics card to get better performance.
  • kentmonkey 23 Apr 2013 23:25:10 20,862 posts
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    Or this, actually. This looks like it could do the job. Would just need to add a monitor.
  • RobTheBuilder 23 Apr 2013 23:38:37 6,521 posts
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    Seriously building is probably easier now than ever. My last one I put together in maybe 1 hour 45, installed windows 7, and was ready to go.

    That crossfiring version won't be anywhere near as good as the 7850 above. For gaming I'd say you are better with the i3. If you went for about 60-70 quid more though, you could get a top of the range AMD 8core processor.
  • DodgyPast 24 Apr 2013 02:14:37 8,518 posts
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    Got to agree with Rob, building is such a piece of piss in comparison with 10 years ago.
  • mcmonkeyplc 26 Apr 2013 10:04:33 39,509 posts
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    Bumders I have another question on my quest for PC gaming on the TV.

    Last Friday I tried Crysis 2 on my TV, max settings using the DX 11 patch blah blah without the detailed textures, looked very nice and played fine.

    However the sound during cut scenes became jittery to the point I had to skip them. Sound was going from the PC to the TV via HDMI and then out from the TV to the 5.1 system via an optical out.

    Was my PC throwing a hissy fit at having to do the graphics at the highest level and pump out the sound or was it a problem with the sound set up?

    I suppose I should try it with the settings on medium...

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • elephantjuice 26 Apr 2013 10:21:31 773 posts
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    If it's only during cut scenes it's happening and it's perfectly ok with other sources I wouldn't have thought it's an issue with the setup. Have you checked latest drivers etc?

    Just waiting on delievery of a GTX 660. I'm slightly concerned as I didn't realise the power connector is on the top of the card which could be an issue for me as it's going into a HTPC case so it'll be a bit of a squeeze!

    Hopefully the 6-pin cable from the PSU is flexible to be bent at more or less a right angle else it could be a bit of an issue :confused:
  • mcmonkeyplc 26 Apr 2013 10:26:47 39,509 posts
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    The graphics card had an update of drivers last week too. I didn't think it was a problem as it plays fine in normal gameplay but I suppose it does use more grunt for the cut scenes.

    I'll check tonight on a lower setting.

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • kentmonkey 27 Apr 2013 21:04:45 20,862 posts
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    @RobTheBuilder That spec you wrote above, what sort of performance could I expect out of that mate?
  • RobTheBuilder 27 Apr 2013 21:35:39 6,521 posts
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    Well the i3 would be a decent performer, but if you could afford the extra 60-70 for the top of the line 8 core AMD that will be a better buy in the long run - roughly equivalent to a good i5.

    The 7850 is a very good performance per pound card.

    Ill grab some points from toms hardware in a sec...
  • kentmonkey 27 Apr 2013 21:37:18 20,862 posts
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    Cheers, appreciate it.
  • RobTheBuilder 27 Apr 2013 22:11:40 6,521 posts
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    About the i3 - 3220 (Toms Hardware)

    "we still consider Intel's Core i3-3220 to be a good starting point for gamers who might upgrade to a faster LGA 1155-based processor in the future."

    Bear in mind the i3 is only Dual core, hence why ideally the AMD below or an i5 will give you better long term performance.


    The AMD FX-8350 4ghz - Digital Foundry suggested it might be a good long term processor choice as it's almost identical to those in the PS4/720. In the short term it's probably a little better than the i3, but in the future it should come into it's own as more threads are utilised better. It's cheaper than the i5 3750K which would be the Intel step up from the i3.


    The NVidia 650 Ti Boost 2gb is roughly equivalent to the 7850. Whichever you get, try and get a 2gb model, as 1gb RAM on the graphics card will probably prove a bottleneck in the future.

    650ti boost 2gb = 140 (Zotac)
    7850 2gb = 150 (XFX)

    Edited by RobTheBuilder at 22:14:07 27-04-2013
  • whatthefu 23 May 2013 19:05:43 878 posts
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    Just ordered my gigabyte GTX 660 OC.
    Am excited to replace this damn overheating POS 5850, its been trouble since ive had it really. Wanted to wait til new consoles are out, but the performance is shit.

    First Nvidia card since the Geforce 4, around 10 years ago.

    Edited by whatthefu at 19:06:08 23-05-2013
  • Gold1877 23 May 2013 19:09:56 459 posts
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    Is the AMD HD 6970 a decent card?

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  • yegon 25 May 2013 17:37:31 5,392 posts
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    Given that both new consoles are AMD based, how likely is it that, going forward, AMD gpu's may have a better future given the propensity for ports/multi-platform releases?

    I'm still happily rocking a gtx 580 that I bought at release, been an excellent purchase that I'll probably get another year out of. I just wondered if, specs notwithstanding, AMD card's may have a rosier future than Nvidia gpu's as they'd presumably benefit from better compatibility with consoles which, however unfortunate it may be, will be the target hardware for the lions share of releases. I'm thinking in the vein of how, generally, 360 ports were better than PS3 versions due to similar architecture to a PC.

    Or is it all irrelevant with DirectX etc?
  • RobTheBuilder 25 May 2013 17:56:08 6,521 posts
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    I think it's relevant, but will be less of an issue than converting from cell which was a very different type of processor.

    The 4ghz 8 core amd processors might be a good value gaming performer though as they are the same (effectively) as those in the consoles.
  • DodgyPast 25 May 2013 22:03:20 8,518 posts
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    RobTheBuilder wrote:
    I think it's relevant, but will be less of an issue than converting from cell which was a very different type of processor.

    The 4ghz 8 core amd processors might be a good value gaming performer though as they are the same (effectively) as those in the consoles.
    I'm still somewhat confused by this. How would 8 cores be superior in performance to four running more than twice as fast as eight.
  • RobTheBuilder 25 May 2013 22:08:32 6,521 posts
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    @DodgyPast I don't think there is that level of difference, but I've seen it said from a few sources that once games are designed to better use multiple cores (which they will if based on 8core AMD consoles) they should be a good gaming buy.
  • DodgyPast 25 May 2013 22:19:17 8,518 posts
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    Ah, as in the bang for your buck aspect should improve as software is optimised for more cores. 8 cores will perform closer to 4 cores at double the clock rate... Though still slower.
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