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  • Iain815 6 Jan 2013 18:05:24 385 posts
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    I dunno, 550W may be cutting it a bit fine, you'd be better off going for at least 650w+ for peace of mind/future proofing.

    And if your save nearly a 100 by building it yourself, I'd say do it. Honestly, it's not hard and there's plenty of guides online to help.

    Edited by Iain815 at 18:07:41 06-01-2013
  • rtk79 6 Jan 2013 18:38:22 481 posts
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    Another GPU / PSU question for you knowledgeable folks : I have an HD 5770 that I'd consider replacing with a 2 Gb HD 7850. The case I have isn't very big (it's an Antec NSK4482B) and uses a 380W PSU Earthwatts Green PSU. Would the HD 7850 fit in, size and power ?
  • Moot_Point 6 Jan 2013 18:44:30 3,505 posts
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    Wait...? Are you asking us to measure and compare whether a graphic card upgrade would fit in your case?

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  • gman7714 6 Jan 2013 18:48:42 246 posts
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    I'm pretty sure the specs for a 7850 mention a minimum power supply of 500w is required
  • rtk79 6 Jan 2013 20:06:11 481 posts
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    Moot_Point wrote:
    Wait...? Are you asking us to measure and compare whether a graphic card upgrade would fit in your case?
    No, rather wondering what the card's form factor and power usage were like, especially compared to the HD 5770, my case quoted for reference. I'm sure upgrading to the HD 7850 from there is fairly common, and that someone might have first hand experience. And asking about power usage seems a common concern.
  • rtk79 6 Jan 2013 20:12:41 481 posts
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    gman7714 wrote:
    I'm pretty sure the specs for a 7850 mention a minimum power supply of 500w is required
    Thanks. Official specs " recommend" 500W but don't give a minimum.
    The AMD website doesn't mention dimensions. Do these vary depending on manufacturers ?
  • RobTheBuilder 6 Jan 2013 20:20:42 6,521 posts
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    @rtk79 the power depends on what spec the rest of your machine is. Hearing 380w sounds like it might be too low but I can't be sure without the other specs.
  • FutileResistor 6 Jan 2013 20:31:15 1,208 posts
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    nedsnurb wrote:
    Hi Guys,

    Just looking for a bit of advice really, I have been given a quote for a new PC build through a contact at work, which is as follows:

    Antec Three Hundred ATX MID Tower Gamer Case No PSU

    OCZ 550W PSU - FATAL1TY - SLI READY, 80-PLUS BRONZE, EZMOD CABLE, 3YR POWERSWAP

    Intel Core i5-3570K Quad Core, 1155, 3.4 GHZ, 0.22NM, Ivy Bridge, HD GFX, 6MB

    ASUS P8Z77-V PRO, LGA1155, Z77, ATX, PCIE3.0, 4D3 2600, SATA6G, RAID, USB3, WIFI

    Kingston HyperX 8GB Kit (2 x 4GB) 1600MHz (PC3-12800) DDR3 CL9 DIMM Memory Kit

    Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" SATA3 6GBS 64MB Cache, 7200rpm Internal HDD

    Kingston HYPERX 3K 120GB 2.5" SATA3 SSD

    Samsung DVD Re-Writer, SATA, 24X, Black, OEM, No Software

    CLUB 3D RADEON HD7950 ROYAL KING, 3GB GDDR5, 930MHZ BOOST, PCIE3, HDMI, with free Games

    Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit, with Service Pack 1, OEM DVD

    Sweex CR005V3-OEM Card Reader 3.5" Internal Black

    TP-LINK (TL-WN881ND) 300MBPS WIRELESS PCI-EXPRESS ADAPTOR, 2 DETACH ANT, LPB

    Logitech MK120 Desktop Kit, USB

    1st Year Collect and Return Warranty Parts and Labour, 2nd and 3rd Year Return to Base Labour Only Warranty

    Now I have been quoted 853.00 for the entire build or 768.00 for the components, but given I'v never self built I am leaning towards the pre-built.

    Just wondering if this looks a decent spec for the price, and if any components would need changing?
    That's a really great deal for the components with Windows 7 thrown in. Just going to Scan and pricing up that component list (as near as possible would come to over 810) before Windows 7. You would be hard pushed to match the price for the components even if you shopped around.

    As others have noted, the motherboard is designed for serious overclockers and is a bit wasted if that's not what you will be doing. It's about 140 compared to 80 for a average decent Z77 board.

    The thing I would definitely change is the PSU. This is an aspect which is almost always neglected. You must get a PSU which delivers good clean power. Ripple and noise for that OCZ is unacceptable. I always recommend Corsair, Antec or Seasonic.

    Your system will draw under 350 watts at load so I recommend a Corsair or Antec 400 watts PSU (or 500 watts if you plan to crossfire). Corsair 430CX or 500CX or the Hybrid modular 500CXM is just 50 from Scan. These are no more expensive than the OCZ but are much better.

    Edited by FutileResistor at 21:12:02 06-01-2013
  • FutileResistor 6 Jan 2013 20:41:25 1,208 posts
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    rtk79 wrote:
    Another GPU / PSU question for you knowledgeable folks : I have an HD 5770 that I'd consider replacing with a 2 Gb HD 7850. The case I have isn't very big (it's an Antec NSK4482B) and uses a 380W PSU Earthwatts Green PSU. Would the HD 7850 fit in, size and power ?
    The Antec earthwatts 380w would be fine to power a 7850. A 1GB 7850 would be fine if you're gaming at 1080p.

    You would be much better placed to measure the length and height of card that would fit in your case than us.
  • FutileResistor 6 Jan 2013 20:55:59 1,208 posts
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    RobTheBuilder wrote:
    @rtk79 the power depends on what spec the rest of your machine is. Hearing 380w sounds like it might be too low but I can't be sure without the other specs.
    I can't think of a typical build for an HTPC with a Radeon 7850 (it's an HTPC case) that would draw more than around 330 watts at load.

    The PSU is an Antec and will deliver a 380 watts 24/7 for years with no problems.

    Edited by FutileResistor at 20:56:38 06-01-2013
  • nedsnurb 6 Jan 2013 21:58:56 15 posts
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    FutileResistor wrote:
    That's a really great deal for the components with Windows 7 thrown in. Just going to Scan and pricing up that component list (as near as possible would come to over 810) before Windows 7. You would be hard pushed to match the price for the components even if you shopped around.

    As others have noted, the motherboard is designed for serious overclockers and is a bit wasted if that's not what you will be doing. It's about 140 compared to 80 for a average decent Z77 board.

    The thing I would definitely change is the PSU. This is an aspect which is almost always neglected. You must get a PSU which delivers good clean power. Ripple and noise for that OCZ is unacceptable. I always recommend Corsair, Antec or Seasonic.

    Your system will draw under 350 watts at load so I recommend a Corsair or Antec 400 watts PSU (or 500 watts if you plan to crossfire). Corsair 430CX or 500CX or the Hybrid modular 500CXM is just 50 from Scan. These are no more expensive than the OCZ but are much better.
    Thanks for the detailed response, yeah I'm pretty pleased with the price, I have had a few quotes from a few other places and also priced up on Scan etc and can't really get close to the price I was given.

    The problem is the company that is providing the system only stocks certain models of PSU's which leaves me slightly limited to choice, and I'm pretty sure none that you mentioned are available. I will try and chase this up though, as the PSU was something that was on my mind that needed changing.
  • Moot_Point 6 Jan 2013 22:10:29 3,505 posts
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    Why not ask the company if they will sell you the system minus the cost of the power supply, and buy the one recommended here.

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  • rtk79 7 Jan 2013 00:14:16 481 posts
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    FutileResistor wrote:
    rtk79 wrote:
    Another GPU / PSU question for you knowledgeable folks : I have an HD 5770 that I'd consider replacing with a 2 Gb HD 7850. The case I have isn't very big (it's an Antec NSK4482B) and uses a 380W PSU Earthwatts Green PSU. Would the HD 7850 fit in, size and power ?
    The Antec earthwatts 380w would be fine to power a 7850. A 1GB 7850 would be fine if you're gaming at 1080p.

    You would be much better placed to measure the length and height of card that would fit in your case than us.
    Thanks for the PSU answer, much appreciated. And, sorry if I'm being dense, can I expect all HD 7850 cards (or other models for that matter) to share the same measurements ? Card sellers and manufacturers don't always think to mention them.
  • Buztafen 7 Jan 2013 11:11:59 15,957 posts
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    Shameless plug (again).

    My company is selling on some 560Ti 448's they no longer need HERE!

    Grab em while they're hot, the last ones went in less than a day! :)

    Edited by Buztafen at 11:12:07 07-01-2013
  • mikew1985 7 Jan 2013 11:26:50 12,047 posts
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    UK only shipping, that's probably a good thing I can't really afford extraneous equipment right now.
  • Buztafen 7 Jan 2013 11:30:27 15,957 posts
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    We'd probably post to Ireland too if that helps/hinders. :)
  • LockeTribal 7 Jan 2013 11:58:23 4,443 posts
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    I keep forgetting, do we have a "General PC problems/help" thread or does everything just go here? I know I keep pointing people to this thread when they ask about PC issues, but now that I have an issue of my own I'm not sure I should post it here :)

    Anyway, I've just (as of, say, 3-4 weeks ago) started experiencing issues with my PC when playing Borderlands and Burnout Paradise (only ones I've tried so far really). I seem to be getting a constant judder or stutter whether using low, medium or high settings while playing (doesn't affect cinematics or anything else). I have a HD 5770, 4gb of ram and a Phenom II x4 925.

    I have a feeling it might only have started occurring after the most graphics card driver update so I'll try rolling that back and see if it makes any difference first of all, but if anyone has any other ideas I'd be happy to hear them.
  • mikew1985 7 Jan 2013 15:42:39 12,047 posts
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    Buztafen wrote:
    We'd probably post to Ireland too if that helps/hinders. :)
    Lalalala
  • FutileResistor 7 Jan 2013 17:48:11 1,208 posts
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    rtk79 wrote:
    Thanks for the PSU answer, much appreciated. And, sorry if I'm being dense, can I expect all HD 7850 cards (or other models for that matter) to share the same measurements ? Card sellers and manufacturers don't always think to mention them.
    No, different cards will be different sizes.
  • FutileResistor 7 Jan 2013 18:19:33 1,208 posts
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    LockeTribal wrote:
    I keep forgetting, do we have a "General PC problems/help" thread or does everything just go here? I know I keep pointing people to this thread when they ask about PC issues, but now that I have an issue of my own I'm not sure I should post it here :)
    It might be a good idea to start a general PC problem thread. I always miss them because I normally just check in a couple times a day by hitting my 'Threads I've posted in' bookmark. There maybe other people like me.

    Anyway, I've just (as of, say, 3-4 weeks ago) started experiencing issues with my PC when playing Borderlands and Burnout Paradise (only ones I've tried so far really). I seem to be getting a constant judder or stutter whether using low, medium or high settings while playing (doesn't affect cinematics or anything else). I have a HD 5770, 4gb of ram and a Phenom II x4 925.

    I have a feeling it might only have started occurring after the most graphics card driver update so I'll try rolling that back and see if it makes any difference first of all, but if anyone has any other ideas I'd be happy to hear them.
    Probably a driver problem if it's just happened after a driver upgrade.
  • rtk79 7 Jan 2013 21:34:34 481 posts
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    FutileResistor wrote:
    rtk79 wrote:
    Thanks for the PSU answer, much appreciated. And, sorry if I'm being dense, can I expect all HD 7850 cards (or other models for that matter) to share the same measurements ? Card sellers and manufacturers don't always think to mention them.
    No, different cards will be different sizes.
    Another thing to keep in mind then. Thanks for the help.
  • grey_matters 7 Jan 2013 21:41:15 3,381 posts
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    mikew1985 wrote:
    Buztafen wrote:
    We'd probably post to Ireland too if that helps/hinders. :)
    Lalalala
    LALALALALALALA
  • LockeTribal 8 Jan 2013 14:02:44 4,443 posts
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    So, following on from my previous posts, I don't think it's the new driver that's doing it. Rolled back the driver last night and still getting plenty of judder. It's strange though, it seems okay for about 30 seconds then it kicks in.

    I'm going to take apart and clean the PC tomorrow as it's in dire need of it and hope that the problem's been caused by some one of the parts not being seated properly.

    Also, just as an aside, can anyone recommend a good cooler for an AMD Phenom II x4 925? I'm also thinking about upgrading my case to something a little less rattly; anything in particular I should be looking at?

    Cheers!
  • Buztafen 8 Jan 2013 14:34:30 15,957 posts
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    Buztafen wrote:
    Shameless plug (again).

    My company is selling on some 560Ti 448's they no longer need HERE!

    Grab em while they're hot, the last ones went in less than a day! :)
    All gone! in just a few hours! :)
  • LockeTribal 10 Jan 2013 09:36:19 4,443 posts
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    I'm sure you'll all be pleased to know my graphical issues have gone away. Reseated the RAM and the graphics card and gave all the fans a bit of a dusting, then updated the AMD drivers and everything seems to be working as it was again.
  • Buztafen 10 Jan 2013 10:21:20 15,957 posts
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    Nicely done LockeT, sorry my random post wasn't much help but you seem to know what you were doing anyway...plus you've got a nice clean pc to boot :)

    /looks at dust box in the corner
    /cries a little
  • LockeTribal 10 Jan 2013 10:46:07 4,443 posts
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    Heh, no worries. Didn't really know what I was doing, just did everything I knew how to do in the hope something would work :) Oh and there's still a fuckload of dust inside the box unfortunately, just have slightly cleaner fans!

    Anyone have any preference on case makers?
  • FutileResistor 10 Jan 2013 20:33:47 1,208 posts
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    LockeTribal wrote:
    Heh, no worries. Didn't really know what I was doing, just did everything I knew how to do in the hope something would work :) Oh and there's still a fuckload of dust inside the box unfortunately, just have slightly cleaner fans!

    Anyone have any preference on case makers?
    Budget?

    There are so many cases it's a bit hard to narrow down without more info. I don't think it's worth spending more than 70 for a case unless you need a specialist case.

    I never get anything without front USB 3 unless it's an ultra budget case, so my recommendations are slightly skewed towards cases with that particular feature.

    I would have said Corsair 200R (40) or 300R (50) but they have both jumped about 10 in price since I last used them. Still really excellent cases though.

    I would go for Enermax ECA3250-B for about 35 or NZXT Source 210 Elite for about 40 as best value.
  • Clive_Dunn 10 Jan 2013 20:35:42 4,762 posts
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    Love my Antec P280.
  • LockeTribal 10 Jan 2013 21:26:10 4,443 posts
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    Cheers folks. Trying to keep it under 50, so good suggestions so far. Planning on getting a case, a new CPU cooler and maybe a bit more RAM when my birthday rolls around.
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