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  • mikew1985 23 Aug 2012 14:58:05 12,986 posts
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    Oops, Msi 660ti ordered.

    Looking forward to getting it for the weekend. "free" copy of borderlands sealed it for me.
  • Razz 23 Aug 2012 15:25:20 61,618 posts
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    Buztafen wrote:
    I recently used this free program to clone my Win 7 install over to a new larger HD.

    You could upgrade XP on your current HD then clone it to the SSD?...if you really need to upgrade rather than clean install that is.

    EDIT: Actually i dont think its possible to 'upgrade' XP, you need to do a clean install anyway dont you? I'd just stick it on the SSD then copy over the files from you old XP HD before wiping it.
    Really? That's too bad :( Cheers though. My PC is an ex-work PC with a few photo editing and office programs installed that I don't have the seriels for I was hoping to keep them, but to be honest I don't use any of them! :D

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  • Razz 23 Aug 2012 21:07:54 61,618 posts
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    Anyone got a spare PCIe sata controller I could buy, preferably nick? :)

    Edited by Razz at 23:05:48 23-08-2012

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  • FutileResistor 24 Aug 2012 18:53:43 1,238 posts
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    Buztafen wrote:
    jellyhead wrote:
    Gah! Been thinking about an upgrade for a while now, housemate's just got an i5 3750@4.4 and it got me envious again.

    So, what's the recommendation for an upgrade to a 4 year old:
    Q6600 @ 3.04
    XFX Radeon HD5830
    4GB DDR2 Ram

    I'm tempted by a bundle like silentbob's; i5 3750, mobo, 8gb ram and reuse my old parts or just go to OverClockers/Scan and get a system?

    I've this week off so it'd be ideal to sort it out this week. Especially now my PC has started to BSOD every couple of weeks :(
    I'm interested in this as ive a very similar spec pc:-

    Q6600 @ 3.4
    8800GTX
    4GB DDR2

    Futile Resistor will be along soon jellyhead...i can hear him breathing. :)
    Heh.

    Sorry, just haven't checked this thread for a few days.

    Q6600 @ 3.04 or 3.4 should be fine for most games to be honest. Nothing to stop you upgrading of course but you wouldn't see that much difference in game performance from upgrading to an i5.

    Upgrade the graphics card. If you're gaming at 1920x1080 or under the best bang for the buck card is this 6850 for 88.

    For something a bit more future-proof I would go for a 7850 at this point. (Disclaimer - I've never used WAE before)

    6850 v 7850
  • CharlieStCloud 25 Aug 2012 08:45:42 5,395 posts
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    I hear Shuttle is a good place to look for a decent (but NOT amazing!) mini gaming system.

    Pardon me for being a bit simple however, upon looking on their website, are all models 'barebones', as in I have to make the computer myself, or can you purchase a fully functioning 'mini gaming PC'...?

    Thank you to whoever helps!

    ... : )
  • matrim83 25 Aug 2012 09:12:12 5,597 posts
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    So the 660 is out of my budget. Is there any chance there will be a price drop on the 560 now that the 660 is out?

    Valar morghulis.

  • Dirtbox 25 Aug 2012 09:16:05 78,895 posts
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    They're dropping slowly. They were 220 only about 5 months ago.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 09:17:19 25-08-2012

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  • matrim83 25 Aug 2012 09:53:54 5,597 posts
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    So I guess its better to wait for a few more weeks before buying?

    Valar morghulis.

  • Razz 25 Aug 2012 12:16:52 61,618 posts
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    Holy shit Windows 8 is awesome, why did I use XP for so long ;_; What a tool

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  • CharlieStCloud 25 Aug 2012 16:00:02 5,395 posts
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    Aw, no-one would like to answer my little Shuttle query?

    ... : (
  • MMMarmite 25 Aug 2012 16:24:15 1,102 posts
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    @CharlieStCloud shuttle only make the chassis and motherboard, you'd need to add the rest yourself or find a company that sell's them preconfigured. Google threw up Ambros.co.uk
  • CharlieStCloud 25 Aug 2012 16:30:36 5,395 posts
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    MMMarmite wrote:
    Shuttle only make the chassis and motherboard, you'd need to add the rest yourself or find a company that sell's them preconfigured. Google threw up Ambros.co.uk
    You may have found my first ever mini gaming PC ... thank you!

    ... : )

    Sorry for being a bit dim too!
  • KarachiKid 27 Aug 2012 22:30:45 8 posts
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    Hi guys. I started another topic on PC upgrading and was directed here, so I'll post my original thread here rather than explaining all again.

    [quote=Me!]I currently have a Dell XPS 420 with an upgrade on the graphics card. It can still run games, but stuff like BF3 are running at medium settings before things start to get choppy. I bought this PC around four years ago brand new. It's done me well. However, I am beginning to get back in to PC gaming and I haven't built my own PC since Pentium 4s were around. I am very out of the loop.

    The processor in my PC is a Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.4GHz. I am wondering how this compares to the CPUs which are on the market these days. Specifically the Intel i5 and i7 range. I have been looking in to the differences between the i5 and i7, but don't know how they compare to my current processor. If I do go down the route of building my own PC again, it'll be on a limited budget (no idea what that is right now. This is research time), but from what I can gather an i5 would probably be suited to my needs.

    I'll research the rest of the components like graphics card and that, but the processor technology and terminology has moved on so much since I last cared that I am basically starting all over again.

    So, how does my current processor compare to the more recent i5 range? I expect the differences will be vast, but I can't just go "Well, they're both 2.4GHz quadcore so they must be quite similar" as I think I'll be very very wrong. I received some interesting answers, thank you, but decided that overclocking isn't good for me. Particularly on a Dell system which has everything on lock down, so I've read. So I have decided that if I go ahead with fundraising then it'll be a Frankenstein PC using existing components from my Dell and new ones.
    After some research, I think I have found the components that I want, but want your opinion. They are:

    CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.30GHz LGA1155 6MB - 164.98
    Mobo: ASRock Z68 Pro3 Gen3 S1155 Intel Z68 DDR3 ATX - 46.54 (Warranty Repair)
    Graphics: Sapphire Technology ATI Radeon HD 6870 900MHz 1GB PCI-Express DVI HDMI + 2 x mDP - 134.98
    RAM: Corsair 16GB (2 x 8GB) Vengeance 2133MHz DDR3 DIMM CL10 Black - 135.99
    Monitor: LG Electronics 23" LED/TFT Full HD 1920 x 1080p DVI HDMI (5ms) - 125.73

    Total: 608.22

    I figure that all this will fit inside my Dell case, which still looks fairly good by today's standards and also it leaves me space to upgrade in the future, which is why I picked the 2x8GB RAM, rather than 4x4GB which is cheaper. I also have a 550 or 600W PSU which I bought when I upgraded the graphics card, and 2x 500GB harddrives which will do me fine for now and I can buy a solid state one another day.
    My current monitor only supports 1680x1050 resolution too, so I figured that could do with an upgrade an'all.

    In my head everything will work together fine. But you might have other ideas. Please put my mind at ease or recommend some alternatives (cheaper) please. I am not looking to do everything perfectly, but would like to play current games on max settings or thereabouts.
  • FutileResistor 28 Aug 2012 00:27:37 1,238 posts
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    If you're not interested in overclocking there is no need for the 2500K CPU.

    An i5-3450 for 147 would be fine.
    Motherboard is fine.
    The 6870 is fine but not at that price. If can find one for around 100 otherwise it's not worth the 47 difference compared to the 88 6850 I linked to in the other thread. It's very easy to overclock the 6850 to 6870 levels of performance anyway. A 7850 would be far better value around 150 than the 6870.
    6850 v 6870
    Holy crap that ram is expensive. Get two sticks of 8GB Corsair Vengeance 1600MHz for 33. MHz makes no difference in performance. 8GB is fine for gaming, get anoth 8GB if you'll be multitasking a lot.
    Get a Samsung 830 128GB SSD 78 and stick your OS on it. You can get Win 8 for free and use it until mid January. A SSD will make your day to day PC experience feel much more responsive.

    I'll give you an opinion on a monitor in a later post.
  • waynema 28 Aug 2012 14:06:55 106 posts
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    Hi All,

    Very niche question, but I'll fire it off anyway!

    Currently have a GTX 460 1GB, and was looking to upgrade to a 660ti. Has anybody else done a similar upgrade (sorry if it's earlier in the thread), and if so has it been worth it?

    My CPU is an i5 760 at stock, Win7 64bit OS, playing at 1920x1080.

    Thanks!
  • jellyhead 28 Aug 2012 14:25:12 24,350 posts
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    @FutileResistor @buztafen

    Cheers guys but alas it was too late. I had a week off, housemate's new PC envy, felt slightly mopey and ended up buying and building a new PC to cheer myself up. Stupid impulsive behaviour i get from time to time. sigh.

    Also, having been an AMD lad forever does anyone have tips for new Nvidia users as i went Team Green this time around.

    Now i need to work out how much i can flog the old beast for! :)

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  • sport 28 Aug 2012 14:31:39 12,798 posts
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    For any BUDGET PC builders out there (I feel that term has been somewhat stretched of late in here), AMD have cut the prices of their CPU's again:

    http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2012/2012082701_AMD_launches_FX-4130_cuts_prices_of_desktop_CPUs.html

    Now I understand the upgrade path concern for some folk (esp with the FM1 socket), but when you can build a PC capable of playing most games on med settings for 200, then there's not much to complain about.
  • MMMarmite 28 Aug 2012 14:39:31 1,102 posts
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    @KarachiKid if you're using a Dell case make sure that it's not for BTX motherboards (A few major OEMs use BTX exclusively) otherwise the motherboard you've listed is a no-go.

    An easy way to check is to look at the back of the PC, are all the connections on the left or the right-hand side? Left is ATX, right is BTX.

    Otherwise FR's build is pretty much spot on; the memory linked is 2x4GB sticks but it'll work out much cheaper to buy 4x4GB stick if you really need 16GB in total, by the time you need 32GB you'll probably upgrade the whole machine ;)
  • jellyhead 28 Aug 2012 15:27:46 24,350 posts
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    @sport Yeah, great bang for your buck with those cards now!

    Unfortunately they lowered the prices a day or two after i'd already purchased my new card. Oh Well, such is life :)

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  • sport 28 Aug 2012 15:57:49 12,798 posts
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    Bit bored this afternoon so just felt like speccing out another budget PC for any lurkers out there:

    CPU + GPU (A8-3870K) - 71 (after cashback) http://www.amazon.co.uk/AMD-A-Series-Quad-Core-Processor-Warranty/dp/B006J420UE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1346165080&sr=8-1
    MB (Biostar) - 40 - http://www.ebuyer.com/394095-biostar-a75mg-socket-fm1-vga-dvi-6-channel-audio-matx-motherboard-a75mg
    RAM (4GB 1600Mhz) - 17 - http://www.ebuyer.com/272181-kingston-4gb-ddr3-1600mhz-hyperx-blu-memory-module-khx1600c9d3b1-4g
    HD (250GB) - 38 - http://www.ebuyer.com/253741-seagate-250gb-momentus-thin-internal-hard-drive-st250lt007
    DVDRW (Samsung) - 13 - http://www.ebuyer.com/342873-samsung-sh-222bb-sata-dvd-write-optical-drive-oem-sh-222bb-bebe
    Case + PSU (500W) - 23 - http://www.ebuyer.com/366147-605-micro-atx-case-500w-psu-oem-605

    Total = 202!!!

    and this thing will play anything you throw at it. Not at high settings but I think you'll be surprised at what this APU can deliver.
  • bodhi85uk 28 Aug 2012 18:54:33 180 posts
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    Nice little build for those on a tight budget. Would recommend getting some 1866mhz RAM instead of 1600, from the benchmarks I've seen, the APU's really see a benefit from it.
  • Andee 28 Aug 2012 19:00:21 711 posts
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    @KarachiKid

    I've been using an XPS420 here for a while, so can offer some feedback specific to that system.

    First of all, you won't be able to do another build inside the XPS 420 case, as it's a btx design, so normal atx motherboards wont fit (at least not without major case surgery).

    A Q6600 overclocked to 3Ghz would still be good enough for most games at the moment. The exception perhaps is BF3 on 64p servers, where you'll get occasional mid 30fps dips,but even on an i7 you can still expect to get mid 40fps dips on 64p servers at times.

    As it's a Dell, the BIOS is locked, but you can still (fairly) easily do a 3Ghz overclock using a BSEL/tape mod on the CPU to force a FSB increase to 1333. The stock cooler on the system is a rather good one, so you'll not have any worries about cpu temp issues. Should be able to find plenty of info on that on other forums, but can provide links to the guides I used if required.

    IIRC the system originally comes with 3GB RAM, so you'd want to upgrade that to at least 6GB, and install a 64bit OS if you're still on the default 32bit Vista. You can use your existing key to do a 64bit Vista install as long as you find a copy of the media that matches the version you have.

    In terms of upgrading the graphics card, if the cooler is of a type that exhausts the heat inside the case then you might want to add a case exhaust fan, as the XPS420 doesn't have one, and only uses the PSU fan for that purpose. There are no mounting holes for a case fan, but you can easily attach a 92mm to the mesh at the back of the case using cable ties.

    As you've already upgraded the PSU, that would leave you only needing to spend on RAM (although ddr2 can be pricey compared to ddr3), a graphics card, case fan, and some thermal paste for cpu after the tape mod, which should be a pretty cost effective upgrade all in.
  • KarachiKid 28 Aug 2012 21:14:30 8 posts
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    Superb. Thank you all for your replies. I went and did my research and found what I thought was a nice price-to-performance build. But the cheaper options are there and seem entirely viable. I will take all your considerations into account and have a good look into what I can do. Also, I never realised that the case wasn't ATX. I thought that it was a Generic Eric and would fit any ATX mobos. Wrong again. Thanks again. I am going to do more planning.
  • RedSparrows 28 Aug 2012 22:53:17 23,926 posts
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    sport wrote:
    Bit bored this afternoon so just felt like speccing out another budget PC for any lurkers out there:

    CPU + GPU (A8-3870K) - 71 (after cashback) http://www.amazon.co.uk/AMD-A-Series-Quad-Core-Processor-Warranty/dp/B006J420UE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1346165080&sr=8-1
    MB (Biostar) - 40 - http://www.ebuyer.com/394095-biostar-a75mg-socket-fm1-vga-dvi-6-channel-audio-matx-motherboard-a75mg
    RAM (4GB 1600Mhz) - 17 - http://www.ebuyer.com/272181-kingston-4gb-ddr3-1600mhz-hyperx-blu-memory-module-khx1600c9d3b1-4g
    HD (250GB) - 38 - http://www.ebuyer.com/253741-seagate-250gb-momentus-thin-internal-hard-drive-st250lt007
    DVDRW (Samsung) - 13 - http://www.ebuyer.com/342873-samsung-sh-222bb-sata-dvd-write-optical-drive-oem-sh-222bb-bebe
    Case + PSU (500W) - 23 - http://www.ebuyer.com/366147-605-micro-atx-case-500w-psu-oem-605

    Total = 202!!!

    and this thing will play anything you throw at it. Not at high settings but I think you'll be surprised at what this APU can deliver.
    Wow, nice one sport. Any tweaks for a bit more oomph?
  • sport 28 Aug 2012 23:40:29 12,798 posts
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    @RedSparrows

    Add 10 to double the RAM (these flew off the shelves recently, but I'm sure they'll get more stock in soon) - http://www.scan.co.uk/products/8gb-(2x4gb)-corsair-ddr3-vengeance-arctic-white-pc3-12800-(1600)-non-ecc-cas-9-9-9-24-135v
    Not entirely necessary to have 8GB for gaming I reckon, but nice to have anyway.

    Add 15 for an aftermarket cooler - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Arctic-Cooling-Freezer-Rev-2-Cooler/dp/B002G392ZI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1346192876&sr=8-1
    This runs super quiet and really does the job. As a result, it makes A8-3870K really easy to overclock since it has an unlocked multiplier. You should be able to get it to 3.4GHz, probably higher.

    Also, Ebuyer recently were selling the Kingston 120GB SSDs for 50. These now come with the updated firmware that eliminates previous issues with the drive. Unfortunately I can't find them now (no doubt sold out at that price) but I'm positive they'll be back. So you could swap the exisitng Seagate with an SSD for an extra 12.

    So, 10 + 15 + 12 = extra 37 = 239 Total.
  • Leolian 29 Aug 2012 14:13:59 1,090 posts
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    Will a sata 3 ssd be backwards compatible with sata 2?
  • sport 29 Aug 2012 14:17:43 12,798 posts
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    Leolian wrote:
    Will a sata 3 ssd be backwards compatible with sata 2?
    yup
  • RedSparrows 29 Aug 2012 20:36:25 23,926 posts
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    Sport, you're a star. That's a seriously good price.

    /creditcardisweeping
  • Leolian 30 Aug 2012 19:44:07 1,090 posts
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    DWhat do you guys think of these?

    Was thinking of the basic i5 bundle. I've got a q6600 currently and a 5850. Can sell old parts on ebay for maybe 200 and then get a 660ti or keep the radeon for a while. Already got a 256GB ssd on the way as an interim upgrade.
  • Leolian 30 Aug 2012 19:48:05 1,090 posts
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    Looks like they charge 15 for the overclock and testing. Sounds like a value proposition for me as I've never been any good at getting a good overclock.
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