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  • aine 2 Jul 2012 14:42:01 718 posts
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    I've just built a system with no graphics card as yet - I'm not a huge PC gamer, more of a console person, but it would be nice to be able to play the odd recentish game on it when the fancy takes me. I probably will be using it more for stuff like photoshop and video encoding though. So I'm just after something cheap and a reasonable step up from the integrated graphics (on an i5-3450) - would something like this be a reasonable purchase?

    http://www.waeplus.co.uk/product/161063/Asus-EAH6670-DC-SLDI1GD3-Radeon-HD-667

    It being silent is a massive bonus to me too. But the 6670 is about a year old and was seemingly lower-mid-range when it came out, so I'm not sure if I'd be sacrificing too much by going for that one.
  • grey_matters 2 Jul 2012 14:45:22 3,672 posts
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    I think heard that Sapphire had a silent 7750. Might even have been a 7770.
  • ZuluHero 2 Jul 2012 14:50:54 4,020 posts
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    um what's better?

    MSI-Radeon-6770:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-Radeon-6770-Graphics-Card/dp/B0051BB2JQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1341236944&sr=8-1

    or (for £15 more)

    Asus-nVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-550-Ti:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-nVIDIA-GeForce-Graphics-Express/dp/B005G50ET6/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1341236962&sr=1-1

    Can you guess what I'm building? Yes its the Digital Foundry £300 gaming PC :)



    EDIT: Here is a theoretical comparison:

    http://www.hwcompare.com/9712/geforce-gtx-550-ti-vs-radeon-hd-6770/

    Edited by ZuluHero at 14:58:29 02-07-2012
  • sport 2 Jul 2012 14:53:30 12,545 posts
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    I'm expecting my parts for my budget pc to arrive this week. I'll give a brief summary when it's up and running.

    /excited
  • FutileResistor 2 Jul 2012 15:09:42 1,220 posts
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    superdelphinus wrote:
    Heh, thanks for all that chapz. What about the third generation i5s?
    If you're not thinking of extreme overclocking, then any of the locked Ivy Bridges are better than their Sand Bridge equivalents.

    2500K v 3570K is a bit more complicated. The die-size of the new chips is much smaller and in practice that means they are actually harder to cool. It's just harder to dissipate heat from a smaller volume. There's also a weird ceiling you hit with the chip where beyond a certain point increasing the voltage doesn't increase the clock speed.

    So if you're into extreme overclocking, you will probably be better off with the sandy bridge 2500K.
  • FutileResistor 2 Jul 2012 15:40:47 1,220 posts
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    @ZuluHero

    Neither.

    XFX Radeon 6850

    6850 vs 550Ti

    You should be able to achieve an overclock to 940MHz and memory overclock to 1150 MHz quite easily. At which point it will outperform a stock 6870.
  • aine 2 Jul 2012 16:49:04 718 posts
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    grey_matters wrote:
    I think heard that Sapphire had a silent 7750. Might even have been a 7770.
    They do, yeah - silence isn't essential for me though, its just something it'd be nice to have (if only because my PC is already making more noise than it has any right to, and I don't want to add to it) - I don't think I'd spend the £30ish extra that card costs over a regular 7750 just to get a silent one. I'm just not sure if it's worth me getting a 7750 (or better) at all, considering I don't plan to do a great deal of gaming on it.
  • FutileResistor 2 Jul 2012 20:03:56 1,220 posts
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    @aine

    A 6770 for £50 would be fine for what you want to do.

    The 7750 is a bit pointless given its current price vs the 6850.

    6850 vs 7750

    Edited by FutileResistor at 20:06:35 02-07-2012
  • aine 3 Jul 2012 13:34:40 718 posts
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    Currys seem to be sold out of that £50 one - does anywhere else sell a 6770 that cheap? The next cheapest one I've found is this at £70.

    Edited by aine at 13:34:55 03-07-2012
  • Dirtbox 3 Jul 2012 13:41:20 77,468 posts
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    I've got an extremely overclockable 5770 if you want to make me an offer. Performance is about the same as a 7750.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 13:46:05 03-07-2012

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  • FutileResistor 3 Jul 2012 16:41:11 1,220 posts
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    Still available at PC World.

    Here, but only collect instore.
  • Dirtbox 3 Jul 2012 16:43:43 77,468 posts
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    6770 is a rebadge of the 5770, it's exactly the same card.

    Except that one is a lot slower than mine. Buy mine.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 16:45:01 03-07-2012

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  • Buztafen 3 Jul 2012 16:45:35 16,064 posts
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    True, but £49.91 brand new is a frickin steal!
  • Jonsend 8 Jul 2012 17:04:49 701 posts
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    Looking for comments on these components, I'm a bit out of touch with recent desktop components, I am upgrading an older computer so I have a power supply and HDD for storage, adding a SSD, I also have Win7 x64 licence.

    Been on consoles and laptop for 2.5 - 3 years so only been able to play lower requirement games for that time - time to upgrade!
    Looking to play modern PC games (BF3, tribes ascend, etc.) at 1680 x 1050.

    These are the components I'm looking at:

    Corsair 8GB (2X4GB) DDR3 1600Mhz Vengeance Blue "LOW PROFILE" CL9 1.5V £41.00
    Gigabyte GA-Z77-D3H Socket 1155 VGA DVI HDMI 8 Channel Audio ATX Motherboard £86.93
    Intel Core i5 3570K 3.4GHz Socket 1155 6MB Cache Retail Boxed Processor £179.50
    SAMSUNG 128GB 830 Series SSD - 2.5" SATA-III - PC UPGRADE KIT £79.98
    MSI HD 6850 1GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDMI DisplayPort PCI-E Graphics Card £99.99

    I'm unsure of how balanced the system is, I dont want to piss money away on an overkill CPU that won't be utilised.

    Cheers guys!

    I
  • grey_matters 8 Jul 2012 17:27:07 3,672 posts
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    Depends on your preference. The CPU is a lot stronger than the graphics card so you shave some money off there. However, if you have the money, getting a solid CPU now and adding in another mid-range graphics card (8850 say) in 18-24 months time is a valid way of going about things.

    Edited by grey_matters at 17:28:09 08-07-2012
  • Jonsend 8 Jul 2012 18:06:53 701 posts
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    @grey_matters Thanks for the comments, I'd rather spend a little more now and not have to replace everything when the time comes to upgrade again.
  • FutileResistor 8 Jul 2012 21:47:16 1,220 posts
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    The 6850 is more than good enough in most games at 1680x1050.

    6850 vs 560Ti

    You can get a this 6850 for £90 delivered, cheapest 560Ti is about £145 and it's not that muich better.

    A 560Ti 448 or a 7850 is about £180. 6850 vs 7850

    If you're only concerned about gaming, an i3-2120 at £90 and would be fine because no games really utilise more than 2 cores. Get the 3570K and you probably won't have to change your CPU for a good 5 years.

    Everything else is fine.
  • Widge Moderator 9 Jul 2012 11:24:51 13,260 posts
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    aine wrote:
    grey_matters wrote:
    I think heard that Sapphire had a silent 7750. Might even have been a 7770.
    They do, yeah - silence isn't essential for me though, its just something it'd be nice to have (if only because my PC is already making more noise than it has any right to, and I don't want to add to it) - I don't think I'd spend the £30ish extra that card costs over a regular 7750 just to get a silent one. I'm just not sure if it's worth me getting a 7750 (or better) at all, considering I don't plan to do a great deal of gaming on it.
    I think I have a link to this at home. I enquired if DF would do a "build your own X51 competitor" article, in the same vein as their build a budget PC thing, as I am considering building a front room PC box rather than go next gen console. Forwarded me a link for a Shuttle and a really quiet card.

    Learnt that its not always best to look at card model vs card model FPS stats and then plump for the cheapest one in the range. I ended up with an atrocious 4870 that way, actually had no adaptive fan control so just stayed on HOOVER 24/7. That quickly went back.

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  • sport 9 Jul 2012 11:58:34 12,545 posts
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    ok, here's the budget build I put together last week. The main aims were:

    1) Keep it under £300, hopefully under £250 (No OS)
    2) Offer a zippy Windows experience as it'll mainly be used for programming and development. No photo/video editting.
    3) Play Starcraft 2
    4) Be QUIET as it'll sit in my small lounge.

    So here goes -

    CPU (+GPU) - AMD A-Series A6 3670K Black Edition - £46 (Amazon)
    MB - Gigabyte GA-A75M-UD2H - £58 (Amazon)
    HDD - Samsung 830 Series 128GB 2.5" SATA Internal SSD 6GB/s - £78 (Dabs Outlet)
    PSU - CiT 480W Power Supply Unit with PSU and Dual 12V Rails - Black Edition - £23 (Amazon)

    These prices below are ex-VAT (Ebuyer) - Total for below items came to £66 (inc Vat)
    RAM - Corsair 4GB DDR3 1600MHz Vengeance - £18
    CPU Fan - Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro rev 2 - £12
    DVD - Samsung SH-222BB 22x DVD±RW DL & RAM SATA Optical Drive - £10
    Case Fan - 92mm Black Case Fan - £0.65
    Case - Casecom MA-1199 Shiny Black MATX Tower Case (No PSU) - £14

    Total: £271

    I was only playing with the budget build idea but I saw the A6 pop up on Amazon for £66. AMD are currently doing cashback on various CPUs. This particular one gives £10 back (claim was approved over the weekend). Also, I had a £10 Amazon voucher, so I just went for it. Spiralled from there.

    Bear in mind that this is my first build and I'm a total noob, but I did as much research as I could regarding the components and I'm happy they meet my requirements. I've stated before that I'm not really interested in future proofing.

    First thing to note, the PC is QUIEEEEET \o/ - The case came with a 80mm fan at the back, so decided to get a 92mm instead for a few pennies and replace it. Then went for a decent PSU where the reviews stated how quiet it was - they weren't kidding. Finally, opted for the Artic Cooling fan coz I want to overclock this baby. The added extra is that it's pretty much silent.

    Secondly, I'm confident I can get this CPU over 3GHz (currently at 2.7 GHz). Will try this, this week. But I'm reading every overclocking article I can and it's alot to take in.

    Thirdly, as pointed out in the Windows 8 thread, if you download and use Win8 Release Preivew (for free), you'll be able to upgrade to the official release for £26. That means my system with OS comes in at under £300.

    Now the savings info for other budget builders:

    a) There was a 128GB Kingston SSD going for £60, but the reliabity of the Samsung swung it for me. Still you could wipe £18.
    b) If you're not too worried about noise levels, you could find a case with PSU for around £15. So remove the CTI PSU at £23.
    c) Use the stock cpu fan/heatsink. No Artic cooling, so £15 saved.
    d) Saw cheaper MB's about that could probably do the job - take off £10.

    Therefore you could take about £66 off the total for a budget total of £205.
  • Mr-Brett 9 Jul 2012 12:24:16 12,723 posts
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    Nicely done sport, is having an SSD as you main/only storage drive not a concern for you? I'm not saying it should be, I don't know much about them other than a potentially shorter lifespan than optical disk drives.

    Portable view - Never forget.

  • sport 9 Jul 2012 12:29:36 12,545 posts
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    Mr-Brett wrote:
    Nicely done sport, is having an SSD as you main/only storage drive not a concern for you? I'm not saying it should be, I don't know much about them other than a potentially shorter lifespan than optical disk drives.
    Luckily I do have an external 250G HD already so important stuff will be housed there. In the future I'll probably snap up a internal HD but in no hurry - always on super deals watch though ;-P.
  • Mr-Brett 9 Jul 2012 12:41:01 12,723 posts
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    Ah fair enough then :)

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  • THFourteen 10 Jul 2012 10:39:05 32,857 posts
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    Can anyone find any gaming benchmarks for the original i7-920 Nehalem processor vs today's ivy bridge models? Was considering upgrading at the end of the year, but now starting to think it might not be worth it, and i can spend a bit extra on the gfx card instead...

    trying to work out if i'll be CPU limited on the latest GPUs or not. I'd need a new motherboard and possibly RAM if they've changed the sockets again since last time

    i need a new desktop case (to go under the tv), thinking the silverstone grandia 08 - £107
    a new hd (2gb seagate should be fine) -£80
    couple of Noctua Vortex Fans - £32
    New Noctua low profile cooler (my existing one wont fit in a desktop case) - £46
    USB 3.0 internal card - £20
    5.25" usb 3.0 and memory card reader - £25
    Graphics card - undetermined
  • Deleted user 10 July 2012 11:07:49
    Of course it's not worth it for gaming, upgrade ya graphics card dude.
  • THFourteen 10 Jul 2012 11:17:08 32,857 posts
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    That's what I was thinking. It's probably without a doubt the best CPU I've ever owned, lasted forever.
  • FanBoysSuck 10 Jul 2012 13:09:48 1,448 posts
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    The i7 920 was a thing of beauty, it's still going to have legs for a while and even when it starts to struggle it's an absolute piece of piss to overclock. I think PCI-E 2x will be the system bottleneck before the CPU and that's still a GPU generation or two away from happening. When it does? Crossfire/sli and take advantage of all that bandwidth ;)

    For the emperor!

  • FanBoysSuck 10 Jul 2012 14:38:07 1,448 posts
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    rodpad wrote:
    Doesn't quite work like that with SLI. Most boards just split bandwidth across the full length PCI-E slots. ie 1x16 becomes 2x8.
    True but not for x58 boards. My UD5 does either 1x16, 2x16 or 3x8 for example. One of it's selling points was full bandwidth to multi card configurations, even if in practice it doesn't currently make any difference.

    For the emperor!

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