Ridley Scott's Prometheus (spoilers within) Page 103

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  • Gambit1977 21 Dec 2012 22:35:51 10,399 posts
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    The only reason I can see for Guy Pearce playing Weyland was to have the younger version of him in the virals pre release.

    Fucking stupid idea to be honest.

    But to say Aliens has dated, is a poor relation etc etc, it makes me cry inside.
  • disusedgenius 21 Dec 2012 22:38:46 7,414 posts
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    I'm pretty sure the younger version of him was cut from the main film as well.

    Doesn't stop it being stupid, mind.
  • Gambit1977 21 Dec 2012 22:41:23 10,399 posts
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    I think there's a good half an hour at least missing somewhere.

    The shift from entering the pyramid to 'infection' is so jarring.
  • chopsen 21 Dec 2012 22:47:51 18,922 posts
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    The problem, in a nutshell, is that film tends to makes you go "hang on why is..." And not in a good way that, say, Lost does. But in a bad "are they stupid or something?" way.

    Obviously, it's a bit of fun and just some entertainment. But there's just something about it that makes you go "hang on..."
  • Gambit1977 21 Dec 2012 22:49:49 10,399 posts
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    Lost was 'water cooler' tv. Devised in such a way to promote conversation during break times at work, until the next episode came out.

    That format doesn't work in a single 2 hour movie.
  • MrE26 22 Dec 2012 11:33:57 2,028 posts
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    The whole thing is just way too vague for me. Beautiful looking & sounding film, & i don't mind having questions unresolved, but when the main unresolved question is "wtf was that about?" then you've got a problem.
  • WoodenSpoon 22 Dec 2012 15:13:33 12,339 posts
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    Maturin wrote:
    WoodenSpoon wrote:
    I'm serious. WHY DID WEYLAND PRETEND TO BE DEAD?
    He only had days left to live so went into hypersleep until the time he wanted to wake. This meant he would be gone for years. If he wasn't dead there would have been a lot of questions about where he was - given he was a famous person.
    Why not just tell everyone he was going in to hypersleep?
  • WoodenSpoon 25 Dec 2012 14:01:11 12,339 posts
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    TarickStonefire wrote:
    @WoodenSpoon You can ask questions like that about every single film in existence.
    No you really can't.
  • WoodenSpoon 25 Dec 2012 14:19:58 12,339 posts
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    It's the big twist where Weyland turns out to be alive and onboard the ship; if you're going to make that a crucial plot point then you have to have some justification for it (especially since his secretly being onboard would have been wholly sufficient for the story). As it is you get fuck all, and no one even bothers to question him.

    I mean I agree, this is just one of a million reasons the story is bollocks.
  • chopsen 25 Dec 2012 15:02:16 18,922 posts
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    @TarickStonefire

    Yeah, and that's what I part of what I took away from it too. That was so badly put across though, that you had to actively put work in to make sense of what is basically a very basic plot. There was a theme running through it about an how individual faced with questions about their own existence (if its mortal fear as per Wayland or questions of purpose and justification for the other characters) wants to confront their creator for answers. Compare the woman at the end going off in ship to confront the makers, Wayland commissioning the whole thing in the 1st place, the architects at the start seeking for answers, the android asking questions and justifications for his own life. The whole thing is so badly put across though that you have to actively work at it to make it coherent, and there is so much stuff that is just unnecessary complication and guff that it just makes it a dog's dinner of a film. A pretty dog's dinner, but still a dog's dinners.
  • ecu 25 Dec 2012 16:16:04 79,296 posts
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    Still didn't think the film was that bad. It definitely had problems but I enjoyed quite a lot of it. I've never had a problem with wanting everything explained, and actually sort of like being able to draw my own conclusions from vague plot details, which is probably why I loved Lost so much. I mostly just wish Prometheus had been less confusing with the xenomorph origins. I will definitely watch a sequel.
  • Khanivor 25 Dec 2012 16:24:53 42,990 posts
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    I adored Lost. Prometheus is wank. An earlier poster is right in that it would have worked better as a TV series to talk about. It fails as a film. Feel sorry for all those in production design and implementation to have been let down so badly by their director and his writers.
  • Gambit1977 25 Dec 2012 16:33:31 10,399 posts
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    Having watched it yet again, and then Dredd, I have to ask why a micro budget film can get casting so right, yet mega budget Prmetheus ends up with that Scottish woman who would stand out as a shit actress in the phantom menace!
  • RobAnybody 25 Dec 2012 17:24:29 1,271 posts
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    I've said it brefore and I'll say it again - Ridley Scott hasn't a CLUE what makes a truly great script; the guy is purely a visualist and the films that initially made his name (Alien and Blade Runner) were pure flukes. He just got lucky.

    Now he has his producers' finger in so many pies that he also can't dedicate himself to the production of one film at a time, and boy does it show.
  • MrE26 25 Dec 2012 19:02:50 2,028 posts
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    @TarickStonefire Yeah, i get the basic plot obviously, but the film offers no explanation for why things go tits up. The black liquid in the urns is the catalyst but it's function is never explained, & it seems to react differently each time we see it. I don't need to be spoonfed but leaving everything open to interpretation is pretty shitty storytelling. And don't even get me started on the 2 complete clowns who get left in the structure overnight.

    I didn't hate the film, i just found it frustrating to watch at times.
  • damagedinc 25 Dec 2012 22:03:56 2,203 posts
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    sadly if they just stuck to eggs/facehuggers and aliens with it being lv426 everyone would have been happy.

    sadly fox got involved, lindelof came in to change it and ultimatly he had to come up with something new. which is a odd mess that could maybe be solved with a better second film.
  • skuzzbag 25 Dec 2012 23:03:46 5,950 posts
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    I thought the film was great. Watched it again just now with the wife (her first time) and it pushes my buttons. Completely happy customer here but then I don't OVER FUCKING ANALYSE EVERYTHING!

    If you take out dickhead characters and stupid decisions of most sci-fi films you'd end up with a pretty pedestrian collection of films.

    Aliens is total crap when you watch it now but I still enjoy it.
  • Gambit1977 25 Dec 2012 23:06:41 10,399 posts
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    Aliens is not total crap if you watch it now! Wash your dirty mouth out!
  • skuzzbag 25 Dec 2012 23:12:50 5,950 posts
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    It's terrible. I was surprised that Arnie didn't pop up to be honest it's that cheesy.

    I still love it though it's one of my most watched films.

    Edited by skuzzbag at 23:17:50 25-12-2012
  • ecu 25 Dec 2012 23:37:30 79,296 posts
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    Aliens is still great, I rewatched it on blu ray recently and it's fantastic. The alien is such a wonderful monster you can't help but love it.
  • Gambit1977 25 Dec 2012 23:38:32 10,399 posts
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    skuzzbag wrote:
    It's terrible. I was surprised that Arnie didn't pop up to be honest it's that cheesy.

    I still love it though it's one of my most watched films.
    I can't converse with you, you've got issues!
  • skuzzbag 25 Dec 2012 23:44:35 5,950 posts
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    I am joking mind.
  • Gambit1977 25 Dec 2012 23:48:35 10,399 posts
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    Someone say something?
  • QotSAfan 26 Dec 2012 01:21:34 2,037 posts
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    Prometheus falls apart as a movie on so many levels. The writing is atrocious. None of the characters are developed. No ones motivations are made clear. Twists come out of nowhere with no logical or emotional reason. It obeys all of the most obvious cliches. It feels as though it is smart because it hints at philosophy without actually making any discussion about it. It is themeatically, artistically and emotionally all over the place.

    But the worst part about it is that you can see the creators thought process behind the whole thing as it plays out. That means it loses even the level of basic entertainment value as you get completely sucked out of its world. It is as if whoever wrote it went 'this sounds cool, lets put that in. Hmmm, just need some filler scenes to connect this with the other cool scene I wrote'.


    It is actually worse than the Star Wars prequels. Atrocious film making and it really shows how Scott doesn't care to put in the effort required to make movies theses days.
  • ecu 26 Dec 2012 01:37:49 79,296 posts
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    It's not great but it's not worse than that Star Wars prequels, c'mon.
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