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  • agparrot 26 Feb 2013 20:43:04 11,818 posts
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    Anthony_UK wrote:
    The score is fair enough, but the review was appalling. We want to understand how the game plays and feels through reading the review, not the reviewer ramble on trying to be clever and not mention how the basic mechanics of the game work.
    So you are saying that you have been away to VG247, and that for you personally the generic approach to reviewing games - a sort of by-the-numbers hand-holding through graphics, sound, gameplay, yadda yadda, works better.

    There are countless sites that have reviewed Tomb Raider and other games in exactly this manner. What is the point in homogenising the review structure so that EG also has to follow this tried, tired method? Not all front page articles on EG are esoteric journeys through New Games Journalism and it's a small percentage really that are presented in an unconventional manner.

    If you don't like it, there are plenty of other places you can go to read more conventional fayre. You've obviously already been and done that on VG247, another one of the Eurogamer Network sites, so why do you also have to take away the batshit mental stuff from EG, that some of us actually enjoy?

    EG hasn't ever been any different in the way that it sometimes swings way out to the leftfield for some of its reviews and articles, in all of the time I've been reading it. If you don't like it, you've already provided links to the sort of places that you can get what you are looking for. It's nice that you've spent the time reading the review you hated, and that so many people are prepared to spend so much time discussing why their opinion of the review is more important than the review itself, but some of us quite like the waffle, thankyou, and we aren't exactly spoilt for choice in where to find it amongst the endless procedural checkboxinng of the modern review process.

    tl;dr - If you don't like it, read some other reviews and shut up about it.
  • ronuds 26 Feb 2013 20:44:19 20,494 posts
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    Anthony_UK wrote:
    An opinion piece on VG247

    http://www.vg247.com/2013/02/25/tomb-raider-a-worthy-reboot/
    Thanks - actually has me pretty excited for this!

    I'm already setting myself up for a letdown.
  • UncleLou Moderator 26 Feb 2013 20:46:41 34,654 posts
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    Anthony_UK wrote:
    An opinion piece on VG247 contains more actual information about the game than the Eurogamer full review

    http://www.vg247.com/2013/02/25/tomb-raider-a-worthy-reboot/

    Detailed and to the point apposed to the EG review which begun with the near 8 paragraphs of waffle which could have been spent describing the actual game.

    The score is fair enough, but the review was appalling. We want to understand how the game plays and feels through reading the review, not the reviewer ramble on trying to be clever and not mention how the basic mechanics of the game work.
    Maybe I am missing something here, but that's not exactly a convincing example. The EG review told me about the somewhat dubious character development at the beginning, generic side characters, hud/popup madness, and a lot more about the puzzles. The vg247 didn't contain half as much useful information and mostly listed a few features and that they work alright.

    Edited by UncleLou at 20:47:03 26-02-2013
  • Deleted user 26 February 2013 20:51:26
    Anyone seen game length? I've read three reviews and none mention length. Just need to decide rental or buy.

    Gamespot review got me excited, sounds like an excellent mix of violence, puzzles, exploring and tombs.
  • ronuds 26 Feb 2013 21:04:18 20,494 posts
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    Already a Walkthrough on youtube. Looks terrific, imo!

    I don't know if it goes through to the end. I just watched a little to get a taste.
  • jellyhead 26 Feb 2013 21:12:49 24,346 posts
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    @Pepsipop I've read comments that say 10-15 hours. I doubt that's for 100% though. So it's 10+ at least. Can't find the links but i'll have another look.

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  • Deleted user 26 February 2013 21:20:32
    Thanks, I'm not interested in any collectables but want to do all the optional tombs. Hoping sub 15 to keep it rental.
  • beastmaster 26 Feb 2013 21:21:07 7,965 posts
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    I've just been skimming the scores and not even reading the reviews. I want to go into this as fresh as possible.

    Edit: Only review I've read was the Games Master one.

    Edited by beastmaster at 21:21:38 26-02-2013
  • HairyArse Moderator 26 Feb 2013 21:22:39 8,326 posts
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    True story. I've never played more than 5 minutes of any previous Tomb Raider game.
  • neilka 26 Feb 2013 21:27:28 11,927 posts
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    And two minutes of that was setting up the right camera angle.

    if you have nothing intresting to say then you might as well just throw your bags on the truck and drive away

  • beastmaster 26 Feb 2013 21:39:17 7,965 posts
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    To look at her boobs!
  • Deleted user 26 February 2013 21:42:48
    Smh
  • Anthony_UK 26 Feb 2013 21:50:22 2,080 posts
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    agparrot wrote:
    Anthony_UK wrote:
    The score is fair enough, but the review was appalling. We want to understand how the game plays and feels through reading the review, not the reviewer ramble on trying to be clever and not mention how the basic mechanics of the game work.
    So you are saying that you have been away to VG247, and that for you personally the generic approach to reviewing games - a sort of by-the-numbers hand-holding through graphics, sound, gameplay, yadda yadda, works better.

    There are countless sites that have reviewed Tomb Raider and other games in exactly this manner. What is the point in homogenising the review structure so that EG also has to follow this tried, tired method? Not all front page articles on EG are esoteric journeys through New Games Journalism and it's a small percentage really that are presented in an unconventional manner.

    If you don't like it, there are plenty of other places you can go to read more conventional fayre. You've obviously already been and done that on VG247, another one of the Eurogamer Network sites, so why do you also have to take away the batshit mental stuff from EG, that some of us actually enjoy?

    EG hasn't ever been any different in the way that it sometimes swings way out to the leftfield for some of its reviews and articles, in all of the time I've been reading it. If you don't like it, you've already provided links to the sort of places that you can get what you are looking for. It's nice that you've spent the time reading the review you hated, and that so many people are prepared to spend so much time discussing why their opinion of the review is more important than the review itself, but some of us quite like the waffle, thankyou, and we aren't exactly spoilt for choice in where to find it amongst the endless procedural checkboxinng of the modern review process.

    tl;dr - If you don't like it, read some other reviews and shut up about it.
    I'm a little surprised at how upset you seem to be at me expressing an opinion. 'Read some other reviews and shut up about it' cheers for that.

    I understand that some people prefer the Eurogamer approach, but when I'm looking to a review as a guide as to whether or not i'm going to part with £40, I don't want to been scanning through 8 paragraphs of self serving irrelevant 'waffle'

    As I said, I want the mechanics and the structure of the game explained to a certain extent so I can get a picture in my own mind of how the game plays. Surely information that isn't mentioned, like the slick auto cover system and what seems to be an almost metroidvania play structure are more relevant to comparing the voice actor to a porn star and complaining about the usual cliché characters and the horror of collectables.

    Though this does come from the same reviewer that that said the wife of Alan Wake took women in videogames back 10 years for being afraid of the dark.

    That VG247 wasn't the best example, but it did touch of elements of the game that wasn't covered in the review. That's what I find so frustrating.

    Anyway, each to there own.... but 'calm down dear'
  • itinkuravinalaff 26 Feb 2013 21:51:29 191 posts
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    Well yup I see what all the fuss is about with the eg review. That girl talks a lot of mumbo fucking jumbo bullshite at the start of her review.
  • Deleted user 26 February 2013 21:55:17
    Who here actually moved the camera around to check out hers breasts? Honest answers.
  • neilka 26 Feb 2013 21:57:12 11,927 posts
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    I did Pepsipop. I'm sure yours are nicer and have a lot more polygons.

    if you have nothing intresting to say then you might as well just throw your bags on the truck and drive away

  • ronuds 26 Feb 2013 21:57:56 20,494 posts
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    I was fine with the rear view.
  • Deleted user 26 February 2013 21:59:14
    I knew what your answer would have been. This new Lara seems to be more real, old skool Lara had huge ones with tiny waist.
  • BillCityfingers 26 Feb 2013 22:00:43 424 posts
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    Perhaps if her review had been edited better it could have contained her personality and irreverence and still had room for some of the game info that some here seek from a review? There was nothing wrong with what she was saying per se, just not enough meat to form a coherent and truly informative review.

    *ahem*

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  • jellyhead 26 Feb 2013 22:18:09 24,346 posts
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    Pepsipop wrote:
    Who here actually moved the camera around to check out hers breasts? Honest answers.
    I have a friend who did. Also crawling through tunnels to look at her butt. I assume. I'm sure we, i mean, he once backed lara into a corner that zoomed the camera closer to her to get a zoomed in view.

    What big pixels!

    Seriously though we did it for a laugh because of the hype around her sexuality at the time. A few seconds giggling now and then before back to throwing her off the tallest bit of architecture we could find into the smallest bit of water below :)

    ... The top of the Sphynx was our favorite and they even put a save crystal there for you. Two and a half loops of screaming before *crump*

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  • Deleted user 26 February 2013 22:20:09
    .....


    Just seen tv ad, looks amazing.
  • agparrot 26 Feb 2013 22:25:25 11,818 posts
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    Anthony_UK wrote:
    That VG247 wasn't the best example, but it did touch of elements of the game that wasn't covered in the review. That's what I find so frustrating.

    Anyway, each to there own.... but 'calm down dear'
    I'm not sure why you find it frustrating though - you don't have to take the EG review in isolation, at the end of the day reviews are all largely the experiences of a single person from their playtime with the game.

    I'm perfectly calm, too - but I don't want all reviews to be boiled down to a sort of mechanical reproduction of specific game elements. I like the 'waffle', and as UncleLou says, there is a lot of information about the game even in the EG review. Certainly it doesn't have the standard review checklist, but it conveys a lot of information about the game, the genre, and in many ways how the game fits into a bunch of other issues that have touched the gaming world since the last Tomb Raider game was released.

    I like that stuff, and I am perfectly capable of sourcing information on all the other humdrum elements that you've correctly identified are available elsewhere. Just read that stuff elsewhere, and leave the more esoteric stuff to those of us that like to read it. I don't see what purpose it serves to complain about it, and I don't see the point in comments like this:
    itinkuravinalaff wrote:
    Well yup I see what all the fuss is about with the eg review. That girl talks a lot of mumbo fucking jumbo bullshite at the start of her review.
    I liked the opening of the review. I am an old bastard gamer and the things the review references strike a chord with me in my own gaming memories. It touches on a lot of stuff, and is interesting. It isn't a lot of mumbo fucking jumbo bullshite, albeit it may not be relevant or amusing to everybody.

    I just don't see the value in complaining about it in such a rude and vociferous manner, when ten-a-penny step by step reviews serving the needs of anyone who wants to know the basics about the game can be found pretty much anywhere else on the internet.

    This broader style is often a facet of EG stuff. If you don't like it, you don't have to read it, and you certainly don't have to go on and on and on about how it isn't the same as everything else.
  • Deleted user 26 February 2013 22:30:06
    You definitely come across as the most balanced person on here agparrot. Never ott, never bitchy and generally make the effort to post meaningful things. It is refreshing.
  • Goodfella 26 Feb 2013 22:31:03 1,950 posts
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    Not that this should be a case of taking sides but I'm with parrot on this.

    Bullet point reviews are so dull, they don't actually tell me a lot apart from technical details whereas a more 'organic' review, which Eurogamer tend to provide, are the ones I prefer. They pour their thought, emotions and soul into it rather than provide a by the numbers opinion just to cater for a specific audience.
  • neilka 26 Feb 2013 22:34:36 11,927 posts
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    I thought I was your favourite PP :(

    if you have nothing intresting to say then you might as well just throw your bags on the truck and drive away

  • Deleted user 26 February 2013 22:38:59
    I never said that, I said you make me laugh.
  • Syrette 26 Feb 2013 22:42:33 38,267 posts
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    @Pepsipop

    Just rent it.

    Are you on Lovefilm?

    XBL: rolemodel86 PSN: Syrette86

  • Deleted user 26 February 2013 22:43:25
    No, will goto my blockbuster.
  • kinky_mong 26 Feb 2013 22:47:27 7,955 posts
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    I prefer reviews to be well written critical appraisals of the pro and cons of a games features without going into too much details that could be considered spoiling the experience. But what do I know eh?

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