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  • Toonster 13 Nov 2012 01:28:11 6,821 posts
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    Petitions set up for states to secede from the US. Doesn't seem to be gaining much traction. What idiots.

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  • Psychotext 13 Nov 2012 02:39:49 52,802 posts
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    Given most of the red states cost more than they contribute via taxes I imagine most of the rest of those US would be happy to see them gone.
  • Deleted user 13 November 2012 02:43:37
    Surprised there isn't a petition from Idaho. Even more surprised there's one from Oregon. That's a pretty blue state.

    Not that these petitions will lead to much. Hopefully all this whining will fade to a background hum over the next couple of weeks as they start to realise no-one gives a fuck.

    Edited by meme at 02:45:52 13-11-2012
  • Mola_Ram 13 Nov 2012 03:09:16 6,258 posts
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    It's 100,000 people. That number means absolutely fuck-all in a country of over 300 million. I'm surprised the petitions even made the news.
  • Deleted user 13 November 2012 03:12:42
    It made the news because it's enough for the White House to make an official comment on the petitions. Which will hopefully be "stop being so fucking stupid".
  • Mola_Ram 13 Nov 2012 03:19:26 6,258 posts
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    Still it seems like a far lower number than the idiots that clung onto the Birther theories.

    Actually, I'm not surprised it made the news. We take all the lulz we can get here, even if said lulz come from the completely insignificant.
  • Khanivor 13 Nov 2012 03:41:25 39,895 posts
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    Many of the signers are from different states then the one being petitioned about.

    "We'll, fucking go on then. "
  • Deleted user 13 November 2012 03:49:20
    That would be hilarious should it come across Obama's desk.

    "100,000 non-Texans say Texas should fuck off."
    "Sounds good to me!"
  • ChronoTravis 13 Nov 2012 22:22:23 144 posts
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    This is just immediate knee jerk reaction-ism from overly emotional Obama, haters that are desperate to make their point. There have always been these secession movements, but since the Civil War, they have not gone anywhere, and I don't suspect that this one will either. There are 25 million people living in Texas, so these 25k signatures mean nothing, and neither do the rest of the signatures in a country 300 million people. None of these states could survive on their own, never-mind prosper, and secession will never be a popular movement, in a country where most families and relationships are spread across several states.

    What Texan is going to want to need a passport to visit their mother in Oklahoma? Also, as a person who was born and raised in Michigan, I can tell you that the Michigan signatures are an absolute joke, and that state would never secede, especially since it is a blue state anyway. I'm thinking that this might just be an attempted pre-emptive strike against the shifting demographics in Texas. It has been losing its redness with each election, and is projected to become a blue state a couple of elections from now. Sorry to break it you secessionists, but you did in fact sign on to cede some states rights to the Federal government when your states joined the union, as per the constitution, and the constitution has always been a living document that changes with the times, via amendments, and was never meant to be static.

    True patriot: I'm not very satisfied with these election results, but this IS a democracy, and I will try to convince others of my political views, so that they may vote differently next time. This country, as a nation of people and ideas, is bigger than any presidential administration.

    Fake patriot: I didn't get my way, so I want to split off and form my own country. THAT WILL SHOW THEM! I never signed on to have to make compromises and have to contribute to a society where there may be people who are different than me!
  • teamHAM 13 Nov 2012 23:00:28 2,407 posts
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    The other night I agreed to give 3 of my friends friends a lift to Heathrow. They were American and I was heading to London anyway so thought what the heck.

    After the usual customary greetings we set off. A few minutes later one of the guys casually asked me what I thought about Obama being re-elected. I just said I was glad, and that I didn't fancy Romney much.

    What a mistake that was.

    They were obviously Republicans and completely blew a gasket over it and spent the next 2 hours ranting and raving at me in minute detail about how Obama's policies mean the death of the free world and how he compares to Hitler during the height of National Socialism pre-1939. To say it was an uncomfortable 2 hours for me is an understatement.

    I should mention they were all successful businessmen. Well qualified, well dressed and to start with well-mannered. As soon as they started talking politics they just enraged into something un-natural that I have just never seen before, certainly not in Britain.

    Obviously all democracies have people with strong political views and people that take sides but good grief after that and with everything else going on over in the States I think it's fair to say that they have some deep deep issues going down that goes far beyond the political spectrum.

    Edited by teamHAM at 23:02:25 13-11-2012

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  • ChronoTravis 13 Nov 2012 23:25:33 144 posts
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    Believe me when I say that as zealous as those two were, they are actually a minority. After-all, the majority of voers voted for Obama, and it is only a minority of Republicans that actually get that worked up about it. It is just that these relatively small number of people like your friends, and the petition signers, are just much more vocal and energized than everyone else, and so it seems like it is more wide-spread than it really is. And it does not really go beyond the political spectrum. It is just that people like that tend to get very emotionally invested in their own political views.

    Edited by ChronoTravis at 23:28:08 13-11-2012
  • FWB 13 Nov 2012 23:27:24 42,000 posts
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    Someone's setup a petition for Canada to secede from the USA. That'll show 'em.

    Edited by FWB at 23:27:42 13-11-2012
  • Bremenacht 13 Nov 2012 23:39:08 15,772 posts
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    @teamHAM Didn't stop them from continuing to enjoy your distinctly socialist kindness of a lift though, did it? :)

    A proper free-marketeer would have insisted on hiring a taxi for the journey. Driven by an Indonesian orphan, of course.

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  • Toonster 13 Nov 2012 23:40:59 6,821 posts
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    teamHAM wrote:
    They were obviously Republicans and completely blew a gasket over it and spent the next 2 hours ranting and raving at me in minute detail about how Obama's policies mean the death of the free world and how he compares to Hitler during the height of National Socialism pre-1939. To say it was an uncomfortable 2 hours for me is an understatement.
    If a person believes that Obama is comparable to Hitler and is turning the US into a modern-day Nazi Germany, that gives me cause to believe that this person is literally retarded.

    edit: sorry for insulting your friends :p

    Edited by Toonster at 23:42:17 13-11-2012

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  • localnotail 14 Nov 2012 00:03:00 23,093 posts
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    o_O

    A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

  • FWB 14 Nov 2012 00:04:09 42,000 posts
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    There are racist people. Shock horror.
  • Kid_Icarus 14 Nov 2012 00:21:29 556 posts
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    Its funny how @AntiDARKSKINNED has gone to the trouble of naming themselves "ImNotRacist". Though they should probably add "But..." to the end of it.
  • Bremenacht 14 Nov 2012 00:25:47 15,772 posts
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    I'm glad they're spewing their bile like this. Much better to let it out and allow others to recognise them for what they are, rather than pretend they don't like his policies.

    They don't like Obama because he's black. It's taken 4 years to admit it.

    Must be embarrassing if you're a GoP moderate though.

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  • Khanivor 14 Nov 2012 00:31:32 39,895 posts
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    A good chunk of those tweets would get the tweeter a visit from the cops if posted in, say, the UK :(

    I don't think there are moderate members of the Republican party anymore. Not ones with an ounce of shame.
  • teamHAM 14 Nov 2012 00:36:22 2,407 posts
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    @Bremenacht

    Next time I will definitely think twice about giving people lifts xD

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  • teamHAM 14 Nov 2012 00:39:07 2,407 posts
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    @Toonster

    Not my friends, but friends of my friend. Needless to say when I told him about what I had endured he was horrified and apologised, which I accepted since what I really wanted (an apology from the Americans) I don't think is forthcoming!

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  • teamHAM 14 Nov 2012 00:42:36 2,407 posts
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    Khanivor wrote:
    A good chunk of those tweets would get the tweeter a visit from the cops if posted in, say, the UK :(
    And rightly so. Twitter is (and some of its users are) clearly completely out of control. A lot of what is said on there you could not get away with in public or in any other form of media. It's about time Twitter was either brought in line with the real world or shut down imho. Otherwise this sort of stuff is just going to get worse and worse.

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  • Deleted user 14 November 2012 00:45:36
    The posters of several of those tweets have been tracked down and their respective schools and colleges etc informed. A number of them were in on scholarships. Probably aren't now.
  • FWB 14 Nov 2012 00:53:10 42,000 posts
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    Depends who is in charge there and how important the moron is to the football team.
  • Khanivor 14 Nov 2012 01:01:12 39,895 posts
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    Stopping people from letting the world know they are dickheads isn't going to stop them being dickheads.

    Would it be better if these abhorrence views were never challenged, never brought to the attention of those ignorant of their existence, if their holders were able to have both their racism and their stupidity kept secret? Twitter is also not causing people to be racist dickheads. It is the real world, broadcast loud and clear.

    Racism is ugly. Getting into trouble for harmlessly speaking your mind is worse, from a certain point of view.
  • Psychotext 14 Nov 2012 01:31:25 52,802 posts
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    Problem is, a lot of these idiots aren't really being challenged. They have their local support network of racist idiots who obviously make them feel like they're in the right. You can call them out on twitter, but whilst their friends and family believe the same as they do, they'll never pay you any heed.

    That aside, I don't believe in jailing people for their hateful views... unless they go so far as to threaten someone or abuse them directly.
  • Deleted user 14 November 2012 01:53:48
    It shouldn't be illegal or banned, but it should be culpable. Though the problem with the immediacy of Twitter and FB means, like Youtube comments, people post without thinking. When it comes to social networks, I reckon a simple filter that doesn't forbid or change any text, but warn about it before it gets posted (literally just a "this post contains strong racial language - are you sure you want to post it?" message they have to physically acknowledge), would probably be decent. It would also prevent people from really using a "it was a moment of weakness! I was just stupid!" defense if the shit hits the fan over it, for one thing.
  • Psychotext 14 Nov 2012 01:55:00 52,802 posts
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    "This makes you sound like a cunt, are you sure you wish to continue?"
  • MrTomFTW Moderator 14 Nov 2012 06:24:05 36,297 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    "This makes you sound like a cunt, are you sure you wish to continue?"

    I totally called it.
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  • RedSparrows 14 Nov 2012 11:29:48 20,765 posts
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    This needs to happen.
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