What's America's problem? Page 154

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  • FogHeart 7 Nov 2012 11:57:09 995 posts
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    Geesh wrote:
    Only 39% of white Americans voted Obama.
    That's an excellent page there. Really shows that if you're old, rich, white, male and/or married you're likely a Republican.
  • AcidSnake 7 Nov 2012 11:58:41 7,298 posts
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    I see...We had those in school to pick the girls you liked most...
    Always organised by the girls...

    Don't think it would work in the US though with there only being 2 real candidates...

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  • Psychotext 7 Nov 2012 12:00:05 55,064 posts
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    Just watched the two speeches. Both pretty good.
  • disusedgenius 7 Nov 2012 12:01:23 5,637 posts
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    It's just a bit stupid to ask the question when the outcome also suits their views. And to ask the question about the wrong system.

    Besides AV would be pretty worthless in a 2 party setup anyway.
  • BillMurray 7 Nov 2012 12:45:16 7,918 posts
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  • bad09 7 Nov 2012 12:52:01 6,258 posts
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    FWB wrote:
    Ohh well done Colorado and Washington. Nice work.
    Yeah just heard about as someone randomly posted it on PC gamer of all places :)

    Still a long way to go but certainly interesting and defiant steps. The booze corporations may need to up the money they pump into the anti-weed movement!
  • ronuds 7 Nov 2012 13:02:40 21,788 posts
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    I don't think you could ever leave it up to overall vote - there are just too many votes. Imagine if it came down to one candidate challenging the vote? How long would it take to re-count 150m or so votes? We'd never have a new Pres.

    I'd propose that the EC is changed by rewarding the Electoral Votes so that they are in proportion to the percentage of votes received in that particular state. There's no reason, imo, that a candidate should receive every Electoral Vote if he wins a state by 2%.

    I think then it would be more in line with the popular vote and you wouldn't have one or two states deciding the whole thing. The number of EC votes make it look like Obama won the thing very easily, when in reality it was by less than a percent or something like that (I haven't seen the latest totals, but it was really close last night).

    Edit: Sorry - I'm a page behind!

    Edited by ronuds at 13:12:44 07-11-2012
  • ronuds 7 Nov 2012 13:14:02 21,788 posts
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    Oh yeah, Colorado - WOOHOO!!!!! Hopefully this will start a landslide which other states will follow. It's about freakin' time.
  • disusedgenius 7 Nov 2012 13:17:06 5,637 posts
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    From what I saw the other day, all American popular votes seem to be a few percent, to the extent where the current 2.2% difference seems reasonably sizable.
  • ronuds 7 Nov 2012 13:24:27 21,788 posts
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    Well, I haven't seen the totals since late last night, so Obama extended his lead by a bit. 2.2% isn't that much, though.

    Obama beat McCain by 10m, for example.
  • disusedgenius 7 Nov 2012 13:33:12 5,637 posts
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    Actually, looks like I was wrong in terms of history anyway wiki link. Looks like a pretty big range of results. Some much smaller, some much bigger. Clearly you guys aren't a fan of consistency! :)

    Edited by disusedgenius at 13:33:30 07-11-2012
  • Psychotext 7 Nov 2012 13:33:29 55,064 posts
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    @ronuds: Yeah, but back then people had this retarded impression that having a black president was going to change everything... completely forgetting that 99.9% of politicians are fucking useless and can't get anything done because of other parties blocking them anyway.

    I still remember the arguments on the night he was elected. :D

    Edited by Psychotext at 13:33:53 07-11-2012
  • glaeken 7 Nov 2012 13:42:38 11,266 posts
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    It was an odd sort of enthusiasm last time around. People were acting like being black was some sort of super power.

    The guy had to get where he got by being a politician so expectations that he would be so vastly different to what had come before were silly.
  • Deleted user 7 November 2012 13:42:53
    as Karl Rove conceded yet?
  • Bremenacht 7 Nov 2012 14:09:42 19,693 posts
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    meme wrote:
    I actually agree with the core of his speech, to be honest, it's the partisan shit, like in-house bickering and GOPs blocking everything Dems try to do simply because they're "the opponents", that'll fuck things up both short and long term.
    And yet they won't change. Reality is unacceptable.

    I reckon the recovery will change the normal course of the 2nd term into Obama's best years - 'the best is yet to come', as he said in his victory speech. Obamacare will be affirmed, Bush tax-cuts will not be renewed, growth and jobs will cheer most people.

    I think all this could affect the mid-term elections in favour of the Dems, and thus hammer the GoP's default policy of obstruction and impedance into the dirt. The GoP will then either have to go full-right-wing and see how that plays, or attempt to out-cooperate the Dems in order to win favour with swing voters.

    Incidentally, with Obamacare being affirmed, I wonder if Cameron will attempt to re-brand the basket-case that he's turning the NHS into and attempt to model it along the lines of Obamacare.
  • RobTheBuilder 7 Nov 2012 14:21:50 6,521 posts
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    @Bremenacht God help the world if the Republicans go more right wing.

    I was very proud of America last night. Obama, lesbians, gay marriage, marijuana. Brilliant.
  • AcidSnake 7 Nov 2012 14:26:16 7,298 posts
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    With Republicans still having a majority in the house couldn't they hold off on voting a budget like last time unless they get to keep their precious tax cuts?

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  • LetsGo 7 Nov 2012 14:50:13 5,463 posts
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    It's going to be the battle of the women at the next elections; Clinton vs. Palin

    What a contest that will be
  • RobTheBuilder 7 Nov 2012 14:50:27 6,521 posts
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    There'll have to be some consensus to get things done, but the Republicans are weaker, and Obama no longer has to be mindful of winning a third term.
  • AcidSnake 7 Nov 2012 14:57:06 7,298 posts
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    @LetsGo:
    Jeb Bush or Christie as GOP nominee...Democrats might try Clinton...

    Also, does anyone know if you have to nominate a member of the party or can you put forward independents as well? I remember Ron Paul in the GOP primaries but I'm not sure if he's a republican...

    Otherwise I'd like to see Bernie Sanders trying his luck as the democratic nominee...

    Edited by AcidSnake at 14:57:22 07-11-2012

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  • RobTheBuilder 7 Nov 2012 14:57:58 6,521 posts
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    @LetsGo To quote Alien vs Predator:

    Whoever wins, we lose.
  • ronuds 7 Nov 2012 15:14:23 21,788 posts
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    @Psychotext - I think it was as much that as it was people being terrified of electing another Republican.

    But Republicans need to get on the ball. Everyone sees the party as being stuck in the stone age on certain key issues and that really has to change. To lose this election with the way things are going has to be seen as a giant missed opportunity, imo, although the results aren't at all unexpected.

    I wish Obama luck, though. I certainly would like to see things improve - I don't care who's the one doing the improving.
  • GiarcYekrub 7 Nov 2012 15:22:30 3,903 posts
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    If your on twitter, I follow this American who was staunch Romney supported, he's not taking the result well ... https://twitter.com/JoeCienkowski
  • Salaman 7 Nov 2012 15:32:47 19,637 posts
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    Someone call a doctor. I think the man is going to have a heart attack soon.
  • Deleted user 7 November 2012 15:34:06
    Fuck me. just wow. what a twat.
  • Feanor 7 Nov 2012 15:39:31 14,185 posts
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    The predictions of Dick Morris, professional pundit.

  • RedSparrows 7 Nov 2012 15:41:00 24,317 posts
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    Christ, he's obsessed.
  • President_Weasel 7 Nov 2012 15:41:38 9,685 posts
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    Christie is positioning himself as either:

    Governor of Jersey some more (he likes being Governor of Jersey, and it's one of the most powerful governorships in America with the state constitution being what it is)
    The "hey, let's try reality instead of la-la-la I'm not listening land" candidate for 2016.

    It would be nice to have even one vaguely competent, vaguely moderate candidate in the race for the Republican nomination; one gets the feeling the Tea Partiers and Evangelists are going to blame the loss on Romney being "not rabid enough" and double down on their craziness. I'd love to see the Republicans splinter into three parties and a new political landscape arise in the US.
    It's past time for it to happen; the Southern Strategy won't work any more due to demographics changes, and the three disparate strands of the current Republican party are pulling in different directions.

    - the bible thumping prohibition-loving abortion-hating party
    - the party of Big Defence Spending
    - the party of sucking the cock of big business and slashing the state

    If they double down on the crazy and assume their attack machine will carry the day for them and that Romney lost because he didn't hew to the True Faith, I can see them running Palin or Ryan or (insert random crazy from the "deep bench") and getting utterly destroyed in the polls.
  • sport 7 Nov 2012 15:45:19 12,822 posts
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    GiarcYekrub wrote:
    If your on twitter, I follow this American who was staunch Romney supported, he's not taking the result well ... https://twitter.com/JoeCienkowski
    That's meme!!!!
  • AcidSnake 7 Nov 2012 15:45:57 7,298 posts
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    Has a defeated VP candidate ever attempted to go for the presidency? I think I remember reading that that had never happened...

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