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  • altitude2k 17 Jun 2014 20:32:22 4,087 posts
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    beastmaster wrote:
    I've only really been into F1 over the last few years. I didn't even know Austria used to be on the calendar.

    Is the circuit any good?
    It can be....interesting, in the rain.
  • thelzdking 17 Jun 2014 20:37:40 4,367 posts
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    I can't remember any Austrian GPs.
  • X201 17 Jun 2014 20:39:54 15,254 posts
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    thelzdking wrote:
    I can't remember any Austrian GPs.
    Not even Steve Johnson hitting a deer during practice?

    Edit: It was actually during the race apparently, I'd filed it under practice for some reason.

    Edited by X201 at 20:44:50 17-06-2014
  • thelzdking 18 Jun 2014 12:21:55 4,367 posts
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    A couple of years before my time, sadly. If we're lucky we might get to see JEV ramraid the Ferrari hospitality suite.
  • SaucyGeoff 18 Jun 2014 12:58:17 2,574 posts
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    I remember some good ones in the late 90s. Can't remember much about 2000 to 2003, but then again, the racing everywhere was pretty dull in the those years.

    The big uphill drags into turns 1 and 3 are certainly going to favour the Mercedes cars.
  • X201 20 Jun 2014 09:42:48 15,254 posts
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    "Formula 1 to switch to standing restarts after safety cars in 2015"

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114529
  • dsmx 20 Jun 2014 10:51:58 7,589 posts
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    It's not going to make it more exciting, the problem is in recent years there's been 1 team every season that has a car with a significant advantage over all the other cars and because of this the conclusion of the race is almost a forgone conclusion even before 1st practice starts.

    If they want to make the racing closer and therefore more "exciting" start giving graduated weight penalties to drivers leading the championship. Yes it punishes good drivers with good cars but it would stop 1 team running away with the title as the further ahead in points they got the bigger the weight penalty they would have to carry.

    "If we hit that bullseye the rest of the dominoes will fall like a a house of cards, checkmate." Zapp Brannigan

  • StarchildHypocrethes 20 Jun 2014 11:03:01 25,565 posts
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    I hate that ballast bollocks in BTCC.
  • shamblemonkee 20 Jun 2014 14:24:36 14,319 posts
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    urgh, it's going to lead ot all sorts of cock-ups and wasted time with shuffling in to position, overheating and so on...
  • estoo 20 Jun 2014 15:27:14 2,817 posts
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    Good move imo.

    A standing start is the most exciting thing in motor racing for me.
    If they just stopped them on the grid rather than have them do empty laps behind the safety car that would be a step forward too. I know there would be overheating issues though.
  • Mekanik 20 Jun 2014 18:27:44 3,469 posts
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    So, if theres an accident on the restart and the safety car comes out we stop and have another restart which might have another accident which means another safety car which......

    Dumb idea imo (not because of the above example though). It`s just another way to waste 5/10 mins racing time.
  • Bremenacht 20 Jun 2014 19:22:20 17,777 posts
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    Overheating engines, a sense of disruption - nah. If they're going to change anything, then change how the leader can retake the lead after changing tyres during the SC period. I dunno exactly how that works, but I'd rather see cars gaining some benefit staying out on old tyres. No idea how that could be made to work.
  • mal 20 Jun 2014 19:40:30 22,448 posts
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    Doesn't it happen because the leader has enough of a gap to stop anyway? Or at least if 2nd and 3rd also dive into the pits he has. I don't think there's any retaking going on, though I'll admit my brain tends to find more interesting things to do as soon as the SC light comes on, so I may well have missed something.

    Cubby didn't know how to turn off sigs!

  • Kostabi 20 Jun 2014 19:47:22 4,903 posts
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    The thing is, a single file restart behind the safety car is the only way of restarting a race with the least amount of carnage.

    Just look at Indycar, they've tried pretty much everything except firing them out of a cannon at a restart and the only one that didn't introduce half the grid to the walls were single file behind the pace car.

    Ideally they'd stop the race to avoid 'wasted' laps and then release them after a single warmup lap. This insistence on improving the 'show' is half cocked as it's the constantly unstable rules that are killing the sport. Lock the rules for 5 years and within a couple of seasons the field would be pretty level.
  • altitude2k 21 Jun 2014 05:22:10 4,087 posts
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    mal wrote:
    Doesn't it happen because the leader has enough of a gap to stop anyway? Or at least if 2nd and 3rd also dive into the pits he has. I don't think there's any retaking going on, though I'll admit my brain tends to find more interesting things to do as soon as the SC light comes on, so I may well have missed something.
    Basically this. The SC picks up the race leader at the first corner, and the rest fall in behind. If the leader pits, without a sufficient gap to second (who then doesn't pit), second place takes the lead and falls directly behind the SC.
  • superdelphinus 21 Jun 2014 08:51:29 8,039 posts
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    Kostabi wrote:
    The thing is, a single file restart behind the safety car is the only way of restarting a race with the least amount of carnage.

    Just look at Indycar, they've tried pretty much everything except firing them out of a cannon at a restart and the only one that didn't introduce half the grid to the walls were single file behind the pace car.

    Ideally they'd stop the race to avoid 'wasted' laps and then release them after a single warmup lap. This insistence on improving the 'show' is half cocked as it's the constantly unstable rules that are killing the sport. Lock the rules for 5 years and within a couple of seasons the field would be pretty level.
    F1 has never (and should never be IMHO) been about a level field. There's plenty of other spec series for that if it's what people want. Stifling innovation and development is the problem, if there is one.

    Ant Davidson posed an interesting question yesterday during practice - what would people watch if all the drivers swapped between gp2 and f1?
  • altitude2k 21 Jun 2014 12:17:04 4,087 posts
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    That bit with Ted skipping over the Austrian countryside :lol:
  • StarchildHypocrethes 21 Jun 2014 13:43:01 25,565 posts
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    Man, that Renault engine sucks.
  • StarchildHypocrethes 21 Jun 2014 14:00:54 25,565 posts
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    Oh dear Lewis.
  • StarchildHypocrethes 21 Jun 2014 14:01:18 25,565 posts
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    Williams front row \o/
  • SolidSCB 21 Jun 2014 14:03:42 6,571 posts
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    Considering how much of an advantage they have, Mercedes sure are good at finding some way to fuck it up.
  • SolidSCB 21 Jun 2014 14:04:09 6,571 posts
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    But yay! Felipe! \o/
  • DanB24 21 Jun 2014 14:05:31 1,879 posts
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    lolewis :lol:

    Go go Massa!! Go Williams!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Mekanik 21 Jun 2014 14:13:31 3,469 posts
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    That was surprising but quite welcome.

    Nice one Williams.

    Merc made a bit of a mess of that. Think Lewis made a mistake or was that a car problem? Seemed a bit weird.
  • superdelphinus 21 Jun 2014 14:14:05 8,039 posts
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    Williams :)

    Hamilton "I don't need no shrink" bottled it hard then. Interesting race tomorrow I reckon. Can see massa crashing into bottas on the first lap though.
  • altitude2k 21 Jun 2014 14:57:59 4,087 posts
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    Rosberg says Hamilton spin cost him

    OH PLEASE FUCK OFF.
  • DanB24 21 Jun 2014 14:59:16 1,879 posts
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    Well yes it probably did but it doesn't sound like he's saying he did it on purpose. Media spin trying to make it out as such me thinks.
  • altitude2k 21 Jun 2014 15:00:33 4,087 posts
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    I know...but still.
  • StarchildHypocrethes 21 Jun 2014 15:00:49 25,565 posts
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    Probably did.
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