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  • altitude2k 27 Oct 2013 19:59:50 3,780 posts
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    I dunno, I think the Renault power train has been by far the most unreliable over the last few seasons, even if it has been kitted out with the most tricks. Just not very often it fails with Vettel's car.
  • Nth 27 Oct 2013 21:26:33 3,118 posts
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    I try to be positive but the sport is rotten to the core. Stupid aero dominated regs, Pirelli asked to make stupid tyres, half the teams almost going bust, most money either going out of the sport or to Bernie, no proper testing yet safety is supposed to be paramount. Etc etc.

    I did enjoy Seb's donuts and sheer joy today, and there's pics online of him helping the team to pack away. I just want the other teams to rise up and give him a challenge to prove his skills wherever he's driving. Hopefully we'll at least get some entertainment from Kimi vs Fernando next year.
  • Deleted user 27 October 2013 21:36:18
    Bremenacht wrote:
    Is it next year for new engines? Half expect Mercedes or Ferrari to win one or both titles then.
    It's either 2014 or 2015 when Honda make a return and supply McLaren with a new engine. It might see McLaren goto No.1 providing they get the right drivers in. It was only a couple of weeks ago someone at McLaren made it clear, he thought Alonso was the best driver out at the moment. I bet Hamilton felt that, and took it as, McLaren would be happy to take Alonso back. I'm not too sure they'd have Hamilton back, seeing as he f-cked off to Mercedes.

    Edited by blacksea at 21:37:16 27-10-2013
  • Nth 27 Oct 2013 21:39:33 3,118 posts
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    Honda are back in 2015. They have to get someone better than Perez for the new era.

    I see Kubica won the WRC2 title today, good stuff.
  • Psychotext 28 Oct 2013 01:10:21 53,815 posts
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    Nice to see from Hamilton:

    Massive congratulations to our 4 time world champion. Well deserved. Couldn't of happened to a nicer guy.
    I think it's pretty clear he's in a much better place this year.
  • DanB24 29 Oct 2013 18:13:06 1,787 posts
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/24725406
    Can't see this being anything other than a bad move for them.
    Be interesting to see if he continues in F1 and if so where he goes next.
  • Grax 29 Oct 2013 18:22:39 1,759 posts
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    It was always going to happen, it's a shame though as I always rated Ross brawn, if it wasn't for neway he would be known as the best of his generation

    Edited by Grax at 19:07:11 29-10-2013
  • Kostabi 29 Oct 2013 18:25:37 4,875 posts
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    BAR - Honda - Brawn - Mercedes.

    It can't be a coincidence that the only time the team has been a success is when the giant corporations let the F1 minded guys just get on with it.
  • superdelphinus 29 Oct 2013 18:28:29 8,021 posts
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    altitude2k wrote:
    I dunno, I think the Renault power train has been by far the most unreliable over the last few seasons, even if it has been kitted out with the most tricks. Just not very often it fails with Vettel's car.
    I think Renault are now the most successful engine supplier in f1 history
  • SolidSCB 29 Oct 2013 19:02:17 6,388 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    Nice to see from Hamilton:
    Massive congratulations to our 4 time world champion. Well deserved. Couldn't of happened to a nicer guy.
    I think it's pretty clear he's in a much better place this week.
  • superdelphinus 29 Oct 2013 19:05:18 8,021 posts
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    It's horrible to see that grammar
  • Deleted user 29 October 2013 19:26:00
    I'm beginning to dislike Mercedes. They supply McLaren with engines, and lure Lewis away. They also got their hands on another McLaren person (can't remember his name). They took Ross Brawn on, took what they could from him, then decided, he can go.

    In 2014 i'd like to see McLaren back at the top, Ferrari doing better, and Mercedes loose out altogether, taking down Lewis etc with them.

    Should Ferrari come up with a AAA car, can you imagine, it will be Kimi Alonso 1 2 or 2 1 all season.

    Edited by blacksea at 19:29:21 29-10-2013
  • Grax 29 Oct 2013 19:54:01 1,759 posts
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    What will happen is Kimi and Alonso will trade first and second in the championship all year, Hamilton will be a close third then last race Kimi will be ahead of Alonso in 4th Hamilton first all Alonso needs to do to win is gain one more place all Kimi needs to to gain second in the end they end up on the same number of points and Hamilton will win it
  • superdelphinus 29 Oct 2013 19:58:49 8,021 posts
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    @blacksea they didn't really take brawn on, he sold them the team for a massive amount of money
  • Deleted user 29 October 2013 20:14:58
    superdelphinus wrote:
    @blacksea they didn't really take brawn on, he sold them the team for a massive amount of money
    However you look at it, Mercedes have taken on people, with a view of pursuing one goal, to win, no expense spared (because they can), Brawn's now going. Sure F1 is business, and winning means everything, but with Mercedes they seem more ruthless than the other teams. Even with their financial might, i get the feeling Mercedes will never win an F1 World title.
  • superdelphinus 29 Oct 2013 20:20:02 8,021 posts
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    I honestly don't understand what your point is. You are upset they are trying to win? Mercedes are no better or worse than any of the other teams. For every paddy Lowe there's a peter pedromou. Engineers move between teams regularly, it just doesn't hit the news as much as when the drivers do it. At least merc pay their staff...
  • Psychotext 29 Oct 2013 20:41:45 53,815 posts
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    I reckon Brawn or no they'll be one of the top teams next year with ease.
  • Psychotext 29 Oct 2013 22:51:14 53,815 posts
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    I've seen it many times, but I can never get over the "seating" position that they have in F1 cars (about 2 mins in).

  • Mekanik 29 Oct 2013 23:27:23 3,429 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    I reckon Brawn or no they'll be one of the top teams next year with ease.
    This i agree totally.

    I also am wondering how much RBR may be behind at the start as they seem to have put a lot in to this years car to ensure Seb won the title again. Not sure if they`ll have fallen behind in the development race or not.
  • Psychotext 29 Oct 2013 23:43:10 53,815 posts
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    I'm not sure necessarily works that way. They fought up to the last race in 2010 then walked 2011. Then after walking 2011 they had a pretty tough start to 2012. Then after fighting to the end of 2012 they had another pretty good start to 2013.
  • superdelphinus 30 Oct 2013 00:47:14 8,021 posts
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    I'm not rbr did much development past the new slippy rear wing and front floor at spa did they? Which is pretty much where all the top teams stopped, it's just that red bull's were much better than anyone else's surprisingly.

    I have no idea re next year, all I can hope for is some very closely performing cars. Mercedes seem to have all the bits in place, but they have for a while now in some form or another and they're still a long way behind when it matters...
  • Mekanik 30 Oct 2013 18:45:38 3,429 posts
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    Yeah Psycho. Thats true. Just wondering that with all the huge changes for next season that maybe, JUST BLOODY MAYBE, RBR wont be totally on the ball from the off and other teams can have a chance at doing something.

    At least to make the WDC and constructors last a bit longer than this year.

    Also, has there been any announcement on what the tyre situation is going to be next year? I know it will still be bernies silly paper tyres but will it be a completely new spec or what? After all the problems this year i would hope that something better is in place for next year.
  • DanB24 30 Oct 2013 18:51:03 1,787 posts
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    I'm hoping that the new rules governing the positioning of the exhausts will take away one of Red Bull biggest advantages.
    And also that they won't change the tyres to suit them halfway through the season.
  • Psychotext 30 Oct 2013 22:07:34 53,815 posts
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    They'd have won without the tyre change, they were already pretty far ahead at that point, though not dominant.

    On a different note, various messages (and pictures) of congratulations for Vettel from the other drivers

    Edited by Psychotext at 22:08:08 30-10-2013
  • Mekanik 30 Oct 2013 23:22:53 3,429 posts
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    Hah. I like that. Shows the other drivers appreciate his achievement.
  • DanB24 1 Nov 2013 17:49:56 1,787 posts
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/24776816
    Can't say I blame him one bit.
  • Psychotext 1 Nov 2013 17:51:17 53,815 posts
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    Pretty disgusting that they could get away with doing that to him.
  • thelzdking 1 Nov 2013 17:52:41 4,316 posts
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    DanB24 wrote:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/24776816
    Can't say I blame him one bit.
    Me neither.

    Edited by thelzdking at 17:53:05 01-11-2013
  • altitude2k 1 Nov 2013 18:02:13 3,780 posts
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    Fair play to him, I say.
  • thelzdking 1 Nov 2013 18:06:45 4,316 posts
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    So we're agreed, we will support Raikkonen if he takes industrial action?

    StRAIKing a blow for the working man.
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