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  • Kostabi 9 Sep 2013 17:56:14 4,660 posts
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    He did get his first win in a Toro Rosso. I realise that GP was dictated by weather but outside of Pastor winning last season I can't remember the last time someone won in a car not considered a top 4 constructor.
  • Nth 10 Sep 2013 10:36:09 3,114 posts
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    Bored waiting for the Ferrari announcement now.
  • SaucyGeoff 10 Sep 2013 11:11:30 2,478 posts
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    @Nth refreshing Twitter every 5 minutes?
  • AaronTurner 10 Sep 2013 11:15:06 7,521 posts
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    Yeah, Vettel has already won in a car that isn't a Red Bull. It's bizarre that people don't rate him, he's destroyed his team mate every season and is about to win a 4th (is it? Can't remember!) World Championship.
  • AaronTurner 10 Sep 2013 11:16:37 7,521 posts
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    Also, Ferrari is going to be very interesting to watch next season assuming Alonso is staying. What happens when either driver has a points advantage over the other towards the end of the season? Surely Alonso must have a clause in his contract to ensure he won't take orders to move over? Not sure Raikonen could command that.
  • Psychotext 10 Sep 2013 11:59:07 52,772 posts
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    Alonso doesn't need clauses. He'll just sit in the pit box so as to ensure that his teammate can't get out with enough time left to qualify.
  • monkman76 10 Sep 2013 12:01:51 3,393 posts
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    AaronTurner wrote:
    Yeah, Vettel has already won in a car that isn't a Red Bull. It's bizarre that people don't rate him, he's destroyed his team mate every season and is about to win a 4th (is it? Can't remember!) World Championship.
    Not quite, Webber was in the box seat until Abu Dhabi in 2010 and Ferrari basically threw it away by covering the wrong Red Bull.

    Vettel's been incredibly dominant since the arrival of Pirelli tyres though, don't know if that's a factor.

    Edited by monkman76 at 12:02:28 10-09-2013
  • Psychotext 10 Sep 2013 12:07:56 52,772 posts
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    Aye, though it took two crashes and two car failures to have that happen. Once Vettel stopped crashing he was pretty much untouchable.

    Edited by Psychotext at 12:08:08 10-09-2013
  • SaucyGeoff 10 Sep 2013 14:32:33 2,478 posts
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    monkman76 wrote:
    Vettel's been incredibly dominant since the arrival of Pirelli tyres though, don't know if that's a factor.
    Although Vettel adapted to Pirelli quicker than anyine, the key factor is age. In 2010 Vettel was very young, and no where near the level he's been at this season. Webber was already at his peak then, and that 2009 and 2010 were the years where he needed to take his chance.

    2010 was the year Red Bull enjoyed there biggest car advantage, apart from the low downforce tracks their rivals only had a chance when RB stuffed it up. Which the regularly did, meaning the title went all the way to the wire.
  • SolidSCB 10 Sep 2013 15:56:52 5,822 posts
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    It's going to be interesting at Ferrari next season. There is clearly going to be a shift in approach to next season. No way would Kimi be going back there if he hasn't been assured he isn't going to suffer the same political, suspension-fiddling bollocks he did for the last year and half of his last run with the team. Alonso has blown his chance at having the team built around him with a patsy support driver now. Might as well fetch someone in who is actually a proven winner at Ferrari.
  • monkman76 10 Sep 2013 15:59:48 3,393 posts
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    In fairness Alonso has been driving the wheels off an average car for a while now. Don't be surprised if he shows Raikkonen up.
  • shamblemonkee 10 Sep 2013 16:04:05 14,036 posts
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    @SolidSCB alonso is the sole reason Ferrari aren't having a 'McLaren' Season :D
  • Grax 10 Sep 2013 16:05:42 1,200 posts
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    @monkman76 you could say the same about Reikkonen, it cant all be lack of skill that has kept grosjean so far down the pecking order
  • Psychotext 10 Sep 2013 16:45:09 52,772 posts
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    shamblemonkee wrote:
    @SolidSCB alonso is the sole reason Ferrari aren't having a 'McLaren' Season :D
    Rubbish. The car has been the fastest in race trim at a number of races, it's just been generally shit in qualifying.

    The problem is that Massa has had such an appalling season that it's made Alonso look like he's driving the skin off the car.

    I still think Alonso will hand Raikkonen his arse, but the Ferrari is no-where near as bad as people have made it out to be.
  • Rusty_M 10 Sep 2013 17:32:20 4,344 posts
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    If they can get along together, I think Alonso and Raikkonen could make a scarily powerful team.

    The world is going mad. Me? I'm doing fine.

  • SolidSCB 10 Sep 2013 17:44:14 5,822 posts
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    Surefire constructors championship material. It'll be without doubt be the best partnership in decades. It's going to be interesting to see how it plays out though. If they are given truly equal footing, Raikkonen will upset the apple cart. He's proven he can get it done at Ferrari with minimal fuss, it's no wonder they've admitted they made a mistake and got him back.
  • altitude2k 10 Sep 2013 18:00:39 3,147 posts
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    Or self-destructive. I can't see Raikkonen doing what Massa does for Alonso. Or, indeed, vice versa.
  • ISmoke 10 Sep 2013 19:48:36 529 posts
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    I thought Mercedes had the best all round team. If this rumour is true, and i think it is, then 2014 Ferrari will have the best pairing on the grid.
  • altitude2k 10 Sep 2013 19:54:03 3,147 posts
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    Massa confirmed out of Ferrari in 2014.

    Personally, I think it's the Hulk.
  • SolidSCB 10 Sep 2013 19:54:57 5,822 posts
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    Felipe Massa has just announced (via Instagram of all places) that he won't be driving for Ferrari in 2014. The wheels are in motion.
  • Psychotext 10 Sep 2013 20:48:50 52,772 posts
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    Yup.
  • urban 10 Sep 2013 20:51:30 10,892 posts
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    What's Smedley gonna do I wonder?
  • superdelphinus 10 Sep 2013 20:52:26 7,262 posts
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    Will Buxton thinks alonso is going back to Renault?!
  • Kostabi 10 Sep 2013 20:52:29 4,660 posts
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    Finally engineer a world champion?
  • SolidSCB 10 Sep 2013 20:54:06 5,822 posts
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    Zing!
  • altitude2k 10 Sep 2013 20:54:12 3,147 posts
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    superdelphinus wrote:
    Will Buxton thinks alonso is going back to Renault?!
    He needs to spend less time on his hair, and more time on his job.
  • Bremenacht 10 Sep 2013 21:51:53 15,741 posts
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    SolidSCB wrote:
    Surefire constructors championship material.
    Surefire drivers' championship disaster. Vettel will be laughing, 'cos this move has taken out two close rivals. It's down to Hamilton to challenge him now, assuming MB can provide the car.

    Once an eagle taught me courage. And I will never forget that day

  • SaucyGeoff 10 Sep 2013 22:52:03 2,478 posts
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    Pleased Ferrari let Massa announce it himself. Really like the guy, the dignified way he handled himself post race Brazil 08 has always stuck with me,but 3 podiums in 3 years doesn't cut it. Can't see another team taking him.

    Love to be proved wrong, but I think Alonso will comfortably get the better of Kimi.
  • Psychotext 10 Sep 2013 23:32:37 52,772 posts
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    BBC reporting it as fact... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/24042352

    Kimi Raikkonen will join Fernando Alonso at Ferrari in 2014.

    The Finn, who won the world title with Ferrari in 2007 but was replaced by Alonso at the end of 2009, has signed a one-year deal with an option for 2015.
  • Nth 11 Sep 2013 09:33:18 3,114 posts
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    superdelphinus wrote:
    Will Buxton thinks alonso is going back to Renault?!
    BuxtON
    BensON
    EasON

    The 3 worst F1 journalists by far. The ON club. EJ is one vowel away :D
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