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  • AaronTurner 29 Nov 2012 12:45:45 6,881 posts
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    That's whinging? We have no hope.

    Anyway, glad this didn't turn into a large controversy, it wouldn't have been good for the sport.
  • superdelphinus 29 Nov 2012 12:50:33 6,177 posts
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    I love the way the fia refused to speak to benson and gave autosport an exclusive
  • superdelphinus 29 Nov 2012 12:50:58 6,177 posts
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    It's backfired a little bit pr wise for alonso/ Ferrari hasn't it
  • Psychotext 29 Nov 2012 13:04:46 49,221 posts
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    Their legions of fans are still arguing the case on various forums. The latest is that someone added the flag and that it isn't on the official footage.

    (Not sure why FIA would base their decision on a gif though)

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  • superdelphinus 29 Nov 2012 13:11:55 6,177 posts
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    Ha ha
  • AaronTurner 29 Nov 2012 13:15:03 6,881 posts
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    I dunno, Ferrari simply asked the FIA to clarify the situation. As ever the F1 circus has blown it out of proportion.
  • AaronTurner 29 Nov 2012 13:24:52 6,881 posts
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    Just read James Allen's synopsis of the button v Hamilton battles, really interesting. It's quite clear Hamilton is a more talented racer but shows that racing with maturity can be a healthier option.
  • Psychotext 29 Nov 2012 17:45:16 49,221 posts
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    Kimi Raikkonen in the new Apple Maps commercial (iOS 6). Put subtitles on.



    Edited by Psychotext at 17:45:34 29-11-2012

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  • Whizzo 29 Nov 2012 18:52:37 41,155 posts
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    That's brilliant!

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  • FWB 30 Nov 2012 00:16:09 39,099 posts
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    Hope Ferrari win fuck all next season.
  • superdelphinus 30 Nov 2012 00:28:07 6,177 posts
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    Pretty good chance of that to be fair
  • Psychotext 30 Nov 2012 01:37:32 49,221 posts
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    I don't know about that. Their race pace has been there or thereabouts and without DRS being available in qualifying they should have pretty much exactly the same pace as they do in the race.

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  • blacksea 30 Nov 2012 07:02:08 648 posts
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    Having seen the video, Vettel overtakes during a yellow (an overtaking manoeuvre that is illegal in F1). On the other hand, since nothing was said or done during the race, the result should stand as it is.
  • superdelphinus 30 Nov 2012 07:36:07 6,177 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    I don't know about that. Their race pace has been there or thereabouts and without DRS being available in qualifying they should have pretty much exactly the same pace as they do in the race.
    There's still a pretty good chance they won't win anything
  • AaronTurner 30 Nov 2012 08:01:32 6,881 posts
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    I disagree, if he's guilty of passing in a yellow zone then he should be punished like anyone else would be. You can't just ignore it because he won the championship, that's intrinsically unfair. All evidence points towards a green flag being saved though.
  • mad_caddy 30 Nov 2012 09:05:49 3,276 posts
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    blacksea wrote:
    Having seen the video, Vettel overtakes during a yellow (an overtaking manoeuvre that is illegal in F1). On the other hand, since nothing was said or done during the race, the result should stand as it is.
    he goes past a green flag waved by a marshall, and then makes the pass before the next green light track side. he doesn't pass under a waved yellow flag.
  • Psychotext 30 Nov 2012 13:06:14 49,221 posts
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    lol, Ferrari have declared the matter "closed" (like they had any choice in that), and said the only reason they brought it up is because fans were asking them about it.

    /chuckles

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  • LeoliansBro 30 Nov 2012 14:28:09 35,125 posts
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    Made me smile.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • Mekanik 30 Nov 2012 14:52:50 3,176 posts
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    Anyone been to Spa before?

    Thinking of getting tickets for me and my old man for his xmas/my 40th birthday pressie next year.

    Any recommendations on where to sit?

    Looking at Eau Rouge, Pit (start/finish) or just after La Source corner.

    Mightily tempting and always promised i would go to at least one gp race. And Spa is probably easier for me than silverstone......
  • Psychotext 30 Nov 2012 15:41:46 49,221 posts
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    I'm going there next year.

    If you're talking grandstands then you'll see most overtakes from the Combes stand. La Source is obviously bang on the hairpin so you'll see the cars at their slowest there (and there should be some overtakes as well).

    However, any of the grandstands in the main complex will be good. Not sure where I'm picking yet.

    Edit - La Source is sold out on the normal site I use... so not there I guess. :)

    Edited by Psychotext at 15:43:46 30-11-2012

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  • Stockings 30 Nov 2012 16:35:09 285 posts
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    @AaronTurner Although I would say Hamilton would be far, far more likey than JB to win a title due to his risk-taking adn agression.

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  • altitude2k 30 Nov 2012 21:37:03 1,276 posts
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    A bit conflicted towards the end of the season. I'd rather see Alonso win the title, but I'd much rather Red Bull won championships than Ferrari.

    But that said, if there was any doubt about that overtake, why the hell wouldn't Ferrari request that the FIA investigate?

    Anyways, roll on next season. Really looking forward to seeing what Lewis does with no pressure combined with Brawn with plenty of pressure. Would be very surprised if he doesn't win a race.

    Edited by altitude2k at 21:39:06 30-11-2012
  • Psychotext 30 Nov 2012 22:05:46 49,221 posts
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    altitude2k wrote:
    But that said, if there was any doubt about that overtake, why the hell wouldn't Ferrari request that the FIA investigate?
    Because it's the kind of thing which you're supposed to refer to the stewards whilst the race is going on, or within half an hour of it ending.

    Like Alonso said, trying to change a championship result that way is a joke.

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  • AaronTurner 30 Nov 2012 22:29:24 6,881 posts
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    But it didn't come to light until after the grand Prix. I think its fair enough to investigate afterwards, it would happen after any race in the season so why not the last one?
  • Psychotext 30 Nov 2012 22:37:30 49,221 posts
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    It came to light in the GP, two of the three supposed yellow flag overtakes did. You have to remember that the teams have people watching their rivals for things like that, especially Ferrari.

    Oddly Alonso's yellow flag overtake wasn't mentioned until after the race though (I imagine sour grapes from the Red Bull fans).

    Edited by Psychotext at 22:38:01 30-11-2012

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  • altitude2k 1 Dec 2012 09:02:08 1,276 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    altitude2k wrote:
    But that said, if there was any doubt about that overtake, why the hell wouldn't Ferrari request that the FIA investigate?
    Because it's the kind of thing which you're supposed to refer to the stewards whilst the race is going on, or within half an hour of it ending.

    Like Alonso said, trying to change a championship result that way is a joke.
    As AaronTurner says, if this wasnt on the main FIA feed and didn't come to light until after the race, how could they have brought it up on the day? And if indeed he had broken the rules, should they just have let it go?

    The fact is that the FIA grant until 30th November to raise any concerns. Ferrari were well within their rights to do so. And I believe morally they were also obliged to get clarification.
  • DanB24 1 Dec 2012 10:09:57 946 posts
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    I agree.
    If Vettel had broken the rules then he would have deserved any punishment that he received retroactive or not.
  • Bremenacht 1 Dec 2012 13:04:20 11,247 posts
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    Yeah, and rather than Ferrari being to 'blame' for pointing it out, it would actually have been Vettel's fault for actually doing it.

    Anyway. No harm done. Nothing to see.

    Anyone with access to both channels care to sum up Sky's coverage this year and/or compare with the Beeb? I suspect the BBC coverage will be a bit duller next year 'cos whatsherchops doesn't really do 'fun' or 'silliness' although perhaps she'll have to.

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  • Kostabi 1 Dec 2012 13:29:44 3,921 posts
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    I'd say it was about even to be honest, with a plus or minus point in either direction depending on your view of Eddie Jordan. Both produced some decent features and both presenting teams talk a great deal of guff, but personally I thought Hill and Herbert were pretty good by the last third of the season.
  • Jono62 1 Dec 2012 13:36:46 12,738 posts
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    Lazenby is pretty poor as a presenter. Lee McKenzie was ok when she stepped in, just a bit dour. I preferred Croft on the radio. He seems too shouty on Sky.

    Coulthard is the best thing about the BBC coverage; insightful, funny and engaging. If they lose him, then their coverage will be crap.

    Edited by Jono62 at 13:50:15 01-12-2012

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