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  • Psychotext 18 Nov 2012 22:56:49 54,297 posts
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    Jono62 wrote:
    Why is Vettel moaning about the overtake?
    For what it's worth at this late stage, he was having a go at the cucumber for getting in the way (Which in fairness, he really did).

    Unrelated, this is how next week is going down.


    In Brazil we get rain on race day, Vettel starts from pole but is taken out by Hamilton at the first corner. Heading towards the end of the race and we've got with Hamilton in first, Button second, Webber third and Alonso fourth, but way back. Final lap, the track is drying when Webber mysteriously spins out on the first corner and is passed when getting back up to speed.

    Alonso wins the championship by two points. Helmut Marko has Webber's dog murdered.
    Edited by Psychotext at 22:59:16 18-11-2012
  • superdelphinus 18 Nov 2012 23:02:16 8,074 posts
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    Both drivers lost around the same time due to backmarker a at various stages of the race. Vettel is under a shit load of pressure to be fair to him
  • superdelphinus 18 Nov 2012 23:03:35 8,074 posts
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    I can see vettel dnf ing and then alonso stuck in 4th behind a miraculously fast petrov
  • Psychotext 18 Nov 2012 23:04:32 54,297 posts
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    Yeah, but there's losing half a second when you're managing a 1 second gap and there's losing half a second when you're catching half a second a lap. These are obviously two fairly different things.

    It's par for the course as a leader though. You'll almost always get the worst of backmarkers because once they've let you past they're far more aware of the next car coming through.

    That aside, the HRTs shouldn't even be racing. They're a joke.
  • superdelphinus 18 Nov 2012 23:12:40 8,074 posts
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    It's all much of a muchness. There two occasions where Hamilton was around 0.7 seconds behind 1 lap, got unfortunate with the traffic and ended up 1.6 seconds back the next lap. Closing down or defending a gap makes no difference in terms of luck or the value of it in my opinion.
  • Saucy 18 Nov 2012 23:30:49 2,581 posts
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    If it's the difference between 1st and 2nd every team on the grid would have a good moan about it and emphasise it to the media. The HRT didn't break any rules though, you win some you lose some.

    McLaren and Red Bull seem evenly matched at the moment, if they both have trouble free weekends in Brazil then I can't see Alonso doing it.
  • Psychotext 18 Nov 2012 23:37:51 54,297 posts
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    Don't get me wrong, I don't want the HRTs gone because of this incident (or many others). I just think they don't add to the sport in the slightest.
  • Saucy 18 Nov 2012 23:40:47 2,581 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    I just think they don't add to the sport in the slightest.
    Hard to disagree with that. They're racing nobody.
  • Bremenacht 19 Nov 2012 00:10:42 18,438 posts
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    What went wrong with Webber? Taking a place from the start? Unthinkable. Is he ill?

    Really pleased to see Lewis grab a win, if for no other reason that it'll make Brazil a bit more interesting. Interesting track - I didn't think it'd provide much entertainment, but it did. Thoses esses must be murder on the driver's necks.
  • RobTheBuilder 19 Nov 2012 00:39:01 6,521 posts
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    @SaucyGeoff I don't want to go back to the days of 20 cars. It's good to have more cars. If they aren't quick next year they will go bust or get bought out so no need to worry.
  • superdelphinus 19 Nov 2012 00:53:58 8,074 posts
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    I was just randomly looking on an Austin news website's guide to f1 and "Williams - Renault comes from South America"
  • superdelphinus 19 Nov 2012 01:02:04 8,074 posts
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    SaucyGeoff wrote:
    Psychotext wrote:
    I just think they don't add to the sport in the slightest.
    Hard to disagree with that. They're racing nobody.
    And surely the money spent on them could be spent better elsewhere. F1 ain't cheap, even if you are hopelessly crap
  • RobTheBuilder 19 Nov 2012 01:09:07 6,521 posts
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    @superdelphinus But it's not as if F1 itself is spending money on them. They'll be paying the FIA to race, and finishing last means they will get little in the way of prize money.

    Also, if you think they are terrible, you clearly forget the random privateer teams of the 70's, 80's and 90's.
  • Psychotext 19 Nov 2012 01:13:40 54,297 posts
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    At least they were entertaining. HRT are just... /shrug.
  • RobTheBuilder 19 Nov 2012 01:20:27 6,521 posts
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    @Psychotext HRT are a nothing team, but I think you may be reflecting too positively on some of the joke teams that existed in the early to mid 1990's.

    Besides, a couple of years of being a joke usually inspires them to either quit or make a real investment.
  • Psychotext 19 Nov 2012 01:55:22 54,297 posts
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    At least they used to blow up in spectacular fashion. That doesn't seem to happen much these days.
  • RobTheBuilder 19 Nov 2012 02:05:33 6,521 posts
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    @Psychotext True, but none of the engines do these days with rev limits and engine distance regulations.

    Maybe we need more kamikaze drivers to take those spots.
  • Psychotext 19 Nov 2012 02:18:46 54,297 posts
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    Unrelated... I don't think there was a single crash this race was there? The US fans must have been REALLY confused by that. :D
  • RobTheBuilder 19 Nov 2012 02:27:38 6,521 posts
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    Especially with Grosjean!
  • shamblemonkee 19 Nov 2012 09:42:19 14,431 posts
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    what a great race, i was so worried in the run up that it would be a snooze fest.

    always great to see the drivers stuggling with the cars and seeing the cars move around so much, and with the cnoservative tyre choice we also got to see the drivers really truly pushing for much of the race for once.

    The battle at the front was scintilating, i'm not convinced that HAM would have passed VET without the hold up, but it had been clear all weekend that anyone catching a slower car into the maggots, beckets photocopy would be heavly compromised.

    What a team-mate Massa is. :D
  • Saucy 19 Nov 2012 12:22:01 2,581 posts
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    shamblemonkee wrote:
    What a team-mate Massa is. :D
    He was on it this weekend, probably better that Ferrari moved him behind Alonso on the grid rather than do it later in the race when he could have been 20 seconds up the road.
  • shamblemonkee 19 Nov 2012 12:40:12 14,431 posts
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    Absolutely, Alonso needed every little thing possible in his favour this weekend to recover after qualifying - that meant he had to be on the used side of the track. Still he did well to gain so many places.

    Massa is finally looking like the chap who won the WDC in 2008 for about 45 seconds, great to see him putting in good races again, so it's a bit of a shame that he'll always be Alonso's sidekick at Ferrari.
  • RobTheBuilder 19 Nov 2012 12:42:30 6,521 posts
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    @shamblemonkee if Massa had been driving like this all season I think he would be going to Mclaren not Perez.
  • Kostabi 19 Nov 2012 12:55:29 4,932 posts
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    If Massa was actually capable of stringing a season together he wouldn't still have the sidekick label.

    It's amazing he has been with a top flight team for so long and yet when his contract was up for renewal he wasn't on the radar of anyone outside Ferrari.
  • shamblemonkee 19 Nov 2012 13:01:02 14,431 posts
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    37pts in the league, was dead chuffed, until i saw it had done me chuff all good in the standings :p
  • Bremenacht 19 Nov 2012 15:30:00 18,438 posts
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    I'm off the bottom! I'm probably beating people who haven't updated their teams since April though.. :(
  • altitude2k 19 Nov 2012 15:35:14 4,407 posts
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    shamblemonkee wrote:
    37pts in the league, was dead chuffed, until i saw it had done me chuff all good in the standings :p
    55 ;-) although way too far off the top myself.
  • RobTheBuilder 19 Nov 2012 17:00:55 6,521 posts
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    Wow.

    Just learnt that Sir Stirling Moss apparently taught my grandad to drive...
  • Mekanik 21 Nov 2012 13:36:52 3,572 posts
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    altitude2k wrote:
    shamblemonkee wrote:
    37pts in the league, was dead chuffed, until i saw it had done me chuff all good in the standings :p
    55 ;-) although way too far off the top myself.
    51 for me. Wish i had swapped Vet/Ham for first/second but i chose Vet for the win thinking it was guaranteed points......I knew i should have stuck with Hammy!!!

    That`ll teach me.
  • shamblemonkee 21 Nov 2012 13:41:06 14,431 posts
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    i've been putting ham, vet, alo on the podium all season, why did no one tell me before the USGP that it was the f1 equivilent of winning the lotto? :p
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