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  • blacksea 18 Nov 2012 09:59:48 648 posts
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    Thank you BBC for putting on the highlights at 10:30pm ?
    That means having to stay up to 12:30 tonight, and I have to be up at 6am

    Guess 'Escape to the Country' 'Nature's Miracle Babies' 'Songs of Praise' 'Nigel Slater's Dish of the Day' 'Countryfile' 'Strictly Come Dancing: The Results' 'Antiques Roadshow' and 'The Secret of Crickley Hall' are all far more important ?

    I don't watch any of that stuff. I'd rather not have to pay the TV licence, and hand the cash to Sky so I can watch something I do want to watch, F1 being one of the few things I bother to tune into.

    Edited by blacksea at 10:00:55 18-11-2012
  • wobbler147 18 Nov 2012 10:15:21 4,985 posts
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    They can't put it on any earlier due to sky's live broadcast still being on.
  • Mekanik 18 Nov 2012 10:53:47 3,176 posts
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    So, Alonso or Vettel out on the first corner?

    I can see Hamilton pushing Vettel and taking a risk on the first corner. He has nothing to lose and Vettel has everything. Might be a good chance for Hammy to take a win? If his Mclolren doesnt pack in half way....
  • Kostabi 18 Nov 2012 10:58:40 3,920 posts
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    If Hamilton does push Vettel wide I can see him being collected by a late braking hero from the midfield. Lewis' starts are often better than those around him, that's for sure.

    For some reason I have a gut feeling Grosjean might do something special.
  • Mekanik 18 Nov 2012 11:21:48 3,176 posts
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    I pity the driver that knocks out alonso or vettel. They`ll be on the wrong end of some serious wrath.
  • shamblemonkee 18 Nov 2012 13:55:00 13,474 posts
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    lewis is on the 'wrong' side at the start though. he'll likely be struggling to hold position
  • wobbler147 18 Nov 2012 14:02:16 4,985 posts
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    @JennieGow: Rumours on the internet that Massa has 5 place grid penalty after gearbox change, promoting ALO to clean side 7th, trying to confirm now #F1

    Now why wouldn't that surprise me, Ferrari shenanigans well I never!
  • MMMarmite 18 Nov 2012 14:10:08 616 posts
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    @blacksea you do realise that the US is behind GMT right? and that the race starts live at 7pm GMT?
  • Nth 18 Nov 2012 15:06:36 3,027 posts
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    Fuck's sake 10.25 on BBC. Dodgy live stream it is then.
  • Kostabi 18 Nov 2012 15:19:52 3,920 posts
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    shamblemonkee wrote:
    lewis is on the 'wrong' side at the start though. he'll likely be struggling to hold position
    I wouldn't be surprised if more is being made of the 'wrong' side to be honest. All it takes is someone to be slow away and that entire of the grid behind them is compromised.
  • superdelphinus 18 Nov 2012 15:34:45 6,177 posts
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    I dunno - I saw a couple of onboards of practice starts on that side and it looked terrible. Massive wheelspin through each of the first 3 gears or so
  • Mekanik 18 Nov 2012 16:28:57 3,176 posts
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    Lol.

    "Amusing speculation that if Ferrari change Massa gearbox, Red Bull would suddenly find problem with Webber's, putting ALO back on dirty side
    @andrewbensonf1 1 hour ago"
  • Mekanik 18 Nov 2012 16:30:05 3,176 posts
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    Also, according to bbc tweet stuff, the "wrong" side drivers are expected to lose at least 2 places at the start its that bad.
  • SaucyGeoff 18 Nov 2012 17:04:44 2,170 posts
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    Not sure if there is any substance to this, or if its just Twitter rumour, but I hope they don't move Massa back. American F1 fans have seen F1 at its worst, and this won't help.

    EDIT: and now they've done it. Poor from Ferrari, messes with other peoples races aswell.

    Edited by SaucyGeoff at 17:06:44 18-11-2012
  • altitude2k 18 Nov 2012 17:09:46 1,276 posts
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    Now, can anybody think of a single race where they have talked plenty about the dirty side (especially for new tracks) and it has actually made a significant difference at the start?

    Because for the life of me, I really cannot.
  • SaucyGeoff 18 Nov 2012 17:39:04 2,170 posts
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    I remember it used to be an issue in Hungary, but not heard any mention of it there for about 10 years.

    Suppose Ferrari are doing the right thing tactically, it shouldn't be allowed, but the loopholes are there to be exploited. I do hope they man up and admit it.
  • superdelphinus 18 Nov 2012 17:43:56 6,177 posts
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    Ferrari head of press just confirmed they've taken the penalty. At least they were open about why...
  • FWB 18 Nov 2012 17:51:40 39,099 posts
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    Haha. Dodgy as fuck.
  • thelzdking 18 Nov 2012 17:58:12 3,391 posts
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    F1 is being F1.
  • MMMarmite 18 Nov 2012 18:01:20 616 posts
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    Team orders are allowed this season so although perhaps immoral, it's not that dodgy, surely you'd want to give your championship contender the best chance possible?

    I imagine Red Bull or McLaren would do the same if they were in the position to.
  • FWB 18 Nov 2012 18:03:05 39,099 posts
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    Of course it is dodgy, regardless if it is legit. And doesn't matter who does it. I'd still have made that comment.
  • thelzdking 18 Nov 2012 18:03:51 3,391 posts
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    I think any team would do the same. Except maybe HRT because their car might fall apart if touched.
  • FWB 18 Nov 2012 18:05:46 39,099 posts
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    Hope Massa ploughs into the back of Alonso at the start.
  • MMMarmite 18 Nov 2012 18:09:08 616 posts
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    @FWB tbh I hope he gets stuck in anti-stall on the line, that way at least Massa gets a chance to race ;)
  • superdelphinus 18 Nov 2012 18:14:39 6,177 posts
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    I don't know why but I'm really excited about this race! Maybe it's the slightly weird start time or the new track or something. Can't wait
  • thelzdking 18 Nov 2012 18:17:59 3,391 posts
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    This 'Tooned' thing is an embarrassing pile of shit.
  • superdelphinus 18 Nov 2012 18:20:44 6,177 posts
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    Yeah I didn't really get the point of that one, even compared to usual. "Engineering is fun"?
  • Nth 18 Nov 2012 18:23:27 3,027 posts
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    It's a loophole that will no doubt be changed for next year. I hope they also ban being able to change the car in pit lane like RB did in last race.
  • superdelphinus 18 Nov 2012 18:24:01 6,177 posts
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    Alonso still being snidey about vettel, heh
  • FWB 18 Nov 2012 18:25:28 39,099 posts
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    Red Bull's Mark Webber on Twitter: "At a VIP dinner last night an American woman asked me 'where are you from?' I said Australia, she said 'wow your English is amazing'."

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