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  • Mekanik 21 Oct 2012 11:35:29 3,734 posts
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    New Jersey postponed until 2014.

    Interseting. Yet again Bernie puts his mouth in first. Hopefully this will still happen. Be good to see a couple of races in the US.
  • shamblemonkee 21 Oct 2012 14:19:24 14,652 posts
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    excellent formula Renault racing at brands earlier, wheel to wheel in those conditions O_O
  • thelzdking 21 Oct 2012 14:31:57 4,413 posts
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    I hope the New Jersey race doesn't happen; I fucking hate street circuits.
  • Kostabi 21 Oct 2012 14:39:07 5,086 posts
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    Americans do street circuits well though. I do think Bernie has missed a trick not moving the race to a nearby roval just for a year but I suppose that would require waiving the sanction fee.

    Miami roval or even Charlotte/Daytona with an extra chicane on their backstretch would suffice for a temp race.
  • Saucy 21 Oct 2012 14:58:05 2,614 posts
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    thelzdking wrote:
    I agree: compared to F1 the profile of rally, sports cars touring cars etc is minimal whereas years ago they would've had much more kudos, although still not quite to the extent of F1. I remember reading somewhere that the rule changes to the World Sportscar Championships instigated in the 1980s and 1990s that made it so expensive for manufacturers to enter that they may as well go for F1 were pushed by Bernie.
    I think the ban on tobacco sponsorship has a negative effect on a lot race series, nearly all of them suffered. Wondering round Goodwood earlier this year, all the older cars were plastered with tobacco logo's. It's a lot harder to find the money these days.
  • Kostabi 21 Oct 2012 15:12:35 5,086 posts
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    mal wrote:
    Seems to be the problem with the FIA feeder series is that they're a little too successful, combined with the factor that F1 drivers are too full of themselves to retire when they get old and crap or die in a terrible fireball like they used to. There simply aren't enough spaces for the people that have already raced F1 that deserve to have another go, or deserve to be in a bigger team as is - the feeder series can't feed with that as the status quo.
    I've been thinking on this for a little while and I think the real problem is that F1 drivers have no desire to prove themselves outside of F1 any more. 'Back in the day' Schumi would have called time on his grand prix driving and gone on to try and win Le Mans or Indy but nowadays because the marketing machine has been wound up so much everyone sees any other form of motorsport as a ladder for the way up to F1 rather than a lateral move away from it.

    Kimi and Kubica are the only real exceptions at the moment and relatively recent drivers like McNish, Firman and Montoya who have thrived away from F1 are only really doing so because they were successful before they made the jump. Although a side note to Fishichella and Salo who have landed in GTs thanks to Ferrari goodwill.

    Not sure what the real solution is, aside from more factory money in LMP1 (and possibly DTM/Super GT) to entice drivers on the cusp of retirement to have a go at some legacy longevity but that doesn't seem massively likely sadly.
  • Psychotext 27 Oct 2012 00:25:55 55,030 posts
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    'murica, fuck yeah.

  • Nth 27 Oct 2012 09:22:06 3,125 posts
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    Please don't tell me that's a real picture :(
  • Saucy 27 Oct 2012 10:16:34 2,614 posts
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    So (up to the end of q2) this session has been ace. Margins so tight, cars really pushing and leaving the track all the time.
  • superdelphinus 27 Oct 2012 10:39:21 8,125 posts
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    closer than I thought it'd be, but I don't think vettel really hooked a proper one up in q3
  • Saucy 27 Oct 2012 10:43:36 2,614 posts
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    Thi k both RBR drivers cocked that up a bit, could have been quicker.
  • FWB 27 Oct 2012 11:06:46 45,571 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    'murica, fuck yeah.

    It'd be quite cool, if it wasn't so bloody jingoistic.
  • DanB24 27 Oct 2012 19:24:11 2,368 posts
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    After an awesome unpredictable start it feels to me like the season's coming to a bit of a dismal conclusion.
    I do hope I'm wrong though.
  • urban 28 Oct 2012 01:32:05 11,066 posts
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    @Mekanik well I didn't see that coming

    (message above laden with sarcasm)
  • mal 28 Oct 2012 02:35:06 22,826 posts
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    Just caught up with the TV highlights of the qualy which I caught on the radio earlier. Main observation - what's happened to Humphrey's hair? Has he gone ginga on us?

    Cubby didn't know how to turn off sigs!

  • Deleted user 28 October 2012 06:37:25
    DanB24 wrote:
    After an awesome unpredictable start it feels to me like the season's coming to a bit of a dismal conclusion.
    I do hope I'm wrong though.
    Yeah agree with that. but hopefully today will throw a few surprises. please.
  • PatrickEwing 28 Oct 2012 07:05:52 2,150 posts
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    Me to, it's all gone a bit meh. Unless I'm missing one, Valencia was the last race that I really enjoyed (I know)
  • Psychotext 28 Oct 2012 08:25:53 55,030 posts
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    FWB wrote:
    It'd be quite cool, if it wasn't so bloody jingoistic.
    Looks shit either way. Would have probably been acceptable without the stars... but meh.
  • StarchildHypocrethes 28 Oct 2012 08:37:25 26,579 posts
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    I kinda like it.
  • Psychotext 28 Oct 2012 08:43:31 55,030 posts
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    This isn't F Zero.
  • Nth 28 Oct 2012 09:55:20 3,125 posts
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    Great start and then zzzzzzzzzzzzz
  • StarchildHypocrethes 28 Oct 2012 10:38:37 26,579 posts
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    Look at all those grandstands coloured like the Indian flag. Don't they realize this isn't F-Zero?
  • Nth 28 Oct 2012 10:40:20 3,125 posts
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    This race is just horrible. Sad seeing the season end like this and with few rule changes next year it will be another Seb procession. Ugh.
  • Kostabi 28 Oct 2012 10:45:37 5,086 posts
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    I quite like the COTA runoffs too. If they're going to force acres of tarmac on us at least they're trying to make it visually interesting.
  • superdelphinus 28 Oct 2012 11:06:30 8,125 posts
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    Can we just move on to next season now? 2012 was good while it lasted!
  • Kostabi 28 Oct 2012 11:17:01 5,086 posts
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    Aye, that was worse than being forced to watch Valencia and Hungary GPs back to back.
  • Saucy 28 Oct 2012 11:18:44 2,614 posts
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    The gap is only 13 points, still plenty of scope for this to be tight. Ferrari are getting closer.

    McLaren have royally stuffed this season up, some incredible pace at the end.
  • NotSoSlim 28 Oct 2012 11:24:57 3,148 posts
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    Scary how dominant Alonso and Vettel could be in tge same care. Designed by Newey of course
  • superdelphinus 28 Oct 2012 11:25:45 8,125 posts
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    Nah, even if vettel DNF'd and alonsol won the next race he will still win it from here. The rbr is far faster, and their whole operation is superb. I think even if Mclaren hadn't ballsed up hamilton's season, the pace the red bull has now they still would have won it overall

    Edited by superdelphinus at 11:26:01 28-10-2012
  • Mekanik 28 Oct 2012 11:28:38 3,734 posts
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    Found my interest in the F1 has completely vanished the last few races. After all the unpredictability of the start its settled far too much.

    I mean, i predicted the top 4 and pole correct. First time this season!!!

    Edit: Ahh bollocks. Got webber and alonso the wrong way round. Serves me right for doing it last thing at night after beers.....

    Edited by Mekanik at 11:29:15 28-10-2012
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