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  • FWB 26 Mar 2009 14:42:33 41,909 posts
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    Shisutemu is English. Take away the vowels. :)
  • ProfessorLesser 26 Mar 2009 14:43:51 19,349 posts
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    Shisutemu isn't 'Japanese', exactly. The 'u' is silent. It's just a Japanese pronunciation of the English word 'system', so it is in katakana.
  • JinTypeNoir 26 Mar 2009 14:44:31 4,365 posts
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    Shi = sy su = s te = te and mu = m, therefore, it is not a Japanese word in origin, shisustemu = system. The Japanese word for system -- well depends on the meaning but hontai, seido, soshiki and so on are the non-foreign-outside-of-China-and-Korea-derived words.
  • Pirotic Moderator 26 Mar 2009 14:49:30 20,646 posts
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    glol, so despite being a foreign word, they still write it how they pronounce it rather than how we would pronounce it? :D that's ace, I'll learn some engrish for free along the way then!
  • ProfessorLesser 26 Mar 2009 14:50:20 19,349 posts
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    Well, they can't (immediately) pronounce it how we pronounce it, as they don't have sounds for some of our syllables!
  • Telepathic.Geometry 26 Mar 2009 14:50:52 11,114 posts
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    Pirotic, if you like system shisutemu, you'll love citibank shitty bank. ^_^

    As for reading katakana English words, you'll get used to it. The odd time it'll dawn on you really slowly, and you'll feel like you solved a puzzle in a Zelda game or something.

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  • FWB 26 Mar 2009 14:51:52 41,909 posts
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    Yes and no. Sometimes vowels are silent and sometimes they just don't have the sound in their language so they go for what is closest. Sometimes they hit it, sometimes (actually more often than not) they don't.
  • Pirotic Moderator 26 Mar 2009 14:52:26 20,646 posts
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    Yup, I'm really really enjoying this tbh. At school I was forced to learn German (despite already knowing Russian and English) and just couldn't pick it up, but for some reason my brain seems to be really good at remembering Japanese, I've learnt most of the katakana symbols in a few hours and got pretty far into my little game last night and still remembered it this morning.

    /slowly makes his way thru more menus

    :D

    Shame we can't post japanese characters on here eh? /hint hint craigy
  • Telepathic.Geometry 26 Mar 2009 14:57:16 11,114 posts
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    Nice. That's two hints now craigy.

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  • Pirotic Moderator 26 Mar 2009 14:57:41 20,646 posts
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    I'll ask if he can allow a tag [ ] to change the font to something which supports multi-byte characters etc.
  • Telepathic.Geometry 26 Mar 2009 14:59:04 11,114 posts
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    \o/

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  • Pirotic Moderator 26 Mar 2009 15:15:57 20,646 posts
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    システム

    :D
  • Telepathic.Geometry 26 Mar 2009 15:20:38 11,114 posts
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    Does this work? 俺はアイルランド人だよ。

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  • Telepathic.Geometry 26 Mar 2009 15:21:21 11,114 posts
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    :D やった!

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  • FWB 26 Mar 2009 15:23:53 41,909 posts
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    すごい
  • ProfessorLesser 26 Mar 2009 15:27:45 19,349 posts
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    Just to check I haven't forgotten everything:

    Piro: Shisutemu.

    TG: Don't know, then 'yatta'.

    FWB: (t)sugoi.

    What was your first post TG?
  • FWB 26 Mar 2009 15:30:30 41,909 posts
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    Something about being Irish (Irish person). No idea the first kanji.
  • Telepathic.Geometry 26 Mar 2009 15:30:54 11,114 posts
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    Right, now I can show Pirotic that many of the characters in hiragana and katakana are similar:

    か カ
    へ ヘ
    こ コ

    Also: in my sentence above, we had
    俺(kanji) I;
    は(hiragana) subject marker;
    アイルランド(katakana) Ireland;
    人(kanji) person;
    だよ(hiragana) am!

    So, as you can see, it's pretty common to have all three character sets in a sentence at the same time. :)

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  • Pirotic Moderator 26 Mar 2009 15:32:24 20,646 posts
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    Telepathic.Geometry wrote:
    :D やった!

    Right, so thats 'You Did' (I cheated to find that out)

    Now I recognize some of it as Hiragana..

    Yuu Tsu.. but then you have た, what on earth is that? didn't see that one when memorizing my hiragana's
  • ProfessorLesser 26 Mar 2009 15:33:06 19,349 posts
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    dayo = am?
  • Telepathic.Geometry 26 Mar 2009 15:33:12 11,114 posts
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    "Ore ha airurando-jin dayo". Note that the 'ha' at the start is written 'ha' but actually pronounced 'wa'.

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  • Lutz 26 Mar 2009 15:33:53 48,854 posts
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    All I can see is lots of little squares. :(
  • Telepathic.Geometry 26 Mar 2009 15:34:41 11,114 posts
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    やった = yatta, which means "yay" pretty much, although did or done works too.

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  • ProfessorLesser 26 Mar 2009 15:34:56 19,349 posts
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    Little tsu indicates a double consonant following, which means a pause before pronouncing it.

    "Ya-tta".
  • Telepathic.Geometry 26 Mar 2009 15:35:17 11,114 posts
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    ProfessorLesser wrote: dayo = am?
    Correct. Move to the top of the class. :)

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  • ProfessorLesser 26 Mar 2009 15:35:37 19,349 posts
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    Telepathic.Geometry wrote:
    "Ore ha airurando-jin dayo". Note that the 'ha' at the start is written 'ha' but actually pronounced 'wa'.
    What is wrong with desu in this context?
  • FWB 26 Mar 2009 15:35:45 41,909 posts
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    は (pronounced "ha" as a character and "wa" as a subject marker). Tho quite often the subject can be omitted since it can be deduced from the context of the sentence.
  • Pirotic Moderator 26 Mar 2009 15:36:25 20,646 posts
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    Telepathic.Geometry wrote:
    やった = yatta, which means "yay" pretty much, although did or done works too.

    Is that using hiragana characters tho? because I don't have them on my learning sheets :(
  • ProfessorLesser 26 Mar 2009 15:37:11 19,349 posts
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    Piro those are ya, tsu and ta hiragana. They should be on your sheets! The tsu is smaller than usual though.
  • FWB 26 Mar 2009 15:37:12 41,909 posts
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    Yep, hiragana. Should be on there.
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