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  • paul_haine 17 Aug 2009 22:22:12 4,205 posts
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    Ace Grace wrote:
    Anyone know if the recent Lost Tales are any good?
    Worth watching for fans, but only really for the sake of completion. Even JMS wasn't happy with how they came out which is why he's ditched the idea of doing others.
  • Ged42 17 Aug 2009 23:01:52 7,428 posts
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    One thing I liked about B5 was the sense there was still elements of our own times still present in 2260. Little things like Garibaldi watching Daffy Duck cartoons and cursing the LA Dodgers.

    Also there's a greater sense of what's happened in mankind's history between now and the 2250/60s. Wars on earth and against aliens, Martian colonization/revolts, the telepaths, etc.
  • M83J01P97 18 Aug 2009 00:35:05 5,811 posts
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    TakeTheVeil wrote:
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    Ergh... I so want to watch B5 properly (only saw an episode here and there when it was on TV) but have just got into the new BSG and after starting to watch all of DS9 from the start earlier this year I kind of think watching B5 now just won't be as good as it could be without all the other great Sci-Fi running through my head...
    Well thats exactly what I did. All DS9, then all BSG in the last few months.. now im watching B5 and thoroughly enjoying it.
    Ah ok, I might give it a go once BSG is out of the way then, as it's not a terribly long series after all.
  • Darren 19 Aug 2009 12:45:10 7,629 posts
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    I thought Babylon 5 was great although I haven't really seen it since its original broadcast apart from perhaps the odd VHS tape I'd bought. I remember it being quite dark and moody. I don't recall any poor acting, although I felt the actor who played Sinclair in the first seaon was miscast, and the main story arc was very engrossing. I loved the ending too even though it wasn't good news for Sheridan.

    I've often considering buying the full DVD boxset as Amazon have it for £62 (40 discs too!) but I'm not sure I want to risk it at that price. As I've found out with the recent Buck Rogers in the 25th Century DVD boxsets I've bought, not everything you thought was great when you were 13 is still great now (BR is silly and fun but also incredibly shallow, juvenille and cheap). Fortunately, the same wasn't true of Blake's 7 and Sapphire & Steel, both of which seem as good now as they were back then.

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  • JohnnyWashnGo 19 Aug 2009 12:57:01 1,544 posts
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    I wonder if they will ever release it on Blu-Ray?
    Like maybe on 5 discs - one per season?
    Because that would be both wonderful and horrible.

    Wonderful because I love the show and haven't really watched it proeprly since first airing.
    Horrible because those 'special' effects will look pretty rough in hi def.
  • thegamesthething 19 Aug 2009 13:05:14 1,079 posts
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    oldschoolsoviet wrote:
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    I always thought the Vorlons were the best designed TV Sci-Fi alien species ever. In terms of looks at least.
    They could have done without the sparkly magicians capes, but they were probably the best realised 'Alien' aliens, especially their tech.

    Especially, when they were finally juxtaposed against the shadows. Their yin/yang nature was revealed and it was cool to see they both had world destroyers and that kind of thing.
    Ahem. Fixed. Truly, a great series. If only the crap "let's fill an hour with typical sci-fi nonsense" episodes had been replaced with deeper, "background exploration of the arc" episodes. I'm looking at you, "old guy who thinks he's King Arthur" episode. Would've replaced that with a "day in the life of a Narn, under Centauri occupation" episode straightaway.
    I agree more background would have been good, but the King Arthur episode was brilliant - really moving tale of guilt and redemption, which added to the background too. I'm filling up even now.
  • LeoliansBro 19 Aug 2009 13:10:00 35,883 posts
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    To interject with a question about BSG - is there ever any explanation why a bundle of deepsleep copies of the 12 just happen to turn up in positions of power on the only surviving Battlestar (excluding Pegasus), especially Tigh? This can't be a fleetwide infiltration as the copies would be noticed. Amazing that the multiple 6s weren't picked up as well.

    To add a flavour on topic - I liked that throwaway Starfury pilot in the second series, they really showed they weren't afraid to fuck with recurring characters. Ditto Londo's ultracorrupt Centauri mate Lord Rifa.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • thegamesthething 19 Aug 2009 13:17:00 1,079 posts
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    Leolian'sBro wrote:
    To add a flavour on topic - I liked that throwaway Starfury pilot in the second series, they really showed they weren't afraid to fuck with recurring characters. Ditto Londo's ultracorrupt Centauri mate Lord Rifa.
    Yup, one of B5s really strong points, just one of the things that made it stand out. Made it feel like the story was far more important than the characters (as oppose to STNG, with the same half dozen dudes forever. More or less).
  • LeoliansBro 19 Aug 2009 13:20:40 35,883 posts
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    I loved Rifa as well, the only Centauri apart from Mollari who really nailed the accent.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • PearOfAnguish 19 Aug 2009 13:21:03 6,607 posts
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    It doesn't take much to outdo Star Trek on story, though, they only have a few plot lines: weird space thing, seemingly peaceful but actually hostile/troublesome aliens, it's all a dream and oh no the holodeck is broken again.
  • thegamesthething 19 Aug 2009 13:22:15 1,079 posts
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    It was fantastic when Rifa got it though - a fitting end.

    Sinclairs gf in the first series too - "I'll be fine, you worry too much" as she blithely warped off to find her fortune. Ha.
  • Lutz Moderator 19 Aug 2009 13:25:13 48,854 posts
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    The 2 things that really stood out about Babylon 5 for me were:

    1) It wasn't a utopia. Human suffering, poverty etc were still problems, and caused problems that these situations brred (Terrorism for example)
    2) The aliens were varried, and in most cases very morally grey. No black and white evil/good
  • LeoliansBro 19 Aug 2009 13:27:06 35,883 posts
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    Whoever said JMS wrote arse dialogue in a fantastic universe is absolutely right. I am also saying this even though it's been a few years because that was the primary impression I got when I revisited it about 5 years ago.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • localnotail 19 Aug 2009 13:30:55 21,554 posts
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    I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favours come with too high a price. I would look up at your lifeless eyes and wave like this. Can you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden?

    Playing all the right notes— but not necessarily in the right order.

  • Ginger 19 Aug 2009 13:49:27 6,749 posts
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    localnotail wrote:
    I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favours come with too high a price. I would look up at your lifeless eyes and wave like this. Can you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden"
    I love this series. I think I may have to get a copy and watch it all again - the wife'll love that :)

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  • Lutz Moderator 19 Aug 2009 13:53:49 48,854 posts
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    /has all 5 seasons on DVD.
  • thegamesthething 19 Aug 2009 14:28:08 1,079 posts
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    Lutz wrote:
    /has all 5 seasons on DVD.
    And In The Beginning, The Gathering, Third Space, A River of Souls, A Call to Arms, The Legend of the Rangers, The Lost Tales, and Crusade: The Pants.

    /might have missed something
  • FairgroundTown 19 Aug 2009 14:53:50 2,522 posts
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    Leolian'sBro wrote:
    To interject with a question about BSG - is there ever any explanation why a bundle of deepsleep copies of the 12 just happen to turn up in positions of power on the only surviving Battlestar (excluding Pegasus), especially Tigh? This can't be a fleetwide infiltration as the copies would be noticed. Amazing that the multiple 6s weren't picked up as well.

    To add a flavour on topic - I liked that throwaway Starfury pilot in the second series, they really showed they weren't afraid to fuck with recurring characters. Ditto Londo's ultracorrupt Centauri mate Lord Rifa.
    Re. the bit in the spoiler tags.


    The whole thing was orchestrated by Cavil (Dean Stockwell) who placed them there as a punishment for not giving him 'nuff respect.

    (But yer - the plot is full of holes - mostly because they made it up as they went along - as the producers freely admit, they didn't know the ending when they wrote the beginning.)
  • Ged42 19 Aug 2009 17:29:40 7,428 posts
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    localnotail wrote:
    I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favours come with too high a price. I would look up at your lifeless eyes and wave like this. Can you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden?
    I love that bit and even better, Vir actually does. :D
  • paul_haine 19 Aug 2009 23:17:49 4,205 posts
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    Ged42 wrote:
    localnotail wrote:
    I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favours come with too high a price. I would look up at your lifeless eyes and wave like this. Can you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden?
    I love that bit and even better, Vir actually does. :D
    Vir was surprisingly good, I thought. He seemed like he was just a fat joke, always there for laughs, but then he gets scenes like the one above, and of course this one.

    G'Kar was the best-acted alien ever. In any show.
  • TakeTheVeil 25 Aug 2009 17:48:07 5,058 posts
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    Ivanovic and Winters go it on? Awesome... shouldve gone deeper into that i'm thinking.
  • Darren 27 Aug 2009 16:59:21 7,629 posts
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    I ordered the first three season DVD boxsets from Amazon this morning for £10 each then found out that season 1 does NOT include the pilot "The Gathering" so I had to order that DVD too. I understand the DVD season boxsets are widescreen but the pilot is 4:3 only which is disappointing. :(

    Are the DVD boxsets individual slimline cases inside a cardboard sleeve like the Lost and Heroes ones or are they solid plastic cases like the X-Files DVD reissues?

    Anyway once I've watched the first three seasons I'll then order the remaining two. I'm looking forward to rewatching it as I haven't seen it in years.

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  • TakeTheVeil 27 Aug 2009 17:05:01 5,058 posts
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    Im nearing the end of Season 3 and its fantastic. A lot of stuff is coming together now.. some great story writing

    Also G'Kar is great
  • Scimarad 27 Aug 2009 17:48:22 8,293 posts
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    Me to! I was a bit worried it would seem shit now but it's still great. The episode where (spoilerlol) B5 breaks away from Earth is fucking AWESOME:)
  • Darren 30 Aug 2009 02:08:09 7,629 posts
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    I got the first three season boxsets plus The Gathering pilot and The Beginning DVDs in this morning's post. The slimline season boxsets rock, I can't believe there's 22 episodes of a TV series on six DVDs packed away into a solid plastic case that is just a little fatter than a standard case. Neeeeeeat. :)

    I watched the pilot first - which wasn't as good as I remembered, had terrible music and special effects plus some very dodgy acting - and then the first seven episodes of season 1, which were never the strongest ones anyway. It's slowly getting better though and I can't wait to see Babylon Squared again because I seem to remember that's the point where series really took off.

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  • M83J01P97 30 Aug 2009 18:36:56 5,811 posts
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    Does this feature everything that is Babylon 5?
    Or is there things missing from the box set that you have to buy seperatly?

  • paul_haine 30 Aug 2009 18:39:13 4,205 posts
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    M83J01P97 wrote:
    Does this feature everything that is Babylon 5?
    Or is there things missing from the box set that you have to buy seperatly?
    Looks complete to me but this one from Amazon is equally complete plus is cheaper and comes in a smaller box.
  • M83J01P97 30 Aug 2009 18:46:49 5,811 posts
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    Ordered that on Thursday and got an email from them on Saturday telling me that are unable to offer the product anymore...
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    What a difference a day makes eh?
  • Scimarad 30 Aug 2009 22:50:48 8,293 posts
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    I'll say this for the 'lost tales' thing, it was pretty cool seeing the station and the ships done with updated CGI, especially that Starfury. Shame he didn't get to do a 'proper' episode...
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