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  • Deleted user 28 April 2008 14:49:12
    Ok, quick question, part philosophical - part pure opinion: What makes someone intelligent? Is it:

    The ability to gather and retain vast quantities of knowledge and memorise facts.

    Or is it the ability to understand people and act and adapt to situations. To adopt skills when required etc.

    Because I have had conversations with many an academic doctor, and even a professor or two. And when not speaking about their specialist subject (or even they are) they are completely void of what one might call 'common sense'. And completely inept in respect to 'social grace' and being able to understand people. They may be able to help you with the Russian Revolution, but will be completely lost if you attempt sarcasm or irony on them. This of course is purely my opinion from a few of said 'academics'!
  • kalel 28 Apr 2008 14:52:24 86,325 posts
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    There are lots of different types of intelligence, although starting internet discussions based on semantics is a good indication of a lack of all of them ;-)
  • Stickman 28 Apr 2008 14:53:17 29,657 posts
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    Can't it be both rather than an either/or situation?

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  • Deleted user 28 April 2008 14:53:37
    :(

    Please now delete the thread while I go sulk in the corner.
  • Amajiro 28 Apr 2008 14:54:01 2,214 posts
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    Intelligence is lots of things, but one thing it specifically is different to is knowledge.
  • LeoliansBro 28 Apr 2008 14:54:12 43,227 posts
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    Oooh, check kalel, this kitten has claws ;)

    Intelligence is the ability to assess something based on experience and understanding. As opposed to Wisdom, which is the ability to correctly formulate a response to this situation.

    This is of course based on the DM rulebook from mid-80s Dungeons and Dragons.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • kalel 28 Apr 2008 14:55:59 86,325 posts
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    mowgli wrote:
    :(

    Please now delete the thread while I go sulk in the corner.

    :p

    Seriously. There are all kinds of intelligence - "emotional intelligence" is a real buzz phrase among psychologists, and relates to what you were saying in your OP about "social grace".

    Often one type can mean a lack of the other. Most of the more academically intelligent people I know are less emotionally intelligent.
  • Deleted user 28 April 2008 14:56:00
    Charm wrote:
    They sound like retards (more specifically, York).
  • Metalfish 28 Apr 2008 14:56:07 8,786 posts
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    Charm wrote:
    mowgli wrote:
    they are completely void of what one might call 'common sense'. And completely inept in respect to 'social grace' and being able to understand people. They may be able to help you with the Russian Revolution, but will be completely lost if you attempt sarcasm or irony on them.
    They sound like retards (more specifically, autistics).
    It's a Eurogamer trap!
  • jellyhead 28 Apr 2008 14:56:20 24,350 posts
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    KaBOOM! You've hit one of the big Psychology landmines! KaBOOM!

    :)

    Defining Intelligence itself is being a total pain and there's several competing theories all valid in different ways. There's also arguments for different types of intelligence as you pointed out. There's remembering information and then there's being able to use it.

    A quote from my degree to put this in perspective:
    Intelligence tests measure what intelligence tests measure.

    Essentially pick a test that seems to measure what you're looking for.

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  • Deleted user 28 April 2008 14:56:58
    Yeah I thought that when I typed it but you can't be so general. That's like saying all athletes have ADD.
  • Deleted user 28 April 2008 14:59:16
    "emotional intelligence" is good, it certainly makes more sense. I have never heard that phrase before so I just said "social grace".
  • Carlo 28 Apr 2008 15:01:08 17,948 posts
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    mowgli wrote:
    Ok, quick question, part philosophical - part pure opinion: What makes someone intelligent? Is it:

    The ability to gather and retain vast quantities of knowledge and memorise facts.

    Or is it the ability to understand people and act and adapt to situations. To adopt skills when required etc.

    Gather and retain vast... = Knowledge

    Understand people, act and adapt... = Charisma

    Intelligence is deriving new knowledge from existing knowledge.

    PSN ID: Djini

  • kalel 28 Apr 2008 15:02:53 86,325 posts
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    Carlo wrote:
    mowgli wrote:
    Ok, quick question, part philosophical - part pure opinion: What makes someone intelligent? Is it:

    The ability to gather and retain vast quantities of knowledge and memorise facts.

    Or is it the ability to understand people and act and adapt to situations. To adopt skills when required etc.

    Gather and retain vast... = Knowledge

    Understand people, act and adapt... = Charisma

    Intelligence is deriving new knowledge from existing knowledge.

    Utter rubbish :D
  • Deleted user 28 April 2008 15:05:37
    "Emotional intelligence" is perhaps the most awefulist phrase ever concieved by man.
  • unsung_hero 28 Apr 2008 15:07:14 939 posts
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    Human beings are the most complex entities we will ever interact with, so understanding what makes a person laugh, or cry, and being able to induce such emotions is a true indication of intelligence, where academic achievement is near to useless.
  • Carlo 28 Apr 2008 15:07:41 17,948 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    Carlo wrote:
    mowgli wrote:
    Ok, quick question, part philosophical - part pure opinion: What makes someone intelligent? Is it:

    The ability to gather and retain vast quantities of knowledge and memorise facts.

    Or is it the ability to understand people and act and adapt to situations. To adopt skills when required etc.

    Gather and retain vast... = Knowledge

    Understand people, act and adapt... = Charisma

    Intelligence is deriving new knowledge from existing knowledge.

    Utter rubbish :D
    /screws up face

    PSN ID: Djini

  • LeoliansBro 28 Apr 2008 15:09:58 43,227 posts
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    unsung_hero wrote:
    Human beings are the most complex entities we will ever interact with, so understanding what makes a person laugh, or cry, and being able to induce such emotions is a true indication of intelligence, where academic achievement is near to useless.

    Dunno, my salary doubled after I got chartered with my ACA...

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • Deleted user 28 April 2008 15:10:18
    Charm wrote:
    unsung_hero wrote:
    Human beings are the most complex entities we will ever interact with, so understanding what makes a person laugh, or cry, and being able to induce such emotions is a true indication of intelligence, where academic achievement is near to useless.
    Yeah, groovey's a dumbass.
    Just covered my work in coffee York, THANK YOU! lol.
  • kalel 28 Apr 2008 15:12:35 86,325 posts
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    unsung_hero wrote:
    Human beings are the most complex entities we will ever interact with, so understanding what makes a person laugh, or cry, and being able to induce such emotions is a true indication of intelligence, where academic achievement is near to useless.

    Nice sound bite, but I'm not convinced. A think ideally you'd have some combination of the two to get on in life.
  • Deleted user 28 April 2008 15:13:21
    I guess the main point of this thread is that (IMO!) knowledge is a sign of an excellent memory, which can be achieved through training, or can be natural, or through various tricks of course. But "emotional intelligence" (starting to dislike it already) cannot be taught...Yet it is the people who have the excellent memories we -historically- as a society consider intelligent.
  • Euronymous 28 Apr 2008 15:13:31 95 posts
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    Carlo wrote:
    Knowledge
    Charisma
    THE SIMS!

    /hides
  • unsung_hero 28 Apr 2008 15:15:45 939 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    unsung_hero wrote:
    Human beings are the most complex entities we will ever interact with, so understanding what makes a person laugh, or cry, and being able to induce such emotions is a true indication of intelligence, where academic achievement is near to useless.

    Nice sound bite, but I'm not convinced. A think ideally you'd have some combination of the two to get on in life.

    Sure, I'm just saying which one I value more.
  • Metalfish 28 Apr 2008 15:17:32 8,786 posts
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    Being able to count/read/speak are largely academic achievements. Useless.
  • kalel 28 Apr 2008 15:17:44 86,325 posts
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    mowgli wrote:
    I guess the main point of this thread is that (IMO!) knowledge is a sign of an excellent memory, which can be achieved through training, or can be natural, or through various tricks of course. But "emotional intelligence" (starting to dislike it already) cannot be taught...Yet it is the people who have the excellent memories we -historically- as a society consider intelligent.

    Memory? What on earth?

    Sorry, I don't mean to pick on you, but seriously, do you really thin that's all that knowledgeable people have? A good memory?

    The ability to understand complicated things has absolutely nothing to do with memory. Of course, the ability to retain those things you understand does, so a good memory helps, but wow are you underselling academically intelligent people there…
  • X201 28 Apr 2008 15:19:48 15,126 posts
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    Can't remember who said it but...

    "Intelligence isn't knowing all the answers, it's knowing how to find the answers"
  • Deleted user 28 April 2008 15:23:56
    kalel wrote:
    mowgli wrote:
    I guess the main point of this thread is that (IMO!) knowledge is a sign of an excellent memory, which can be achieved through training, or can be natural, or through various tricks of course. But "emotional intelligence" (starting to dislike it already) cannot be taught...Yet it is the people who have the excellent memories we -historically- as a society consider intelligent.

    Memory? What on earth?

    Sorry, I don't mean to pick on you, but seriously, do you really thin that's all that knowledgeable people have? A good memory?

    The ability to understand complicated things has absolutely nothing to do with memory. Of course, the ability to retain those things you understand does, so a good memory helps, but wow are you underselling academically intelligent people there…
    Christ no. My point is buried in there. These people (lets just stick with academics) are of course able to grasp and understand concepts and ideas that myself or you never will. But what is that? Is this ability just 'natural intelligence' or what? My point was that as a society we (in general) measure intelligence on ones ability to memorise facts and spout them out in the required order. But this is just a trick (which for some reason schools don't bloody teach!).
  • kalel 28 Apr 2008 15:28:53 86,325 posts
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    Umm ok, I think I see your point, and I do agree that the ways schools - and particularly exams - work is just flat out wrong.

    That said I think it's probably not true that they are all about recall. My recall and memory is pretty good long term, and it got me through certain language subjects and geography and history, but when it came to the sciences which required a bit of understanding as well I came badly unstuck.

    As for A-Levels, they were mostly coursework based for me so the memory thing goes out the window, and I didn't do a single exam for my degree so a good memory would have been no help at all.
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