CERN's LHC "The most complicated thing that humans have ever built" Page 65

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  • Lexx87 6 Jul 2012 08:07:47 20,869 posts
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    If i had half a brain i'd love all that too :(

    But i dont. So can I make you coffee?

    Speak the truth hussy!

  • Lexx87 6 Jul 2012 08:08:41 20,869 posts
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    So spin how long before you guys realise you need a bigger one.

    Speak the truth hussy!

  • spindizzy 6 Jul 2012 08:53:58 6,400 posts
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    Lexx87 wrote:
    So spin how long before you guys realise you need a bigger one.
    These things take 20-30 years to build, so there have been plans for replacements going on for 10 years at least... ;-)

    Nothing has been approved yet (AFAIK), mainly because of the money involved. There will definitely be LHC and detector upgrades at the end of this year (when we shut for 2 years) and then a few years after that, there will be phase 2 of the upgrades. But for a real replacement to the LHC? I dunno. I'm not sure when or even if it will happen.
  • Fake_Blood 6 Jul 2012 08:59:49 3,834 posts
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    When are you guys going to turn it up to 14TeV?
    I want at least one extra dimension.
  • Ginger 6 Jul 2012 09:04:33 6,808 posts
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    Is that to hit the 14TeV limit?

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  • spindizzy 6 Jul 2012 11:19:06 6,400 posts
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    14 TeV should be achieved (or close to that) once we shut down for 2 years after the current run. Probably early next year now, since it seems like we might try to collect a bit more data before stopping.
  • hiddenranbir 6 Jul 2012 21:51:09 5,744 posts
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    Okay, got it. We can create tools powerful enough to let us see things! \o/


    (genuinely impressed though)
  • SirScratchalot 6 Jul 2012 21:56:17 7,872 posts
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    /looks at benchtop centrifuge and wimpy PCR machine...
    I CLEARLY went for the wrong field of science.
  • Lukus 6 Jul 2012 22:05:55 18,955 posts
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    So, when are going to get teleportation pods? I'm sick of the bus.

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  • Metalfish 6 Jul 2012 23:33:26 8,690 posts
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    Lukus wrote:
    So, when are going to get teleportation pods? I'm sick of the bus.
    I asked my mate Werner. He was't certain.
  • RabidChild 7 Jul 2012 06:51:07 2,283 posts
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    SirScratchalot wrote:
    /looks at benchtop centrifuge and wimpy PCR machine...
    I CLEARLY went for the wrong field of science.
    High five!
  • itamae 7 Jul 2012 10:30:15 9,830 posts
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    RabidChild wrote:
    SirScratchalot wrote:
    /looks at benchtop centrifuge and wimpy PCR machine...
    I CLEARLY went for the wrong field of science.
    High five!
    I don't know... repeating the same experiment a thousand times, crunching numbers for months to find out if you got anything good, then ending up with results you can't even see, and having to share authorship with 200 other dudes doesn't sound very appealing to me. I mean it's obviously an exciting time to be a physicist, but I think I'll stick with my microscopes for now.

    /may be an idiot savant
  • spindizzy 7 Jul 2012 17:39:28 6,400 posts
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    200 authors? Try 3000! ;-) We had a trillion or so collisions this year I think too. But you obviously don't look at them individually.
  • Lukus 7 Jul 2012 18:14:33 18,955 posts
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    Massive underground sci-fi looking tubey thing > microscope in a lab.

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  • mattigan 8 Jul 2012 11:45:39 1,429 posts
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    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    So when do we learn to manipulate these higgs fields and create anti grav cars?
    We have to discover element zero first, then it's only a matter of time before we find the first relay...
  • Salaman 10 Jul 2012 12:45:44 18,244 posts
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    jonsaan wrote:
    Once I discover the secret of higgs will I finally be able to stick it up the other halves poopensheiser?

    If not. meh.
    lol, was it you that mentioned your kid wanted to get an EG account a while back?
    Must've spiced up the dinner table conversation some. :-0
  • Fake_Blood 10 Jul 2012 13:26:13 3,834 posts
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    Sticking it up his other halves sauerkraut is what got him in that mess.
  • FogHeart 12 Nov 2012 17:32:04 910 posts
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    Ah, bugger.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20300100

    Two steps forwards, one step back. We have a Higg's Boson - probably - albeit one that won't open the door to the rest of the particle menagerie so we can see what they're like. Now a swathe of versions of what that menagerie consists of may be crossed out. There are apperently many version of SUSY (supersymmetry, which fills in the gaps in our knowledge of particle physics) and we're either narrowing it down to the right one - or the theory isn't representative of reality.

    So what alternatives are there to SUSY? And just how many careers have been built upon it that may have been wasted :(

    Edited by FogHeart at 17:32:16 12-11-2012
  • Penguinzoot 12 Nov 2012 17:54:00 477 posts
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    FogHeart wrote:
    Ah, bugger.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20300100

    And just how many careers have been built upon it that may have been wasted :(
    'twas ever the case with theoretical physics. The experimental physicists require the theoretical physicists to provide theories they can test .... Then the theorists have to scratch their collective heads and come up with new theories for the experimentalists to test. And so it goes on, and hopefully we get closer (incrementally perhaps) to nailing down the real nature of the beast in the process .... :)

    Edited by Penguinzoot at 17:54:58 12-11-2012
  • Bremenacht 13 Nov 2012 23:32:56 15,756 posts
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    Read in New Scientist today that scientists say the LHC isn't suitable for finding the Higgs Boson anyway, and that what they really need is a super-duper Electron (Lepton?) collider. The fuckers! Why didn't they say that in the first place?

    Maybe someone should invent a Large Scientist Collider (meaning a large collider rather than a collider of large scientists*) and bash scientists together at high speed in order to get them to make their minds up on how best to find whatever it is they think they're looking for.

    My design for the LSC would involve two rubber bands, each the size of switzerland, some Alps on which to hook them and a couple of armies of youths with useless degrees to provide the tractive forces required.


    *Although it could do that too, if the scientists involved happened to be large.

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  • Bremenacht 17 Dec 2012 16:28:13 15,756 posts
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    Nice things come in pairs.

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  • LeoliansBro 17 Dec 2012 17:08:10 41,865 posts
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    So what does that mean?

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • Bremenacht 17 Dec 2012 23:44:33 15,756 posts
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    What does more than one Higgs mean? It could mean a supersymmetry theory is correct, which could mean a whole load of other particles are waiting to be found -perhaps at higher energies or perhaps using a new super-duper electron collider- which could lead to the discovery of dark matter. It could mean they've discovered the particle interacting in other dimensions. Or -as the guy quoted said- it could be a blip.

    Anything other than a blip means more fun and games for the boffins, and yet more mind-blowing for anyone amazed by this stuff.

    Thing is, every time they go down the rabbit-hole and find out what's down there, it usually turns out to be another rabbit hole. The governments and organisations who fund all this must have their heads in their hands :D

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  • Bremenacht 17 Dec 2012 23:53:08 15,756 posts
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    For me, from what I read of the big discovery and the discussions that followed it, the Higgs they found didn't quite hit the bullseye. It was pretty much centre of the board, but more 25 than 50. Perhaps that's just down to expectations - I expected an answer, not answers with hints of other possible answers.

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  • ibenam 17 Dec 2012 23:57:08 1,277 posts
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    So what is it?
  • Bremenacht 18 Dec 2012 00:02:02 15,756 posts
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    It's... God. The God of Small Things.

    Unless you're serious in which case it's another breadcrumb on the trail to dark matter. Or it isn't.

    Edited by Bremenacht at 00:14:33 18-12-2012

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  • localnotail 18 Dec 2012 00:05:18 23,093 posts
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    Bremenacht wrote:
    - I expected an answer, not answers with hints of other possible answers.
    Are you unfamiliar with scientific progress then, grasshopper?

    A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

  • Bremenacht 18 Dec 2012 00:13:14 15,756 posts
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    I thought it went 'boing!'

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  • localnotail 18 Dec 2012 00:28:21 23,093 posts
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    BOINK!

    A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

  • Bremenacht 18 Dec 2012 00:39:44 15,756 posts
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    :-D

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