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  • El_MUERkO 24 Aug 2012 02:19:15 17,962 posts
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    I find it funny that the media roll their eyes at the idea of a conspiracy to discredit Assange via these rape charges. Eyes roll and 'tinfoil hat' jokes are muttered, "like anything of that nature really occurs outside of movies and TV".

    It appears to me a 'conspiracy' once discovered becomes a 'scandal' and the whole 'conspiracy' aspect of the scandal is forgotten.

    So the CIA conspire with governments around the world to kidnap people and bring them to secret prisons to be tortured. People around the world take note of the disappearances, evidence is found and the the conspiracy to 'rendition' is exposed. It includes the use of UK and Irish airports with the knowledge of both governments. It's shocking... and instantly re-branded a 'scandal', someone stick a 'gate' on the end of a word and the mainstream media goes to town on the story.

    So we get to Assange's character assassination after his website massively embarrasses a government directly responsible for some of the most brazen conspiracies to happen in the last 50 years.

    From the Bay of Pigs to the Venezuela Coup to the Iraq War Dossier the list of crazy, immoral, illegal things governments of the United States has done, often with the support of the UK government, boggles the mind.

    That so many look upon this perfect storm of circumstance and think to themselves 'Yeah, that Assange guy is guilty and just trying to avoid a fair trial in Sweden & anyone who says different is just a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy nut' is a testament to self delusion of a populace unwilling to accept they can be fooled and lied to on a grand scale.

    There are people in this world who are sceptical and like to look at the bigger picture before forming an opinion based on the facts as they know them weighted by history and an understanding of what governments, members of the media and political classes will do to form a narrative that allows them to do as they wish.

    Then there are conspiracy nuts in this world and they will find patterns where there are none. I find it insulting that people sceptical of the motives of the US, UK and Swedish governments are being foisted into the same pile as the people who literally wear tinfoil hats.

    I also find it amusing that the people doing the foisting are the same people who'll rage when conspiracy turns to scandal. I wonder if they rage more because deep down inside they know they were played once again.
  • mal 24 Aug 2012 03:34:16 26,222 posts
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    A consipracy requires people to conspire, in secret, thereby making it debatable for anyone not in the know. Once it gets blown open or shot down it's no longer open to debate, but I don't see how anything else changes. Just the english word used to describe it.

    I dare say the US political machine would like to get its hands on Assange, but that doesn't stop the facts that he's been accused of rape and the Swedish authorities want to charge him. He's been given plenty of opportunity to appeal, but not once has he claimed that he's at any increased risk of being extradited to the US from Sweden than he already is from the UK. In fact, I suspect he's in less danger in Sweden, since I know the UK has signed up a bilateral agreement to allow people to be extradited to the US with little evidence, while I suspect Sweden won't have signed up to such a ridiculous deal.

    Put in short, pretty much everything in this case stinks to high heaven, and I wouldn't trust any of them as far as I could throw them. On the balance of things I trust the Swedes more than any of the rest of them.
  • Deleted user 24 August 2012 16:35:08
    Getting too hung up on the word 'conspiracy'.
  • Deleted user 4 February 2016 07:09:24
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35489859

    About bloody time!!! It's time the guy faced the music, just cos he founded Wikileaks doesn't mean he should avoid justice.

    The woman who claims was sexually assaulted deserves her time in court.
  • Armoured_Bear 4 Feb 2016 07:16:08 17,480 posts
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    LetsGo wrote:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35489859

    About bloody time!!! It's time the guy faced the music, just cos he founded Wikileaks doesn't mean he should avoid justice.

    The woman who claims was sexually assaulted deserves her time in court.
    Are you really that dim?
  • Deleted user 4 February 2016 07:20:31
    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    LetsGo wrote:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35489859

    About bloody time!!! It's time the guy faced the music, just cos he founded Wikileaks doesn't mean he should avoid justice.

    The woman who claims was sexually assaulted deserves her time in court.
    Are you really that dim?
    I do not belive that this is some conspiracy to extradite him to the States, Sweden have already said they won't.

    If it was my daughter with these allegations, I would want them to be fully investigated. No-one should be above sexually assault.
  • Dirtbox Best Forumite, 2015 4 Feb 2016 07:25:46 87,406 posts
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    Wah, my daughter! Brainless DM reading prick.

    Even the british intelligence staff said it's a frame job.
  • Deleted user 4 February 2016 07:34:41
    Dirtbox wrote:
    Wah, my daughter! Brainless DM reading prick.

    Even the british intelligence staff said it's a frame job.
    I don't read the daily mail and can you please link to where British intelligence said this? I am a believer of justice no matter who you are.
  • Ziz0u 4 Feb 2016 07:35:58 10,739 posts
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    He reads The Sun, silly.
  • Dirtbox Best Forumite, 2015 4 Feb 2016 07:38:46 87,406 posts
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    LetsGo wrote:
    Dirtbox wrote:
    Wah, my daughter! Brainless DM reading prick.

    Even the british intelligence staff said it's a frame job.
    I don't read the daily mail and can you please link to where British intelligence said this? I am a believer of justice no matter who you are.
    Just google assange framed http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10070597/GCHQ-staff-scolded-over-emails-claiming-Julian-Assange-was-framed.html
  • PES_Fanboy Funniest Forumite, 2015 4 Feb 2016 07:39:55 38,486 posts
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    LetsTroll
  • Deleted user 4 February 2016 07:43:16
    Dirtbox wrote:
    LetsGo wrote:
    Dirtbox wrote:
    Wah, my daughter! Brainless DM reading prick.

    Even the british intelligence staff said it's a frame job.
    I don't read the daily mail and can you please link to where British intelligence said this? I am a believer of justice no matter who you are.
    Just google assange framed http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10070597/GCHQ-staff-scolded-over-emails-claiming-Julian-Assange-was-framed.html
    LOL, the emails came from Assange, SURPRISE!

    You are seriously suggesting that certain people should be immune from sexual assault allegations.

    In this day and age?!? /facepalm
  • PES_Fanboy Funniest Forumite, 2015 4 Feb 2016 07:44:37 38,486 posts
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    I just think people fleeing from wars should be given asylum and our daughters remain unraped
  • Dirtbox Best Forumite, 2015 4 Feb 2016 07:45:43 87,406 posts
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    @LetsGo

    The emails are from the GCHQ under the freedom of information act. Learn to read.

    People should be immune from being framed.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 07:46:32 04-02-2016
  • Deleted user 4 February 2016 07:47:50
    so yes..... You think that certain people shouldn't be charged with sexual assault.

    *sigh*
  • Dirtbox Best Forumite, 2015 4 Feb 2016 07:49:30 87,406 posts
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    If they had nothing to do with it, or more accurately, it never happened, no.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 07:50:00 04-02-2016
  • Deleted user 4 February 2016 07:52:45
    I would prefer him to be questioned and if it comes to it, the evidence be trailed in court.

    Innocent until proven guilty of course.
  • Deleted user 4 February 2016 07:54:10
    PES_Fanboy wrote:
    I just think people fleeing from wars should be given asylum and our daughters remain unraped
    I appreciate we have different views on asylum seekers and you would prefer not to bring them in to the UK, but let's not bring it up in every thread eh?
  • Dirtbox Best Forumite, 2015 4 Feb 2016 07:58:41 87,406 posts
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    LetsGo wrote:
    I would prefer him to be questioned and if it comes to it, the evidence be trailed in court.

    Innocent until proven guilty of course.
    Well that's the thing, isn't it. He goes to Sweden, does his thing, then comes back to the UK to get extradited directly to the US. That's the gameplan that your gullible little mind can't seem to grasp.
  • Deleted user 4 February 2016 08:03:53
    I think you should give this a read....

    http://www.newstatesman.com/david-allen-green/2012/08/legal-myths-about-assange-extradition
  • Dirtbox Best Forumite, 2015 4 Feb 2016 08:06:40 87,406 posts
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    Not one single one of those points addresses the case I just explained.

    Thick fuck.
  • twelveways 4 Feb 2016 08:13:07 6,482 posts
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    He wouldn't even get to Sweden would he? I thought they were waiting outside to nab him if he ever left the embassy.
  • Dirtbox Best Forumite, 2015 4 Feb 2016 08:15:06 87,406 posts
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    They'd probably let him go to sweden as a courtesy, and they'll hand him straight back to the UK's police waiting patiently in the sidelines. We have an extradition treaty with Sweden.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 08:15:23 04-02-2016
  • Sharz 4 Feb 2016 08:25:12 1,162 posts
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    As I understand it he would be arrested in Britain because of the Swedish issuing an arrest warrant.  They are Europe wide. 

    He doesn't have an issue with Sweden questioning him or any potential arrests,  his concern is the extradition to the US who want to legally hang him. If he cannot be extradited to the US he will comply with Sweden/British governments.  Todays UN ruling is to do with him being forced into asylum but without the rights because of this, potentially stopping him being taken to Sweden and so to the US.

    Atleast that's my taken might of missed something obvious.
  • Dirtbox Best Forumite, 2015 4 Feb 2016 08:29:30 87,406 posts
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    Sweden don't have an extradition treaty with the US iirc, we have treaties with both sweden and the US and we're going to extradite him.
  • Sharz 4 Feb 2016 08:34:22 1,162 posts
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    Ah right gotcha,  ok that makes sense.
  • Armoured_Bear 4 Feb 2016 08:56:34 17,480 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    LetsGo wrote:
    I would prefer him to be questioned and if it comes to it, the evidence be trailed in court.

    Innocent until proven guilty of course.
    Well that's the thing, isn't it. He goes to Sweden, does his thing, then comes back to the UK to get extradited directly to the US. That's the gameplan that your gullible little mind can't seem to grasp.
    This although we should be thinking of the danger posed to LetsGo's daughter by a framed Australian whistleblower.
  • frightlever 4 Feb 2016 09:09:37 1,049 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    If they had nothing to do with it, or more accurately, it never happened, no.
    If only there were some legal way to determine guilt.
  • frightlever 4 Feb 2016 09:10:53 1,049 posts
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    Also, Sweden is closer to Russia, so I'd say he should be jumping at the chance to go to Sweden. Snowden probably needs someone to play Ping Pong with.

    Edited by frightlever at 09:11:57 04-02-2016
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