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  • Lamb 19 Aug 2012 18:55:11 474 posts
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    @mowgli

    It could be a civil case. And if top secret documents are easily accessible by any GIJOE then they are not secret no more.

    How exactly could it be argued that revealing these docs is essential to the defence. And civil case?
    Not the defense but the prosecution. You can't arrest someone for receiving a usb stick and not doing anything with it.

    Edited by Lamb at 19:02:09 19-08-2012
  • Deleted user 19 August 2012 19:15:02
    They have behind doors procedures for this though.
  • Lamb 19 Aug 2012 19:29:42 474 posts
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    @mowgli

    Yes very true. But if the military wanted to try him there would already be a warrant out for his arrest. Also it would not be very transparent if they did do it behind closed doors. They would not have to give up everything just enough showing Mr. Assange, specifically hurting the country.

    In any case the marsupials could still be all over it. :p :D Maybe they should just send him back to Australia to raise kangaroos. And Wikileaks could be about Wallabies.

    Edited by Lamb at 19:31:19 19-08-2012
  • Khanivor 19 Aug 2012 20:23:17 40,860 posts
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    darkmorgado wrote:
    Lamb wrote:
    If a smoking gun was going to be made of the case against Assange the intel will have to be revealed in any civil court.
    Not quite. Military trials in the US are held behind closed doors.
    Aha! That explains why the US has filed so many charges against him. He's an ex-service member of the US military. He will be court martialed! Which are open to the public and press.

    Or are you fantasizing that the US will ship him off to a military tribunal? Inconveniently, they aren't held behind 'closed doors' either.
  • Flightrisker 20 Aug 2012 16:57:00 18,138 posts
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    This is well worth a read for anyone following this case. I keep seeing the legions of idiot fans making these arguments which are all debunked here.

    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/david-allen-green/2012/08/legal-myths-about-assange-extradition

    Also worth following https://twitter.com/DavidAllenGreen for a good sane account of what's going on.
  • angerisagift 21 Aug 2012 02:02:35 1,947 posts
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    Flightrisker wrote:
    This is well worth a read for anyone following this case. I keep seeing the legions of idiot fans making these arguments which are all debunked here.

    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/david-allen-green/2012/08/legal-myths-about-assange-extradition

    Also worth following https://twitter.com/DavidAllenGreen for a good sane account of what's going on.
    Thanks. That first link is the most concise and informative summary I have seen yet. DarkMorgado really ought to have a read, although it probably still wont change his mindset.

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  • Deleted user 21 August 2012 09:16:59
    angerisagift wrote:
    Flightrisker wrote:
    This is well worth a read for anyone following this case. I keep seeing the legions of idiot fans making these arguments which are all debunked here.

    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/david-allen-green/2012/08/legal-myths-about-assange-extradition

    Also worth following https://twitter.com/DavidAllenGreen for a good sane account of what's going on.
    Thanks. That first link is the most concise and informative summary I have seen yet. DarkMorgado really ought to have a read, although it probably still wont change his mindset.
    nothing we haven't been saying for ages but brilliantly concise. I bet dark et al. Completely ignore it
  • X201 21 Aug 2012 09:59:06 15,524 posts
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    Well, hopefully that will mean the end of George Galloway now.

    He's having a bit of trouble getting his head around what is and isn't rape.


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/aug/20/george-galloway-julian-assange-rape?CMP=twt_fd
  • chopsen 21 Aug 2012 10:06:39 16,093 posts
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    Rape is one of those topics you really shouldn't touch with a barge poll as a man in the public eye. Bit like what happened to Ken Clarke. If you express any opinion on it at all, you'll get a pasting for it.

    (though Galloway is a prick and yes suprise sex while asleep is rape)

    Edited by Chopsen at 10:07:24 21-08-2012
  • disusedgenius 21 Aug 2012 10:08:19 5,359 posts
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    ...and after all that Americalol at that senator the other day. Way to play the game Galloway... :(
  • Deleted user 21 August 2012 10:16:21
    Christ I though even he was cleverer than that. Fucking morgado levels of stupid right there :(

    Edited by mowgli at 10:32:03 21-08-2012
  • Deleted user 21 August 2012 10:20:27
    "not everybody needs to be asked prior to each insertion."

    George is correct, he just seems to have forgotten that the person needs to be able to say no, being asleep makes that tricky.
  • disusedgenius 21 Aug 2012 10:21:28 5,359 posts
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    Easter it didn't surprise me that much, tbh.
  • Fab4 21 Aug 2012 10:26:43 6,092 posts
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    Eid be surprised if Galloway didn't come out with crap like this. Odious little fucker.
  • Deleted user 21 August 2012 10:32:25
    disusedgenius wrote:
    Easter it didn't surprise me that much, tbh.
    :D
  • CosmicFuzz 21 Aug 2012 10:32:35 24,584 posts
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    Read that this morning on the bus. Oh dear Galloway.

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  • StarchildHypocrethes 21 Aug 2012 11:09:40 25,942 posts
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    "Prior to each insertion" is the most romantic phrase I've read in ages.

    "He gazed longingly into her eyes prior to each insertion."
  • MrTomFTW Moderator 21 Aug 2012 11:29:07 38,360 posts
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    Galloway always.makes sure to.shout "surprise" first. That way he knows he's legally covered.

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  • LeoliansBro 21 Aug 2012 11:48:54 44,420 posts
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    From that article:

    It is important to remember that complainants of rape and sexual assault have rights too, even when the suspect is Julian Assange.

    In a nutshell.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • disusedgenius 21 Aug 2012 11:53:29 5,359 posts
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    Didn't the complainant retract her complaint? Or was that just more internet hearsay?
  • Whizzo 21 Aug 2012 11:53:36 43,160 posts
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    StarchildHypocrethes wrote:
    "Prior to each insertion" is the most romantic phrase I've read in ages.

    "He gazed longingly into her eyes prior to each insertion."
    50 Shades of Galloway.

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  • LeoliansBro 21 Aug 2012 11:57:41 44,420 posts
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    disusedgenius wrote:
    Didn't the complainant retract her complaint? Or was that just more internet hearsay?
    If that was the case, why is Assange still hiding in an embassy flat?

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • disusedgenius 21 Aug 2012 11:59:15 5,359 posts
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    LeoliansBro wrote:
    If that was the case, why is Assange still hiding in an embassy flat?
    From what my brain is telling me (again, not a particularly reliable source) because the police have to investigate the offence once it's been reported.
  • Psychotext 21 Aug 2012 12:00:43 54,311 posts
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    disusedgenius wrote:
    Didn't the complainant retract her complaint? Or was that just more internet hearsay?
    Not exactly: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/wikileaks_assange_rape_case_reopened_r7CubC3brOX8i1opvSDofP

    Edited by Psychotext at 12:01:05 21-08-2012
  • chopsen 21 Aug 2012 12:05:31 16,093 posts
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    MrTomFTW wrote:
    Galloway always.makes sure to.shout "surprise" first. That way he knows he's legally covered.
    I've now got the image of a sweaty, gurning Galloway shouting "suprise! suprise! suprise!" with regular, rhythmic thrusts. Cheers for that.
  • spamdangled 23 Aug 2012 23:52:19 27,377 posts
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/23/women-against-rape-julian-assange?cat=commentisfree&type=article

    Oldest Anti-Rape group in the UK lends their opposition to the extradition.

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  • JBlokeUK 24 Aug 2012 00:10:22 2,308 posts
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    Chopsen wrote:
    Rape is one of those topics you really shouldn't touch with a barge poll as a man in the public eye. Bit like what happened to Ken Clarke. If you express any opinion on it at all, you'll get a pasting for it.

    (though Galloway is a prick and yes suprise sex while asleep is rape)
    Agreed, unfortunately some people don't think before they speak.

    I like it when he's angry.

  • angerisagift 24 Aug 2012 00:20:19 1,947 posts
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    darkmorgado wrote:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/23/women-against-rape-julian-assange?cat=commentisfree&type=article

    Oldest Anti-Rape group in the UK lends their opposition to the extradition.
    And 33 year old bloke from South of England with odd sounding gamertag still disagrees

    /shock

    Edited by angerisagift at 00:21:25 24-08-2012

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  • spamdangled 24 Aug 2012 00:25:22 27,377 posts
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    @angerisagift

    Their reasoning applies to both sides, to be fair. Their stance on the guilt thing is fairly neutral (well, as much as they don't offer an opinion either way), their viewpoint coming more from their analysis of whether a fair trial is even possible for either side at this point.

    Edited by darkmorgado at 00:25:40 24-08-2012

    Edited by darkmorgado at 00:26:19 24-08-2012

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