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  • MetalDog 6 Jul 2012 08:14:49 23,706 posts
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    darkmorgado wrote:
    The HOL has no democratic mandate whatsoever. It's a mate's list chosen by government each year with no cross-party agreement. Replacing the current system with PR will actually make it even more democratic than the HOC.
    No. Replacing the HOL with elected members will result in the HOL doing whatever the HOC wants it to do - or worse yet, whatever the most vocal Daily Mail readers want it to. We will lose a wealth of experience in law, science, social care, business, etc and we will gain a lot of people who are exactly like the shower currently baaaing away in the HOC.

    Democracy is not a panacea. The whole point of the HOL is to provide a counter to some of democracy's more serious flaws.

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  • Chopsen 6 Jul 2012 08:46:00 15,188 posts
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    Depends I think on the details.

    You could have people elected for longer terms, for example. Part of the problem with the HOC is that an election is always only a few years away at most - there is absolutely no incentive to do or say something unpopular in the short term for long term benefit and everything is framed as a quick fix. If being elected to the HOL means you're there for, say, a decade you're likely to have a different perspective on things.

    Also, you don't *have* to lose expertise in the name of democracy. People could be elected from nominated lists for example.

    I agree that pragmatically the HOL has actually been a very moderating influence over recent years, but I worry this has been more by luck than design.
  • Dougs 6 Jul 2012 08:55:08 64,988 posts
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    I'm with MD. Having worked extensively with the Lords, they bring enormous value in terms of scrutiny. Yeah, there are a few old duffers, but most peers are appointed to scrutinise policy and provide some checks and balances to legislation. An elected House may not provide that, as firstly the right expertise might not be present, and secondly, Party politics will become even more of an issue.
  • X201 6 Jul 2012 09:09:41 14,711 posts
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    One more for the HOL support.

    You only need to listen to "Today in Parliament" a couple of times to realise that the HOL is the UK citizen's greatest weapon in stopping the morons in the HOC from doing whatever they want (or what America tells them) to do.

    Appointment to the HOL should be outside of any political patronage. And it should not be left to the public, because they'll just use it as a referendum on the current government, and we'll just end up being as hamstrung as the US system; where elected officials rush to get everything through in the first two years, due to the public voting for the opposite party to rule the upper house in the mid-terms.
  • TheSaint 27 Sep 2012 23:11:24 13,659 posts
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    I like Steve Coogan but he has one hell of a chip on his shoulder.
  • boo 28 Sep 2012 00:33:59 11,604 posts
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    He does indeed.
    And Kirstie Allsopp always looks like she's just about to burst into tears.

    Anyway. What's with the two celebs on one program? One's usually too many. Stick to politicians.

    And did I read something on the Beeb site recently that says they're going to trial having a 6th 'Twitter' panelist?

    /rolls eyes

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  • drhcnip 28 Sep 2012 07:20:37 2,272 posts
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-19726751

    yup
    i like the comment further down that says all panellists should respond in 140 characters or less...
  • boo 11 Oct 2012 23:31:41 11,604 posts
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    Simon Hughes has a face that I would never tire of punching.

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  • X201 18 Oct 2012 23:10:59 14,711 posts
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    Mark Serwotka is a right nob end
  • TheSaint 15 Nov 2012 23:26:13 13,659 posts
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    Chris Grayling is having a major shocker tonight. He just said something along the lines of "A pupil can make a claim of assault against a teacher and ruin they career when all they did was give them a clip round the ear".

    Someone in the audience called him up on it straight away and he denied it, but you could almost see all the lights in the country dim slightly as everyone watching reached for the remote to rewind as one.
  • Deleted user 15 November 2012 23:28:20
    A single, relatively minor, lapse of a teacher being provoked by a brattish student resulting in the end of their career and livelihood is a little extreme.
  • kickerconspiracy 15 Nov 2012 23:32:05 495 posts
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    No, it really isn't.
  • spamdangled 16 Nov 2012 01:45:38 27,197 posts
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    TheSaint wrote:
    Chris Grayling is having a major shocker tonight. He just said something along the lines of "A pupil can make a claim of assault against a teacher and ruin they career when all they did was give them a clip round the ear".

    Someone in the audience called him up on it straight away and he denied it, but you could almost see all the lights in the country dim slightly as everyone watching reached for the remote to rewind as one.
    :-)

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  • Deleted user 16 November 2012 07:43:01
    kickerconspiracy wrote:
    No, it really isn't.
    Brilliantly made point.
  • MightyMouse 22 Nov 2012 23:42:57 1,091 posts
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    Wow, big ruckus at the end of QT tonight. They should have Owen Jones on every time to make it interesting.
  • RobTheBuilder 22 Nov 2012 23:44:55 6,521 posts
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    Owen Jones was great, IDS was a twat.
  • MightyMouse 22 Nov 2012 23:54:22 1,091 posts
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    Yeah, his comeback to being told that someone found 'fit to work' died of his illness the next day was that he was helping people! What a shit.
  • localnotail 13 Dec 2012 22:28:28 23,093 posts
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    Will Self vs Christopher "Wrong" Hitchens tonight.

    A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

  • Tom_Servo 13 Dec 2012 22:30:34 15,603 posts
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    localnotail wrote:
    Will Self vs Christopher "Wrong" Hitchens tonight.
    That would be... surprising. :)
  • DaM 13 Dec 2012 22:31:54 12,634 posts
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    Sod your intellectual debate, there's a program about adults pretending to be babies on Ch4. I don't see how any of these people can leave the house ever again.
  • localnotail 13 Dec 2012 22:33:44 23,093 posts
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    Ha. Sleepy. I meant to write the un-dead one, not the Undead one.

    A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

  • localnotail 13 Dec 2012 22:40:48 23,093 posts
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    DaM wrote:
    Sod your intellectual debate, there's a program about adults pretending to be babies on Ch4. I don't see how any of these people can leave the house ever again.
    I used to know someone like that. He liked to dress up as a little girl. University professor.


    I just want to watch Will Self be himself.

    A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

  • RobTheBuilder 13 Dec 2012 22:48:22 6,521 posts
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    I'm supporting Will. Hope he kicks Peter 'smug rod up the rod up his backside' Hitchens
  • MysteryLamb 13 Dec 2012 22:50:34 525 posts
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    Peter Hitchens is the archetypal 'douchebag'.
  • Tom_Servo 13 Dec 2012 22:52:22 15,603 posts
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    My word, some interesting audience members here.
  • Ginger 13 Dec 2012 22:52:40 6,808 posts
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    Wooooooooo, loony time

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  • localnotail 13 Dec 2012 23:10:37 23,093 posts
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    Audience are a rare mix this evening.

    Do you think Peter Hitchens just does it on purpose? Be an insufferable prig, I mean.

    Will Self is just poking him, hopefully he'll explode permanently.

    A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

  • RobTheBuilder 13 Dec 2012 23:11:19 6,521 posts
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    MysteryLamb wrote:
    Peter Hitchens is the archetypal 'douchebag'.
    Amen.
  • Deleted user 13 December 2012 23:34:27
    He makes me sick. What sad though his views are not too disimmilar from what i been hearing alot at work in the last week.
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