International 'nutter runs amok' shootings thread (inspired by America) Page 32

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  • Mola_Ram 24 Aug 2012 10:55:26 8,993 posts
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    warlockuk wrote:
    Great, now my chest is throbbing. Fuck you, Mola_Ram!
    Gay

    Edited by Mola_Ram at 10:59:34 24-08-2012
  • Mola_Ram 24 Aug 2012 11:01:07 8,993 posts
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    /looks around for Short_Round with killing intent

    Always hated that little fucker.
  • mcmonkeyplc 24 Aug 2012 14:38:28 39,694 posts
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    Empire state building shooting

    /facepalm

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • oceanmotion 24 Aug 2012 14:46:57 16,232 posts
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    Guess New York isn't so safe even with security to the max. Maybe that will open a few eyes.
  • thedaveeyres 24 Aug 2012 15:03:21 11,810 posts
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    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    Empire state building shooting

    /facepalm
    The incident does not appear to be terror-related, police said.
    What does that even mean?

  • Mola_Ram 24 Aug 2012 15:07:45 8,993 posts
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    It means a Muslim didn't do it.
  • thedaveeyres 24 Aug 2012 15:09:13 11,810 posts
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    Indeed. I fucking hate dog whistles.

  • Whizzo 24 Aug 2012 15:10:28 43,482 posts
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    I blame video games.

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  • oceanmotion 24 Aug 2012 15:13:55 16,232 posts
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    It was because DICE released game art as a bonus for BF3 Premium members.
  • fletch7100 24 Aug 2012 15:27:42 7,525 posts
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  • BinaryBob101 24 Aug 2012 15:33:18 24,993 posts
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    fletch7100 wrote:
    Bloody hell, that's crazy.

    www.TheGrumpyVaper.com

  • Flightrisker 24 Aug 2012 15:36:02 18,139 posts
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    thedaveeyres wrote:
    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    Empire state building shooting

    /facepalm
    The incident does not appear to be terror-related, police said.
    What does that even mean?
    It was a white "gunman" not a foreign "terrorist".
  • glaeken 24 Aug 2012 15:36:19 11,323 posts
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    @fletch7100 That is fairly amazing. They just have no fire discipline at all. One shot goes off and they all start blazing away. I guess you have adrenaline involved in such situations but itís difficult to see how the police could feel that threatened in that situation given how many of them there were and that guy only had a knife. Seemed like the exact situation tasers were designed for.

    Edited by glaeken at 15:36:51 24-08-2012
  • BillMurray 24 Aug 2012 15:39:04 8,029 posts
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    That really is scary. Do many cops not bother with tasers or are few of them equipped with one? At least maybe put one in his leg instead of throwing 30 rounds into someone.

    Edited by BillMurray at 15:40:13 24-08-2012
  • Flightrisker 24 Aug 2012 15:40:47 18,139 posts
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    glaeken wrote:
    @fletch7100 That is fairly amazing. They just have no fire discipline at all. One shot goes off and they all start blazing away. I guess you have adrenaline involved in such situations but itís difficult to see how the police could feel that threatened in that situation given how many of them there were and that guy only had a knife. Seemed like the exact situation tasers were designed for.
    Or just kneecap them or something. If he had a gun I'd kinda understand but he was hardly any kind of threat to them.
  • billythekid 24 Aug 2012 15:42:40 11,534 posts
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    That's fucking mental! Taser? Shotgun bean bag rounds? Nah, unload on the bloke.
  • glaeken 24 Aug 2012 15:43:32 11,323 posts
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    @BillMurray No idea really. It probably varies between police department knowing the US. A gun would certainly be closer to hand I would think though as they obviously carry them but would probably have to retrieve a Taser from the car.

    Anyway crazy guy who is no threat to you because you have a gun but will not act reasonably is the ideal situation for a Taser.

    Edited by glaeken at 15:44:04 24-08-2012
  • mrpon 24 Aug 2012 15:48:11 29,971 posts
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    Has no-one invented the HL2 gravity gun yet?!

    Give me £5 I'm worth it.

  • Tom_Servo 24 Aug 2012 15:49:16 18,082 posts
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    Sounds like the Empire State Building guy was an employee who had been recently fired.
  • smoothpete 24 Aug 2012 15:59:02 32,022 posts
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    If they have tasers, they carry them on their belt. There would be no sense whatsoever in having to go get it from the car.
  • thedaveeyres 24 Aug 2012 16:03:59 11,810 posts
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    Flightrisker wrote:
    thedaveeyres wrote:
    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    Empire state building shooting

    /facepalm
    The incident does not appear to be terror-related, police said.
    What does that even mean?
    It was a white "gunman" not a foreign "terrorist".
    I imagine the cops on the scene expressing their incredulity at victims being in terror at the situation.... "WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING? IT'S A WHITE GUY. IT'S OK, HE'S JUST GOT A BIT SHOOTY, NOTHING TO BE SCARED OF"

  • smoothpete 24 Aug 2012 16:08:18 32,022 posts
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    Goddamn it guys. A terror attack is one that is specifically designed to terrorise people with a political or religious agenda motivating the attack. There's no relation to skin colour whatsoever.
  • thedaveeyres 24 Aug 2012 16:12:47 11,810 posts
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    smoothpete wrote:
    Goddamn it guys. A terror attack is one that is specifically designed to terrorise people with a political or religious agenda motivating the attack. There's no relation to skin colour whatsoever.
    If reports are true that this is a disgruntled former employee who decided to stick it to "the man" by killing as many innocent people as possible, how is that different from a "terror" attack. Is that not an (admittedly petty) political motivation?

  • Khanivor 24 Aug 2012 16:23:41 41,564 posts
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    No.
  • thedaveeyres 24 Aug 2012 16:28:35 11,810 posts
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    Well that's me convinced. O_o

    It's a sliding scale from WTC through Oklahoma through Aurora through to this. "Terror-related" is a dog whistle, pure and simple.

  • Khanivor 24 Aug 2012 16:31:17 41,564 posts
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    Two out of three examples commuted by a white fella...
  • Deleted user 24 August 2012 16:33:06
    Terror-related can be a dog whistle, but it's also a (linguistically not very useful) way of referencing explicitly politicised attacks - I kill you because you occupy **** etc.

    'Terror' is a terrible word to use for it, as guns=terror in my head - any gun.
  • thedaveeyres 24 Aug 2012 16:40:03 11,810 posts
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    Khanivor wrote:
    Two out of three examples commuted by a white fella...
    Yes, that's part of my point.

    McVeigh was referred to as a "domestic terrorist" in 1995 for railing against the 'establishment' ie. federal government. James Holmes, as far as I've read, hasn't been cited as a terrorist, He's "mentally ill" apparently in 2012 - not "terror-related" despite the word being that he was railing against 'the establishment' treating him unfairly ie. his university and academia at large. It's not hard to jump to the conclusion that "terror-related" is a word reserved in the US media for muslims now, post-911.

    It feels churlish to argue about this to be honest, I'll stop splitting hairs.

    Edited by thedaveeyres at 16:41:31 24-08-2012

  • Deleted user 24 August 2012 16:41:55
    Yeah, since 2001 it has, of course, taken on that unfortunate baggage.
  • Khanivor 24 Aug 2012 17:57:35 41,564 posts
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    I'm wondering when the term 'dog whistle' became part of the lexicon. I follow US politics and media closely and only began to see it appear with great regularity early summer this year.

    Anyway, terrorism and 'argh! terrorism!!!" are two different things. One is a defined word and the other is a part of a headline.
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