International 'nutter runs amok' shootings thread (inspired by America) Page 49

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  • Psychotext 21 Dec 2012 16:31:40 53,849 posts
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    I imagine there's a hell of a lot of crossover between them and the republican party.
  • Commander-Keen 21 Dec 2012 16:33:21 806 posts
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    They're one of the most powerful lobbies in the country.

    To recap: It's the fault of the hurricanes, the media, poor people, and computer games. But not guns. Definitely not guns.

    Solution: Armed guards (good guys he's calling them) in every school in the US by the end of January. Logic: Because we have the secret service guard the President, so why not our children.

    It's beyond parody.
  • Psychotext 21 Dec 2012 16:34:09 53,849 posts
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    I'm going to go and see what's being said about it on the American forums...
  • JuanKerr 21 Dec 2012 16:34:13 36,203 posts
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    It's like an episode of The Simpsons.
  • Deleted user 21 December 2012 16:34:19
    JuanKerr wrote:
    How much influence does the NRA actually have in the US?
    Depends on what they're trying to influence. This plan they've concocted on the backs of napkins won't be implemented. But they have a fair whack of influence on gun control politics by their lobbyist groups and influence on people by media.
  • Deleted user 21 December 2012 16:36:46
    EDIT: Actually, never mind. I'm not quite sure what I'm trying to say.

    Edited by meme at 16:45:03 21-12-2012
  • monkman76 21 Dec 2012 16:37:58 3,978 posts
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    "We want armed guards in every school!"
    "How will the country pay for that?"
    "We'll have to raise ta-- oh shit."
  • RedSparrows 21 Dec 2012 16:44:16 22,069 posts
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    The way to make people feel safer and introduce a positive environment for kids and their parents etc etc: MORE GUNS!
  • Bremenacht 21 Dec 2012 16:49:32 17,613 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    Sounds like even more guns to me. Perfect!
    Yes! A fantastic business opportunity!

    Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas):
    "I wish to God she had had an m-4 in her office, locked up so when she heard gunfire, she pulls it out ... and takes him out and takes his head off before he can kill those precious kids," Gohmert said of slain principal Dawn Hochsprung on Fox News Sunday. He argued that shooters often choose schools because they know people will be unarmed.
    (huffpost)
  • Psychotext 21 Dec 2012 16:51:20 53,849 posts
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    Oh god...

    The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
    The terrifying thing is that I don't think any of them realise that pretty much anyone can snap. I imagine it's going to take an NRA member going postal before they get the slightest clue.
  • Bremenacht 21 Dec 2012 16:51:29 17,613 posts
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    Other people who want more guns in American schools

    (list at the bottom)
  • Deleted user 21 December 2012 16:51:47
    What a fucking tard. Shooters often choose schools because they go there as students.
  • SparkyMarky81 21 Dec 2012 16:57:22 562 posts
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    Commander Keen wrote:
    They're one of the most powerful lobbies in the country.

    To recap: It's the fault of the hurricanes, the media, poor people, and computer games. But not guns. Definitely not guns.

    Solution: Armed guards (good guys he's calling them) in every school in the US by the end of January. Logic: Because we have the secret service guard the President, so why not our children.

    It's beyond parody.
    That is dumb but it is too simplistic to just blame guns. There are many factors which contributed to this and banning guns only solves one. Even then, it won't have any short term benefit due to the number of guns already in circulation.

    The conversation shouldn't be about guns alone. It should be about why some American kids feel so isolated and messed up they react like Adam Lanza did. That would have to encapsulate the American culture, media, parenting and mental health care, as well as gun access. Only then will things change.

    The gun is a means to an end but it isn't the reason for the violence, just the medium.
  • Deleted user 21 December 2012 17:10:22
    Well the ignorance in that speech was oustanding. Some of the language in the speech was pretty damning . Absolute protection? The whole idea of baddies vs goodies is so outdated. Armed guards in schools, thats not a an enviroment to raise kids in...etc etc etc.
  • Deleted user 21 December 2012 17:15:18
    SparkyMarky81 wrote:
    Commander Keen wrote:
    They're one of the most powerful lobbies in the country.

    To recap: It's the fault of the hurricanes, the media, poor people, and computer games. But not guns. Definitely not guns.

    Solution: Armed guards (good guys he's calling them) in every school in the US by the end of January. Logic: Because we have the secret service guard the President, so why not our children.

    It's beyond parody.
    That is dumb but it is too simplistic to just blame guns. There are many factors which contributed to this and banning guns only solves one. Even then, it won't have any short term benefit due to the number of guns already in circulation.

    The conversation shouldn't be about guns alone. It should be about why some American kids feel so isolated and messed up they react like Adam Lanza did. That would have to encapsulate the American culture, media, parenting and mental health care, as well as gun access. Only then will things change.

    The gun is a means to an end but it isn't the reason for the violence, just the medium.
    Its a sad vicious cycle of the far right and the interpreatations of the bill of rights. The solutions to a lot of the probelms the far right pounces upon as an infringement on there idea of the constituion.

    Right to bear arms, having to stand on your own two feet, Health care is expensive and any paid of care by the government is seen as socialism. Any government intervention is damn those pesky communists, Mental health is still seen as a taboo, american culture ostracises a lot of normal people etc.
  • Bremenacht 21 Dec 2012 17:16:38 17,613 posts
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    Sadly, I think the NRA has hit on a winning approach to the problem. An American solution to an American problem. I see them getting a lot of support for it, leaving a lot of other people utterly baffled.
  • oceanmotion 21 Dec 2012 17:18:21 15,662 posts
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    I would like to hear some talk from Obama on mental health, parenting, drugs, celebrity media and culture. While guns are a major issue that needs tackled, doing the same for the others is the right idea to move the US forward. They are all connected.

    Edited by oceanmotion at 17:18:58 21-12-2012
  • MrTomFTW Moderator 21 Dec 2012 17:18:40 37,377 posts
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    They mentioned a game called "Kindergarten Killer". I did a quick Google and...

    http://www.gold-online-games.com/games/shooting/kindergarten-killer-play.html

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  • Deleted user 21 December 2012 17:21:01
    Getting support for it and actually having it go through are different things, though. I don't really see this proposed plan getting through. Obama can just veto it down if it gets to that stage (he can't rationally approve it -and- support tighter gun laws, realistically), and enough of Congress is Dem to avoid any two-thirds override.
  • Psychotext 21 Dec 2012 17:23:08 53,849 posts
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    MrTomFTW wrote:
    They mentioned a game called "Kindergarten Killer". I did a quick Google and...

    http://www.gold-online-games.com/games/shooting/kindergarten-killer-play.html
    That fits actually. Guns for everyone, let the good guys stop the bad guys!
  • oceanmotion 21 Dec 2012 17:29:11 15,662 posts
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    Morning donut, hot coffee, spitball. Guard loses it, rampage. Some paedo guards for sure.
  • FogHeart 21 Dec 2012 17:32:27 944 posts
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    It's hardly the first time the NRA have put this forward, I doubt it'll get more traction than it has so far.

    Hell, the whole stupid situation has gone around and around for so long now. Anti-gun says tight regulation will bring down gun crime rate, pro-gun will quote Mexico. Anti-gun will say they have lots of illegal guns from the USA spilling in, pro-gun will say Canada doesn't have tighter regulations or a high rate and they share a border. Anti-gun says a crazy man with a gun will kill far more than a crazy man without one, pro-gun will dig up anecdotes about killers who managed it unarmed. Anti-gun quotes Dunblane, pro-gun says gun crime rose afterwards. And around and around we go....


    It's still pretty simple to me though. To stop crazy people with guns, you either stop having crazy people or stop them having guns or both. If Americans want to stop having crazy people, they have to reform healthcare to be more...social. If they want to stop them having guns, they have to tighten gun laws. Both pretty anathemic to the GOP, who would rather wait for the mentally ill to perform a criminal act and put them in jail than pay for their healthcare.

    Edited by FogHeart at 17:34:05 21-12-2012
  • Psychotext 21 Dec 2012 17:32:43 53,849 posts
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    Gun toting paedo guards. This sounds like an RPG in the making.
  • BillMurray 21 Dec 2012 17:38:20 7,622 posts
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    ED-209 in every school corridor!
  • Psychotext 21 Dec 2012 17:45:36 53,849 posts
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    HALL PASS, YOU HAVE TWENTY SECONDS TO COMPLY.
  • the_dudefather 21 Dec 2012 17:50:34 9,202 posts
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    Are they seriously blaming splatterhouse of all things?

    And modern politician would blame COD or Gta or something

    Edited by the_dudefather at 17:53:42 21-12-2012

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  • Commander-Keen 21 Dec 2012 17:50:58 806 posts
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    It's Friday night. Mustn't... get... sucked into internet debate...BUT...

    SparkyMarky81 wrote:
    There are many factors which contributed to this and banning guns only solves one.
    I see where you're coming from and I agree with this general sentiment up to a point, but I think that this statement is perhaps a touch disingenuous. Guns are not simply a factor in this; they're the critical factor in this.

    While no-one is going to suggest a) an outright ban on all guns and b) that getting rid of guns will make homicides go away, if this kid had gone into his school with simply a knife, there would be a *lot* less dead people right now.

    Putting up an annoying low wall is a proven deterrent, especially in crimes of passion and opportunism, which this obviously was, at least on some level. It won't stop the organised gangs of criminals which you would differentiate this sort of thing from, but it likely will put an end to school massacres, or massively reduce them.

    SparkyMarky81 wrote:The conversation shouldn't be about guns alone. It should be about why some American kids feel so isolated and messed up they react like Adam Lanza did. That would have to encapsulate the American culture, media, parenting and mental health care, as well as gun access. Only then will things change.
    If what you're saying here, is that there is a societal factor in the US especially, then I agree. But I'd say that gun ownership and organisations like the NRA are a symptom of that sickness and are included in aggravating that factor.

    Not nearly as many people need to own guns as do - most are purely recreational, despite a very bizarre revisionist approach to the second amendment by the NRA and friends.

    You mention the media, and I agree, but I'd say it's the right wing media who whip up a froth about violence and danger and exaggerate the "good" of owning a gun for self-defence. Would having had a gun in her home (perhaps she even did) have helped Senator Giffords? In most cases, owning a gun won't help, unless it's locked and loaded in your pants / knickers every minute of everyday. Missus.

    I agree that everyone needs to take their share of the blame, but it's a truth as simple as smoking = cancer, over-eating = fatness that guns = gun-deaths. Take down the figure on one side of the equation and you reduce it on the other. Simples.
  • BillMurray 21 Dec 2012 17:56:48 7,622 posts
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    ... aaand even whilst that NRA press conference was going on there was a shooting in Pennsylvania. At least 4 dead apparently.
  • Commander-Keen 21 Dec 2012 18:08:59 806 posts
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    Seriously? Do you have a link?! Awful!

    Also, this was glossed over in the NRA conference because there was so much other batshit crazy stuff in there, but:

    "[NRA suggested that] teachers in schools should be armed in order to better defend students if a shooting occurs."

    Are you kidding me? Arming teachers? That is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard, on so many levels.

    My wife is a teacher. She teaches RE, Philosophy and Sociology. There is no way on earth that part of her job should involve SHOOTING MURDERERS AT HER PLACE OF WORK. She's a teacher. Not a SWAT team commando.

    They've lost their fucking minds.

    Edited by Commander Keen at 18:10:09 21-12-2012
  • BillMurray 21 Dec 2012 18:16:43 7,622 posts
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    http://www.gawker.com/5970497/while-the-nra-was-on-tv-talking-about-the-need-for-more-guns-some-guy-was-walking-up-and-down-a-road-in-pennsylvania-shooting-people

    Hope that link works.

    Edited by BillMurray at 18:17:03 21-12-2012
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