Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure

Published 19 October, 2007

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  • quantumsheep #1 5 years ago

    :O

  • Kami #2 5 years ago

    ...

    did I just slip back in time a few years?

  • smelly #3 5 years ago

    dammit.. you got in there first with the "it looks like a spectrum" game posts..

    pah

  • MadMirko #4 5 years ago

    There are more screens on the-magicbox, and there is also a thread about this and Opoona which both actually look quite interesting.

  • deepmenace #5 5 years ago

    sometime's i find myself questioning even the statement that the wii is gamecube times 2.

  • L0cky #6 5 years ago

    Watch out, I said the same about Dewy's Adventure and someone weed on me.

    It's unfortunate because out of the current gen I'm only really interested in the Wii yet it's dangerously looking like the console of choice for laziness.

  • smelly #7 5 years ago

    "sometime's i find myself questioning even the statement that the wii is gamecube times 2."


    Yeah.. I played the arcade version of TMNT on the 360 the other day. It looked absolute crap. After playing that i found myself questioning if the 360 was actually more powerful than a snes or not.

  • Nikanoru #8 5 years ago

    Kato, I think he's bothered by it because, while giggling and pointing out the lack of shineys, the kids completely disregard any actual artistic merit or style or whatever it's trying to accomplish at all. It's the same for this game as it is for many others.

    It's like laughing at the webcomic PVP because it doesn't use color or shading or bloom effects or lensflares like many webcomics do these days. "Wow that looks like shit haha! No lensflare? I don't want to waste my bandwidth on that, instead I'll reserve it for something worth looking at!"

    It's retarded. It's extremely childish. You are childish. The games industry will never mature like other media have while there are still people like you.


    That said: whatever. Lots and lots of people never outgrow the mental age of 13, so I guess it's useless getting too worked up about it.

  • smelly #9 5 years ago

    What Nikanoru said.

    I have no allegiance to one console, i dont particularly give a shite. I do tend to like nintendo games, but this isnt a nintendo game.. But I wont go into that now.

    I'll write a long reply here, which'll make people belive that im supporting nintendo and what not.. but what the fuck.

    Right (i'll try to keep this short and sweet).

    If you keep "pushing technology" like the other two are doing. Then all you end up with is realistic looking games. Now reality is boring. We've all seen reality every day of our lives. For me, one of the best bits about playing games is playing in a universe that the artists have created, and can constantly suprise you. I feel sorry for some modern gamers who'll never experience the feeling of "oooh, lets get to the next level to see where the artists take us next", because "the next level" is just more reality, and it's just the story which keeps you playing. Im sorry but if i want to have a story then i'll read a book or watch a movie, games are supposed to be interactive.

    The prolbem is though, that if you try to go with different artistic styles (dare i say "cartoony" - i hate that word), then even on a playstation 8, it wont look like it's pushing the hardware to a lot of people (because it doesnt look uber realistic).

    But some games NEED to live in a cartoony world. Sonic on the 360 looked awful because they took a cartoon character and took him into the "real world" SO they could make it look "next gen" and not have the complaints of fanboys saying said game isnt pushing the hardware, etc. But it looked out of place and it wasnt sonic.

    Reality is boring.


    My other point is with the people who are quick to just jump in to any wii thread saying "hahaha, the graphics on this game look crap to me, so therefor the wii must be crap". Some people are even doing that one great looking games like mario galaxy and smash bros (which is insane!). Which is boring and tired, and fanboyish (again a word i hate). But what is REALLY strange, is when someone turns around and says they're talking bollocks, people just jump on them and call them "a nintendo appologist" or "a nintendo fanboy who cant take critisim", etc etc


    Fact of the matter graphics DONT matter to a lot of gamers. Otherwise the ps2 wouldnt have sold 100 million odd units. More than 5 times what the graphically superior consoles sold (xbox, cube, dreamcast, etc). the n64 was hugely technically better than the ps1.. made fuck all difference to the sales. In fact I never owned a n64, i prefered the ps1. This is one of the reasons i liike the idea of the VC (I can play games i didnt play a few years ago).


    "So why do you spend all day so vehemently defending the actual console itself?"

    Well we all know now that you think the machine is shit. Why do you spend all day going into every thread for a wii game saying stuff like "Looks good.... Bwahahahaaahahaa".. Then have the nerve of saying that people who are saying you're talking bollocks are fanboys?

    Thats kind of the sort of thing i used to see a lot of in playgrounds when i was a child. Makes me wonder if you should be playing games more suitable for your age range? Have you considered a wii? Most of nintendos games are very family friendly and suitable for a child of your age range..

  • dirigiblebill #10 5 years ago

    'Reality is boring'.

    Punchy. That's one hell of a can of worms you're opening. I'm resisting with difficulty the temptation to disappear up my own arse in search of terms like 'empiricism', 'existential alienation' and whatnot.

    I agree with you that graphical fidelity in games is undeservedly hyped- gaming should be more to do with fun, time off, messing around etc (the often overlooked 'play' in 'gameplay') rather than a slavish devotion to pixel-intensive authenticity. I'd ask you however to tell us in more detail what you mean by realism. Any particular examples?

    'If you keep "pushing technology" like the other two are doing. Then all you end up with is realistic looking games.'

    How so?
    Edited by 1 at 18/03/07 @ 20:08

  • smelly #11 5 years ago

    @Kato: Cant be arsed replying to you if yer just gonna behave like a child, so will i.


    "Punchy. That's one hell of a can of worms you're opening."

    Yip.. But that's just my opinion, dont expect anyone to agree with me.


    "how so"

    Well i just wrote a huge rant, i aint about to do the same again.

    Edited by 1 at 18/03/07 @ 20:32

  • smelly #12 5 years ago

    Sigh .. go on then.. just so kato can have some masturbatory fodder:

    "So why do you spend all day so vehemently defending the actual console itself?"

    I dont

    "I mean you know the Wii's spec is absolute shit compared to its competitors right?"

    Yes I do. And you do know the most succesful console of all time (ps2) spec was absolute shite compared to its competitors (cube, xbox, dreamcast)?


    "Why does it upset you so badly when people point it out? "

    I dont.

    I just find it a bit sad that you feel the need to run into every game posting how crap it looks while pulling your pud as desperately fast as possible in case your mom is about to walk in.

    Edited by 1 at 18/03/07 @ 21:27

  • Nikanoru #13 5 years ago

    Oh well, I guess talking down on people sarcastically without actually having a case at all, is an art in itself! Kato FTW!~ :)

    By the way, don't put me in the same "team" as smelly. I might support the same basic idea, but I wouldn't put my argument the same way he does.

  • dirigiblebill #14 5 years ago

    'talking down on people sarcastically without actually having a case at all'

    Yes, you've fallen foul of the dreaded Kato thread-ninjitsu. Beware his fearsome warcry "Bet you're younger than me! Oooh, you posted back. Looks like I hit a nerve (snigger) /leaves."

  • L0cky #15 5 years ago

    Smelly, I agree that someone shouldn't assume you are a nintendo apologist simply for saying that graphics aren't the be all and end all of a game; and others shouldn't assume a game is crap because the graphics aren't uber realistic.

    However, in the same way you shouldn't assume that the moment someone says the game looks sub par they are specifically talking about it's photorealism and the console's technical capabilities.

    As you inferred yourself, there is artistic creativity; is it not possible to criticise that?

    A console's capabilities serves as a baseline for what the artist _could_ do. You can liken it to the quality of the brush/canvas/paint for a painter, let's see what they can do with what they've got.

    With this in mind, I'm seeing a lot of games on the Wii where they just haven't bothered - technically or artistically (reasons for which are pretty obvious but I will leave for another time). In some cases it really doesn't matter; look at some variant of Soduku or say, 42 All-Time Classics on the DS, or some Tetris variation. Or platformers, or shoot em ups.

    However, with other games it simply does matter. An adventure game, any third person or first person game; basically any game where the developer is trying to immerse the player in a story (something you said you don't want, so why not stick to chess).

    Twilight Princess is the golden example. It's out on Wii but built for Gamecube tech. It's not uber realistic, it doesn't have all the fancy pixel shaders of modern games yet it's dripping with creativity that results in an immersive yet non realistic world that the player can escape into.

    Now, when I say this game looks sub-standard, can you not assume I'm talking about realism?

  • smelly #16 5 years ago

    Thats not my point. My point was never about the graphical capabilities of the wii.

    My point was that this game goes after a different style to other games. That style will always look like its "lesser powered". Because it doesnt look uber realistic.

    Because apparently reality is the only thing which counts nowadays.

    Are you a technical graphics programmer? How do you know whether or not what this is doing is complcated or not? For all we know this could be the forefront of technology to look like this. But as far as most people are concerned if it doesnt look like real life then it's not great graphically.

    Which was kinda my point. Ah well..

    Edited by 1 at 18/03/07 @ 22:35

  • L0cky #17 5 years ago

    'Thats not my point. My point was never about the graphical capabilities of the wii.'

    Nor was mine.

    'But as far as most people are concerned if it doesnt look like real life then it's not great graphically.'

    This was my point too - that I disagree. I don't believe most people do this, I think you (aswell as others) do it for them, unfairly. I think some people don't grasp that it can be creatively unrealistic (a better term than cartoonish, I hate that too)... and still be bad!

  • Carrybagma #18 5 years ago

    I think even someone who likes Nintendo and likes the Wii could (grudgingly) accept that the graphics shown in the above screen-shots are dire. I'm pretty sure the comment about it looking like a N64 games wasn't a joke. It looks like an N64 game. It's sub-PS2. It has no artistic merit, unless the aim is to recreate the style of Banjo-Kazooie or something in that style.

    L0cky's original comment about the Wii being the console of choice for laziness is -sadly- spot on. From the above screenshots alone, I'd take a guess that it's just going to be another of a very long line of tired-out old games that will have 'Wiimote-waving' cynically bolted on, in an attempt to fleece new gamers and old.

    Seeing as it's a working title, perhaps it will improve greatly before release. Then again, perhaps they'll stick it on the shelves as soon as they dare in order to cash in on Wii-mania.

  • smelly #19 5 years ago

    L0cky... What point did you think i was arguing agaisnt anything you said?

  • Nikanoru #20 5 years ago

    I think even someone who likes Nintendo and likes the Wii could (grudgingly) accept that the graphics shown in the above screen-shots are dire. I'm pretty sure the comment about it looking like a N64 games wasn't a joke. It looks like an N64 game. It's sub-PS2. It has no artistic merit, unless the aim is to recreate the style of Banjo-Kazooie or something in that style.

    Wow. I take it you haven't seen -all- of the screenshots?

    Look through that entire gallery of scans on the-magicbox (there are multiple pages) and then tell me that all those comments don't sound absolutely ludicrous.

    Besides, the first of the two screens up there wasn't even meant to show graphics but gameplay. Yeah, it doesn't look very good. Hell, I can make a screenshot of Crysis look bad by zooming far into an unlit rock side and call the entire game awful-looking. But that's just retarded.

    The other one with the water? Frankly, I don't see what's so bad about that one to warrant that kind of bashing.

  • smelly #21 5 years ago

    Ha ha!

    Geesus, i wish i had your grasp of the english language. You just summed up what i've been trying to say.. but in a load less words.

    I blame my english teacher.. :-)

    Or maybe im just dumb?

  • Carrybagma #22 5 years ago

    Ok. Those magicbox screenies are a lot better.

    Let's hope there's a game in there too.

  • dirigiblebill #23 5 years ago

    I wish somebody would buy into my 'what is realism' ramblings. I've got loads of big words and books lined up to lay down the brain pwnage. Bastards.

  • L0cky #24 5 years ago

    Smelly... you were the first to jump the gun on realism :P

    I agree, if it's entirely puzzle based and not an adventure title then the graphics don't matter a damn.

  • Nova5lag #25 5 years ago

    I think it looks great. I will pick it up I love puzzles. Im all for substance over style and EG must agree slitherlink 9/10! riiight.

  • Tonka #26 5 years ago

    Thois game is on my pre order list. Looks absolutely smashing. If it wasn't for SMG and NMH it would be at the top.