Xbox 360 vs. PS3 Face-Off: Round 15

By Richard Leadbetter Published 4 November, 2008

BioShock, Dead Space, Pure, Midnight Club, Spidey, Star Wars.

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Eurogamer's dogged, relentless coverage of the latest in cross-platform console development continues into this mammoth 15th round, where six more high-profile games are torn apart to the sounds of rage, applause and occasional reasoned debate from the internet assembled.

Of course, you all know the deal by now. Key to our quest is mastery of the video outputs of the respective consoles. Zero-compromise 24-bit full-range RGB captures from the HDMI ports of the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 allow us to produce the best comparison screen grabs, while Eurogamer's h264-equipped video player means the best in streaming video (make sure you have that 'high quality' feature enabled). And if all that isn't good enough, the high-def captures in all their 720p 60FPS majesty can be downloaded for playback on fast PCs, Xbox 360 or PS3 via the author's blog where similar content for the technically obsessed can also be found. [Enough plugs. - Ed]

In terms of releases covered this time around, we've centred on a collection of the most recent, interesting or controversial titles:

Next up after this is a special face-off bonus round: a gaming ménage a trois featuring Fallout 3 on PC, PS3 and Xbox 360. Just how good, or bad, are the console versions compared to the PC game? Find out later this week; the results may not be as clear-cut as others have already proclaimed. After that, it'll be back to the regular format, combining a number of new titles with a series of round-ups in an effort to reduce a genuinely intimidating 'to-do list'.

Previous Face-Offs:

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  • Benno #1 3 years ago

    360 > PS3

  • jonsaan #2 3 years ago

    Spectrum>C64

  • mowgli #3 3 years ago

    Lol always a joy.

  • Benno #4 3 years ago

    The tearing on the PS3 Spider man is awful.

  • RedSparrows #5 3 years ago

    RUN AWAAAAAAYYY

  • Calgon #6 3 years ago

    Wow... did any of you actually read it or did you go straight to the comments?

  • EzyRyder #7 3 years ago

    /wakes up

    What we all know (well except Team Ninja). The Xbox 360 is more powerful than the PS3.

    /goes back to bed

  • PlugMonkey #8 3 years ago

    Can you do one of these for Fallout 3 please? I was going to get it on PS3 because I'm sick of listening to my 360 drive graunching and grinding its way through Fable 2, but I've read that the PS3 version has some technical issues.

    Cheers.

  • Charlie_Miso #9 3 years ago

    air force 1's > air jordens

  • SPKRFCKR #10 3 years ago

    i only read the Bioshock comparison, but the reviewer was quite critical of the PS3 version :/

  • udat #11 3 years ago

    Fallout 3 is only 29 quid in Sainsburys this week for the 360, and 35 quid for the PS3. Kind made my decision for me.

  • ronuds #12 3 years ago

    In before, "these comparisons are stupid and I hate EG" comments!

  • GitSomE_UK #13 3 years ago

    Star Wars episodes 4-6 > Star Wars episodes 1 - 3

  • crummyname #14 3 years ago

    some good games in this comparison for a change.

  • ronuds #15 3 years ago

    @ GitSome

    Are you out of your crazy mind?

    Edit: Wait! Forgot that 4-6 was actually 1-3. Get my meaning?
    Edited by 1 at 04/11/08 @ 14:25

  • CandT #16 3 years ago

    360 = Consistent, PS3 = Compromise....

    Thats what I get from the comparisons...

  • canIdoyabombsforya #17 3 years ago

    Why do they bother?
    I mean, why do Sony bother lying? when EG are going to rub their noses in it ;)

    "Gamers are ready for Real change"
    Kaz Hirai

  • StooMonster #18 3 years ago

    As an expansion of this analysis, I'd like to see an analysis of platform exclusives.

    What is the rendered pixel resolution and average FPS of Gears Of War 2, what is the same for Resistance 2, etc.

  • Hexobot #19 3 years ago

    I declare this day to be the Official Xbox 360 is better than PS3 day. Let's all move forward without recrimination and enjoy a bright Xbox 360 future together. amen.

  • michaelius #20 3 years ago

    I might start caring about diffrences once FF XIII is released :)

  • GrumpyLlama #21 3 years ago

    These articles have a strange facination, not the details but the comments afterwards. I used to have a 360 but exchanged it for a PS3 when it broke for the second time. I just got fed up with it breaking down, the noise when watching a DVD was just too much and the up coming games just didn't do it for me. Now there are things that I miss about the big plastic jet engine - like Live and missing out on Fable 2 but I don't care if one version runs at 60fps or 30fps and I've never seen screen tear. Both systems have good games so go enjoy them

  • Trigga_Tybalt #22 3 years ago

    i'm sick of lazy developers. how many more of these rounds will it take for us ps3 gamers to get some well made games?

  • Quint2020 #23 3 years ago

    "air force 1's > air jordans"

    that's fighting talk

  • Tonka #24 3 years ago

    Who won?
    I want clear numbers at the end!

  • DFawkes #25 3 years ago

    Before the pages of fanboy stuff, I'd like to register that I disagree with the only one that I've played on both. Bioshock, and that the development team should be commended for their excellent work.

    Then I'd like to retract that good will because of the price of the DLC. I realise this wasn't the developers faults though, so I un-retract the good will.

  • #26 3 years ago

    Tbh, maybe it my age and my eyes but i seen no fucking difference in the first few videos. I honestly fail to see the point of these now. The games graphics are becoming so close its now down to insignificant little hair splitting other than frame rates which are important.





  • IronCladChicken #27 3 years ago

    Howard the Duck & Willow > Star Wars episodes 1 - 3

  • justsomeone #28 3 years ago

    ok, ok, i'll buy a 360 already. sheesh. are you happy now?

    so can you please stop these articles? thanks.

  • optimusprym8 #29 3 years ago

    Does it really matter which system is better for the Spiderman game?

  • Mr-Brett #30 3 years ago

    these comparisons are stupid and I hate EG

  • systems #31 3 years ago

    Why are they stupid? I own both systems and I only want to buy the game once. Why should I buy the game for the lesser system? I couldn't give a toss about loyalty and fanboyism - I want the best and that's the end of it.

  • Yossarian #32 3 years ago

    Bioshock and Dead Space were pretty crushing reads for PS3 owners.

  • Dizzy #33 3 years ago

    In before the "these games are shit anyway" comments.

    Oh wait...

  • speedjack #34 3 years ago

    Dear god man - if they upset you so much why click on the link or even take the time to comment ?
    Edited by 1 at 04/11/08 @ 14:41

  • Razz #35 3 years ago

    /sets up shop

    GET YER FLAMING PITCHFORKS, HOTDOGS, CHAIRS, BEER HERE!

  • drumbaby #36 3 years ago

    Reading what EG say about the PS3 version here, and remembering the score they gave it in the review...Actually quite funny really.

  • GamerG #37 3 years ago

    Another clear victory for the superior Xbox 360.

    I think EG should give this up now its clear which platform is the most powerful and any further analysis is simply wasting time and rubbing the salt into the wounds of bitter Sony fanboys who believed all the Crap Ken Kuaragi filled them with.

  • samthingz #38 3 years ago

    I don't trust eurogamer, so many other websites clearly say some games have better graphics on ps3 such as force unleashes and midnight club, and bioshock they say are exactly the same, but for some reason eurogamer allways praises the 360, has anyone read the head to head articles on ign? i think there much better, and i own both 360 and ps3 so i ain't no fanboy!
    Edited by 1 at 04/11/08 @ 14:46

  • siro #39 3 years ago

    I really start becoming a fanboy here... Those BioShock screenshots are shocking. How can it possibly be, that the PS3 version is so much worse...

  • Calgon #40 3 years ago

    I agree some people should just not read them:

    "Maybe this time" *reads* "Nooooooooooooooo... not again!!!"

  • StooMonster #41 3 years ago

    23 posts to get to "lazy developers"

  • muzzer77 #42 3 years ago

    I agree with the guy above, i have noticed next to no slowdown on deadspace all the way through and as for Biosshock i completed it without it freezing once. Your trying to tell me that no one 360 froze or broke down whilst someone was playing Bioshock. The evidence is there for both consoles as long as it is dug up on equal terms.

  • Razz #43 3 years ago

    /sharpens Bath'Leth

  • Calgon #44 3 years ago

    LOL did someone suggest comparing exclusives? Different assests, different devs, different time scales... and this would be helpfull how? Thered be no way to pick a "winner" and I think it would be all too much if EG took away PS3s fanboys only fallback excuse from underneath them.

  • Yossarian #45 3 years ago

    The GAF thread about PS3 Bioshock was full of complaints, so I believe EG on this.

  • crwoody #46 3 years ago

    @ Razz,

    Chuck a beer to the back row please mate ;)

  • muzzer77 #47 3 years ago

    PS3 ports = Inconsistent eurogamer reviews = Inconsistent. See, everyone is guilty.

  • GamerG #48 3 years ago

    EG should have put Fallout 3 on there, the differences are starker than ever, the PS3 version looks shit compared to Xbox 360.

  • Buztafen #49 3 years ago

    Not to be jumping on a wagon that has a band on it or anything ....but i sometimes wonder why i bought a PS3.....i mean other than to alleviate the damage that the 360 is doing to ears (and my life since Fable came out).

    Though there is Pixeljunk Monsters! £300 to play £3.50 game.....hmmm

  • stepneg #50 3 years ago

    Over priced, over hyped and not as good as the cheaper competition, this is living, LOL

  • Thunderbolt #51 3 years ago

    I've got the marshmallows

  • GamerG #52 3 years ago

    @ Butzfen,

    Id ebay your PS3 and buy a 120gig harddrive with the new update you can install games on the hard drive meaning no noisy DVD drive during game play.

    You'd lose out on Pixel Junk mosters but have spare cash to buy more 360 games.

  • justMe #53 3 years ago

    My Wii pisses over the PS3/X360 from great heights.

  • WiseNail #54 3 years ago

    Once again the 360 trumps the PS3, which is why my PS3 is there for first party stuff only. I expect the 360 to win on Fallout 3 in round 16, if the review by Gamespot is anything to go by (and this is just from a technical sense let alone exclusive dlc).

    I'm still glad I've got my PS3 though, as it has a number of games that I enjoy playing. I just wish I could say the same for my Wii...
    Edited by 1 at 04/11/08 @ 14:58

  • menage #55 3 years ago

    @Buzzafen

    I'm, wondering that myself at the moment, the n I think of LBP and all is well, also, I have to have something to do when my 360 dies again someday. Sure I can take a walk or something, but hey, I already bought it now.

    @GamerG

    There's going to be hell to pay for that one. It really is a piece of shit on PS3.

  • Buztafen #56 3 years ago

    @ GamerG - Its so shiny.....dunno if i can part with it. Im gonna have to resign myself to the fact that i bought it for GTA.......er.. Final F.....i mean Tekke.......er..........God of War! Thats the badger! Knew there was a reason :)

  • Bartacus #57 3 years ago

    I am waiting on the delivery of my PS3 & Midnight Club LA today, I have a 360 already, why didn't I wait for this article 1st.

    I have laughed at every EG Face off where the 360 trounces the PS3, now I'm invested in the PS3 it's not so funny.

    LBP had better be worth it otherwise this could be Sega Saturn take 2, for me the similarities are obvious.

    If Resistance 2 reviews poorly i'll be sending the PS3 back.

  • Cappy #58 3 years ago

    The Bioshock demo was the worst looking PS3 game I'd played, so I can well believe the results of this Face Off. The frame rate was inexplicably dreadful too.

  • Widge #59 3 years ago

    lol
    someone just LOVES the face offs

    http://ga mers.eurogamer.net/user_profile...

  • Dizzy #60 3 years ago

    "I don't trust eurogamer, so many other websites clearly say some games have better graphics on ps3"

    BTW these comparison articles are done by Beyond3D people ;)

  • muscleblade #61 3 years ago

    "EG should have put Fallout 3 on there, the differences are starker than ever, the PS3 version looks shit compared to Xbox 360"

    Thats very true.

  • VandelayIndustries #62 3 years ago

    @ Gamer G - "EG should have put Fallout 3 on there, the differences are starker than ever, the PS3 version looks shit compared to Xbox 360."

    It must be pretty bad then, because the 360 version I'm playing at the moment is jerking and stuttering pretty badly.

  • spudsbuckley #63 3 years ago

    I own both systems and i always buy multiformat stuff on PS3 because it's region free (cheaper games), it's not noisy as fuck and it doesn't break.

    I'm saving my 360 for exclusives like Fable 2 and GoW 2. Other than that it doesn't get any use at all. It'll probably RRoD the second i put in the copy of Fable 2 that arrived this morning from Play.com :(

    That makes the PS3 win any face-off right off the bat for me.

  • Buztafen #64 3 years ago

    Crappy - must hole heartedly agreed with you on that it was shocking (NPI) after playing the game for over a year on 360 it was literally like a playing a port on the PS2.....bad bad bad...

  • muscleblade #65 3 years ago

    @Dizzy wrote: I don't trust eurogamer, so many other websites clearly say some games have better graphics on ps3

    Bullshit. Please give us some links to those websites.



  • PearOfAnguish #66 3 years ago

    "Reading what EG say about the PS3 version here, and remembering the score they gave it in the review...Actually quite funny really."

    Different writers, different opinions.

    I'll give you a few minutes to get your head around this mind-blowing concept.

  • muscleblade #67 3 years ago

    @spudsbuckley

    But you dont own a 360. If you do whats your gamertag?

  • StooMonster #68 3 years ago

    LOL did someone suggest comparing exclusives? Different assests, different devs, different time scales... and this would be helpfull how?

    I am simply interested to know, do articles on a games website have to "help" anything? Except get page hits for adverts served? ;)

    I didn't say face-off against each other, I like empirical analysis and what to know what is the pixel and temporal resolution of LBP or MGS or Fable 2 or other exclusives are, and if they have screen tear, etc.

    ...and this would be harmful how?

  • GamerG #69 3 years ago

    @ VandelayIndustries

    Sounds like you have something wrong with your 360 or disc, no problems for me

  • Thunderbolt #70 3 years ago

    Looks like its going to be a long night for SDF wahbulance!

  • #71 3 years ago

    and im sure the xbox 360 version of Fallout looks shit compared to a PC, eh GamerG.

  • spudsbuckley #72 3 years ago

    @muscleblade

    JoeyJJ is my Gamertag. Haven't been on Live in months though because i haven't had my 360 set up at all. The PS3 is currently occupying the spot under my TV :D

  • Gargant #73 3 years ago

    ps3 is more powerful, but the developing tools are horrible.

    so a nod in the general area of x360, except for the fact that eurogamer must have a superduper upgraded special edition of the 360 for the games not to skip and stutter.

  • gilroyneil #74 3 years ago

    PS3 is shit. Confirmed!

  • miiiguel #75 3 years ago

    360 users have the best multi-plat version of games. PS3 users have the "idea" that the machine is oh so much more powerfull. The world is balanced.

  • wewillselfdestruct #76 3 years ago

    "Bioshock and Dead Space were pretty crushing reads for PS3 owners."

    Actually, having played both games on PS3 I can honestly say that I don't give a toss about the disparities highlighted by this article (those that I could actually notice when playing the games anyway, because let's face it the technical nature of these comparisons are somewhat nit-picky). Both are great games that I enjoyed immeasurably. Yet having read the Bioshock and Dead Space comparisons, I'm surprised my eyes didn't erupt jets of blood at the screen while I tried to decipher what was going on.

  • Dizzy #77 3 years ago

    "Bullshit. Please give us some links to those websites. "

    Err.. that wasn't me dude.

    "ps3 is more powerful, but the developing tools are horrible. "

    That makes is actually less powerful.

  • Calgon #78 3 years ago

    lol When are Sonybots finally going to accept that 360 is MORE than a match for PS3 and will continue to be so...

    Hard to develop for maybe but theres been so much time and money poured into PS3 development up to this day(longer dev cycles ect) that its increasingly looking like an empty arguement... sooner or later they will have to give that one up(should have already done it, its just getting stupid now), or lose what credability they have left(Sony fanboys talk the most crap ever = FACT ;) ).

  • VandelayIndustries #79 3 years ago

    @ Gamer G

    This "jerking and stuttering" I was on about was also evident in both console versions of Oblivion too (less so on the PS3). I'm putting this down to Bethesda.

    Still, there's no need for them to treat the PS3 users like the proverbial 'red headed step child'. Really about time the developers pulled their collective fingers out and put the work in, if Sony first parties can do decent work, so can the third parties.

  • menage #80 3 years ago

    @DaemonD

    I can't really get a PC which can run Fallout 3 for 150 euro's now can I.

  • Apologie #81 3 years ago

    lOL STILL MAKING THIS STUPID ASS ARTCLES... gasoline for the fantarded, who gives a shit about some minor textures, or a little bit of blurry in a certain place??? get a life assholes

  • BadBoyBonner #82 3 years ago

    Framerate shoots up way over 30 fps on Xbox Bioshock with v-sync disabled (not much tearing either).

    Lighting looks to be all but missing on PS3 version of Midnight Club - seems they took more of the DNA from the ps3 Need For Speed than they should have lol

    The lack of antialiasing and effects from the Spiderman game makes it look last gen.

    Funny that everyone on the PS3 waxing lyrical about Oblivion being better on PS3 (and it not being due to being released over a year later but the machine's superiority) - is now nowhere to be seen where Fallout 3 is concerened.

    But the fact remains - true gamers do not care what system the best games are on - they'll buy all the systems - but those with them all do like to know which is the best version, or even if they are the same - then the price will dictate which machine to purchase it for.

  • samaran #83 3 years ago

    i've been playing dead space on PS3 and it is clearly the superior version due to a better-looking downloadable suit.

    and i've not noticed any framerate drops! game looks hot to me.

    though wow, that spiderman video is pretty amazing.

  • seasidebaz #84 3 years ago

    seasidebaz > b-side saz

  • Darren #85 3 years ago

    Another nicely written informative article that confirms that the 360 is still the platform to buy multiformat games for but also that the PS3 versions of those games that matter are at least improving to the point where stuff like Pure and Dead Space are very similar on both consoles. That's good news really. These face-offs are also interesting... didn't know that Midnight Club: LA ran at 960x720 on the PS3 for example. Yeah, I'm a geek but I find technical stuff about games fascinating! :D

  • BartonFink #86 3 years ago

    PS3 hammered by the technically superior 360 once more. What's that now 15-0

  • Aloominum_man #87 3 years ago

    If the boot was on the other foot, Apologie, I'm willing to bet that you would. You are irony.

  • ChromeMud #88 3 years ago

    Let me just say that I have both a PS3 and 360 and they both give me some great entertainment.
    The 360 has it's faults but then some things are lovable despite their faults.
    The PS3 play's my Blu-Rays and I wouldn't be without it but as for games it gets 2nd place.
    I was hoping that because of the CELL chip, the frame rates would be better than 360's with slightly less sheen with the graphics because it's graphics chipset being less advanced than the 360's.As it's been proven over and over again,seems like the 360's triple core and graphics chipset is a better system for most developers for both framerate and graphics.
    In the end I have resorted to playing only PS3 exclusives like WipeoutHD,LBP and Blu-Ray films on that system which is good but not in the same league as the 360 for the majority of gaming goodness.
    All in all I'm happy with both systems but if the 360 had come with a Blu-Ray player,I'd only have one system this gen and that would be the 360.

  • The_Surreal #89 3 years ago

    Well, it looks like developers are deffinetly getting to grips with the PS3's capabilities. All the most recent comparisions are pretty much exactly the same!!! (apart from MCLA being a little darker on the 360)

  • The_Surreal #90 3 years ago

    lol @Apologie

    Yeah the Fanboys love to jump on this shit and fabricate differences that are only in their imagination.

  • Darren #91 3 years ago

    BadBoyBonner - Oblivion doesn't look better on the PS3 though... at least I don't think it does... not unless you think a lower overall framerate and a complete lack of anti-aliasing constitutes "improved visuals"! The PS3 version has quicker loading times and a higher rendering resolution than the 360 version (720p vs. 600p), that's all, but the latter advantage is completely squandered as the absence of AA makes the game actually look jaggier! Both games are terrific and the visual differences are only minimal anyway IMO.

  • Krelle #92 3 years ago

    This, for a change, is a great Face-Off. Games that people actually care about. But what id really want is those kind of face-off's on release-day. It would be great to know which version of Dead Space if the superior one before i pick it up.

  • Buztafen #93 3 years ago

    TEH CELLLLL!!!L!LL!!!!

  • Apologie #94 3 years ago

    BioShock
    Dead Space
    Pure
    Midnight Club: Los Angeles
    Spider-Man: Web of Shadows
    Star Wars: The Force Unleashed

    who gives a shit about multiplatform games like spider-man, Star Wars: ForceU etc... they´r not good games so why bother, the good ones like GTAV, COD4, Assassins Creed etc... are just the same in terms of performance and graphical quality for both systems.

    one more thing, the best platform to play Xbox goodness is the Pc... Mass Effect, BioshOk, Gears of War etc... all thouse games run better, at HIGHER RESOLUTION, better graphical quality, better frame rate, ADITIONAL CONTENT etc... the same for multiplatform titles like Assassins Creed etc...

    X360 is a great console, Ps3 too... and no one chooses to buy one of thouse systems because of some minor textures an blur differences in multiplatform titles, they buy them for the exclusive content nothing more, and in that chapter, Ps3 is thes most intresting system for me....
    Edited by 1 at 04/11/08 @ 15:46

  • Garulon #95 3 years ago

    "all thouse games run better, at HIGHER RESOLUTION, better graphical quality, better frame rate, ADITIONAL CONTENT etc... "

    Not on my cheapo laptop they don't. Perhaps you can point me to a PC I can buy for £130 that runs BioShock at ~HD resolution? Or at all?

  • Darren #96 3 years ago

    +1 to ChromeMud's post which echoes my own feeling about both consoles. :)

  • MilkYMoO #97 3 years ago

    15-0 then to the 360. Okay but I'm enjoying my ps3 aswell.

  • aidey6 #98 3 years ago

    So basically two years on, the 360 is still easier for developers to get to grips with or simply a better console....

  • Garulon #99 3 years ago

    "when i've got the games running my system doesn't sound like a jet engine and that it won't die on me when playing for long periods.

    I've been through 4 360's, the last of which was sold and i've never looked back. "

    I've been through over two hundred, and it's so noisy my hair has melted. Still pisses all over the PS3 though.

  • Dizzy #100 3 years ago

    "I've been through over two hundred, and it's so noisy my hair has melted. Still pisses all over the PS3 though. "

    ROFL

  • Darren #101 3 years ago

    @Krelle - Yeah, it would be nice to know which version was the best *before* the game's official release but, let's face it, in 99.99% of cases, at best the PS3 version is as good as the 360 one, they're rarely better, so it's a safe bet to opt for the 360 version if you have the choice. I just buy the odd multiformat game for my PS3 (e.g. Devil May Cry 4 and Burnout Paradise) and I'm otherwise content with playing the PS3's exclusives, few as they are. It's enough for me anyway. The PS3 is a great console overall IMO, it's just lagging a bit behind the Xbox 360 in terms of games that's all but then Microsoft's console had a year's head start.

  • menage #102 3 years ago

    @apologie

    Not Fallout 3 though.

    And a PC won't play Gears 2 or Fable for that matter.

  • spudsbuckley #103 3 years ago

    The better console is the PS3 because it doesn't break. Even the Wii beats the 360 in that respect.

    It's nice that all these games run better on the 360 but it a crashy, noisy, RRoding piece of crap. Playing through Oblivion on the 360 was a nightmare for me with it crashing every hour or so on loading and a couple of times on saving which killed my save file twice (i learned to use seperate slots fairly quickly after that :D). Same thing with Crackdown but not as often. 2 of the 3 360's we had in the house have RRoDed and an Elite bought to replace one of them is starting to do it now.

    Neither my PS3, Wii, DS or PSP has EVER crashed. Not once. Between them all.

    That's why the 360 is not the best console at the moment. It's good, the exclusives are fantastic but it's incredibly poorly made.
    Edited by 1 at 04/11/08 @ 16:08

  • crummyname #104 3 years ago

    good god, the difference in quality between the 2 for Bioshock on the video is shocking

  • Michael1406 #105 3 years ago

    I don't know why I continue to read these to be honest. It's always the same thing - the smallest differences blown out of proportion. Dead Space plays absolutely fine for me and many other people. What EG SHOULD be saying is that whilst differences may be noticeable when examined as closely as the people making the comparisons do, you are hardly likely to notice any difference between the versions. These come across as biassed to me.

    Not taking these as gospel (just as exaggerated guideline to ports/versions that really are messed up), I'm still glad I own a PS3 over a 360. About £200 happier in fact.

    I also question some of the people posting comments' motives (Calgon on the 51-100 page for example - he's a bit too devoted to be just a regular gamer).
    Edited by 2 at 04/11/08 @ 16:11

  • Apologie #106 3 years ago

    with 600 Euros i can buy a Pc "that do lots of things besides gaming", a PC able to play Bioshok, Gears of War, Fallout 3, Assassins Creed, UT3 etc way better then a X360, i'm not dissing the Xbox, just saying that your wrong, Pc's are the best value for your buck, not to mention that the multiplayer is for free, mods, cheaper games etc...

    you go out and buy a Xbox360 (the cheapest sku, withought hard drive), then buy live subscription, HDMI cable, hard drive and 3-4 games, do your maths and see it for yourself, how much that shit cost???

  • stepneg #107 3 years ago

    @Apologie

    "with 600 Euros i can buy a Pc "that do lots of things besides gaming", a PC able to play Bioshok, Gears of War, Fallout 3, Assassins Creed, UT3 etc way better then a X360, i'm not dissing the Xbox, just saying that your wrong, Pc's are the best value for your buck, not to mention that the multiplayer is for free, mods, cheaper games etc.."

    LOL, where does that leave the PS3 then given it's double the price of a 360 and not as good, by your logic the PS3 is the worst of the lot. I was thinking of picking up a PS3 to go with my 360 for blurays and the odd exclusive although you have just talked me out of it, PC upgrade for me.
    Edited by 1 at 04/11/08 @ 16:16

  • menage #108 3 years ago

    Sigh

    At least I get a fucking component cable with my 360, I had to fork over another 30 for a HDMi with my 500 buck PS3. Then also you'll still need games and a better controller.

    PC's are obviously godlike. Shame I'm at one all day and I can't be assed to get at another desk when I'm trying to relax. And they take too much of my fucking time to configure properly. Let alone the money needed to keep it up to speed. No thanks.

  • Masarin #109 3 years ago

    I find the silly music in the videos ruining the Face-Off completely so in 'The Readers vs Eurogamer Face-Off' the clear winners are the Readers.

  • TheNinkyNonk #110 3 years ago

    So, what happened to giving PS3 devs another year to get the most out of the platform?

    Honestly, I'm glad I sold my PS3 or it would be gathering almost as much dust as my Wii did.

    Shame as it's a much better built, feature-rich and more stylish machine than the 360. It looked very nice under my TV.

    Doing nothing.



  • Darren #111 3 years ago

    One thing that puzzles me about Dead Space (excellent game by the way) is that given that the Xbox 360 can do 2X anti-aliasing pretty much at little performance cost, why doesn't that game use any AA? Is it because the developers wanted the PS3 and 360 versions to look the same and knew that AA wouldn't be possible on the PS3?

  • PrivateJoker #112 3 years ago

    I shit Xbox360's out every morning and they're broke by lunch. Dodgy peice of hardware with poor reliability performance.

    I've never read so much biased journalism anywhere else other than eurogamer. Is it run by 12 yr olds or what?

    With all the great games out at the moment how is anyone finding the time to write all this shit on here and for the record...

    I have finished Bioshock on Xbox and PS3 and there isn't a difference between the two except PS3 loads quicker is all. If there is a nerdy, speccy detail with texture this and blah blah that, fuck off and play the damn game and you won't notice any difference for sure. That's just nit-picking of the obsessive compulsive type. it's negilible, it's meh.

    This comparison bullshit gets worst by the day and i only came on here looking for a LBP user level name. Back to the greatest game this century so far (imo).

  • Garulon #113 3 years ago

    "So, what happened to giving PS3 devs another year to get the most out of the platform? "

    Well yeah, it's high time Apologie, Vic etc. grew a sack and admitted they were utterly taken in by Sony's E3 crazy lies, the machines are at worse equal power with the nod going to the 360.

  • GamesConnoisseur #114 3 years ago

    Darren: One thing that puzzles me about Dead Space (excellent game by the way) is that given that the Xbox 360 can do 2X anti-aliasing pretty much at little performance cost, why doesn't that game use any AA? Is it because the developers wanted the PS3 and 360 versions to look the same and knew that AA wouldn't be possible on the PS3?

    I think so yes, I traded in X360's Dead Space cos my achievement points were locked up due to my leaving the gamerprofile on memory card since the 'removing-HDD-to-play-BioShock' trick to prevent horrible shudders last year before they patched X360 version. The memory card was full and achievement points accidently got locked up and cannot re-unlock!

    So instead I got PS3's Dead Space and get shiny trophies for my gaming effort. Completed the game, not too much evidence of tearings but it was pretty obvious to me that X360 version shines more on my 1080p Panny HDTV than PS3.

    Those who said X360 is unreliable and RROD is correct but please dont overstate the issue! In my experience I have played so many hours on X360 and got 40k on my Gamerscore and only RROD once in those gaming years! Still worth the pain of getting its to repair and quite willing to invest in jasper revised hardware X360 and the new install games onto HDD in 2 weeks would prevent disk spinning. As cannot imagine I would be missing out on the excellent gaming pleasure I got from X360.

    PS3 is still a great console and damn good one for BD and exclusives, just simply been overpromised by Sony.

  • DjFlex52 #115 3 years ago

    And people ask my why I just sold my PS3. Gee would it have anything to do with the fact that I played both versions of Mirror's Edge and found that the PS3 version is a jaggy piece of shit despite it being the lead platform?

    @evilfoxhound

    wow, I wondered why your comments this month didn't have the usual PS3 gung-ho slant to them :)
    And I finally bought a PS3 but it's not getting much use with the barrage of great 360 games the last 30 days.

  • migasUK #116 3 years ago

    So, PS3 is losing ground everyday?! Feel sorry for who owns one... Spending lots of money for a not decent console = FLOP!

  • spudsbuckley #117 3 years ago

    ...the barrage of great 360 games the last 30 days.

    Fable 2 and .........

    Everything else is available on PS3 as well as 360 0_o

  • MattyD #118 3 years ago

    If anyone was wondering why PS3 games all use Vasaline-O-Vision (I know you all can't wait to find out), it's because the PS3 doesn't have antialiasing abilities even close to those of the 360 hardware. I can't remember exactly but I think it may not even have *any* hardware AA support. Most developers use the blur filter (which is hardware based and as such comes 'free' for performance purposes) to soften the whole image rather than implement proper AA, which is very resource intensive. They used to do exactly the same trick on PS2 games, which is why many early games abused the blurring / motion trail effect you see on the dashboard (play GTAIII and you'll see what I mean). So, now you know!

  • GamerG #119 3 years ago

    Lol @ at all the Sony fanboys moaning about unreliable 360's when they dont even have one!!

    Guess what reliability has been sorted out on new models and old ones are all repaired for free in not much more than a week!

    I'd put up for that to have accsess to all the 360 exclusives and the better version of all multiplatform titles!!!

    Plus onb accsess you have Xbox Live, which is far superior to PSN and is never touched on my EG in their comparisons..why???

  • Monkey_Puncher #120 3 years ago

    2008 is without doubt the year of the Playstation 3....*runs*

  • spudsbuckley #121 3 years ago

    Yes but we all know which versions are better ;) Don't let what console you own make you blind

    I own all the current gen consoles, including hand-helds.

    I rank them: PS3, 360, Wii, DS, PSP.

    The 360 versions of stuff are probably better but they're also more expensive than the PS3 versions and the console is unreliable, even the newer versions.

    The 360 exclusives are probably better though but i tend to play more multiformat stuff lately.

  • StrayBezza #122 3 years ago

    Sorry but I own both consoles and Eurogamer you are making yourselves look stupid. This article (and I do find comparisons valuable) are so gleefully anti PS3 its a piss take. To most gamers the differences are minute and insignificant yet you 'big up' the 360 versions at any opportunity. Seems like, for a lot of PS3 games you pick holes and faults in, actual gamers who have had the experiences with said titles have no issues (bar one or two games). The previous Face-Offs you have compiled have been quite good but this one smacks of overt fanboy overtones. This may be utterly unfounded and far from the truth but it does not read that way........

  • themorganator #123 3 years ago

    @StrayBezza

    Thats because you're letting your inner fanboy cloud independent results.

  • mainaman #124 3 years ago

    Xbox360 trounces PS3 at multiformat games,what a surprise!

    Don't blame the developers,it's not laziness and incompetence,but the fact that to get even graphical fidelity and performance from both systems when developing a multiformat game you have to design it from the ground for both.Due to the different hardware archytecture and the more ''complicated'' PS3 developing,it makes no financial sense to design a game TWICE-the game engine would have to be heavily optimized or even modified for both game systems and this would cost more time and money than designing it on the easier to develop and PC-friendly 360 and then porting it to the PS3 with minor optimization.


    Even if the developer goes to these lengths and otimise the game for both game systems the game still wouldn't look the same,because each console has specific archytecture and advantages.For example,the 360 version would have 2AA and run faster,the PS3 no AA,but would get better animations and A.I. and could use the Blu-Ray disc for stuff not possible on the 360's DVD.

    Hence,most multiformats get done on 360 first or are programmed for both,but don't go to the lengths required to get the most of the PS3.

    The PS3 does have some great looking and interesting exclusives,it's less noisy,more reliable,more versatile,plays Blu-Ray movies.And some PS3 games have uncompressed PCM sound(need HDMI receiver),while 360 make do with lossy 640 kb Dolby Digital.So i consider both systems equally essential.

    However if i wasn't watching Blu-Ray movies and wasn't into Metal Gear,PS3 would be useless for me.Unless GT5 gets released before 2010!
    Edited by 1 at 04/11/08 @ 17:59

  • Feanor #125 3 years ago

    Good article. I had thought from what I'd read elsewhere that Bioshock looked just as good on the PS3 as it does on the 360.

    I'm a bit of a Sony fan at heart going back to 1996, but the fact is that the PS3 should have been more powerful given that it was released a whole year after the 360 was and for a higher price.

    PS3 is the Gamecube of this generation

    It's the PS2 of this generation when it comes to multi-platform titles, except it was released 12 months after not 18 months before. Games like Spiderman 2 looked a lot better on the Xbox than they did on the PS2.
    Edited by 1 at 04/11/08 @ 18:01

  • Arwin #126 3 years ago

    As always, intresting stuff and thanks.

    This time, I agree with just about everything in here, except Pure. While technically an impressive bit of work and many kudos for its multi-platform prowess, Motorstorm 2 owns it bigtime! ;)
    Edited by 1 at 04/11/08 @ 18:00

  • DjFlex52 #127 3 years ago

    Everything else is available on PS3 as well as 360 0_o

    @spudsbuckley

    sensitive PS3 fanboy, aye?
    evilfoxhound switches sides but here's spudsbuckley to take his place ;)
    I wasn't implying there are no great games on PS3.
    But since I'm much more comfortable with the 360 controller and multi platform games are generally better on the 360....Fallout 3, Far Cry 2, Dead Space, Saints' Row 2 were 360 buys for me :)
    I'm also playing Castle Crashers and Penny Arcade 2 on XBLA....games overload o_0

  • StrayBezza #128 3 years ago

    themorganator

    Umm....No.

    Yes I had a PS1, PS2 from launch but I traded my PS2 and games for an original Xbox, then got a 360 on launch - along with a Live membership since it became available. I have now got both (sold the Wii) and I love the 360. Unless my eyes deceive me where are the massive differences in these sample videos? Ok there is slightly more clarity in the 360 Bioshock version but Dead Space and Midnight Club?? I really can't see how these would impact gameplay or be noticeable when playing - Wasn't Oblivion meant to be better on PS3? For the record I can't see it!! But maybe thats my inner Xbot speaking...........

  • spudsbuckley #129 3 years ago

    sensitive PS3 fanboy, aye?

    I have all three systems, as i've mentioned before o_o

  • Sneerk #130 3 years ago

    /decides to forget intire article

    /hugs ps3

    Now do fallout 3 please!

  • samaran #131 3 years ago

    oblivion is heartbreakingly shit on both platforms but the PS3 one is pretty clearly superior. textures don't look like pea soup from 10 metres away, at least.

  • DjFlex52 #132 3 years ago

    I have all three systems, as i've mentioned before o_o

    @spudsbuckley

    Hmmm....ye olde PS3 fanboy cop-out "I own all 3"
    That doesn't mean a thing unless I see you staunchly defend your 360 or Wii, like you do your PS3, which will happen when hell freezes over.

    Wait, so you blew £300 notes on a system you dont play? Are you stupid or something.

    @Zero_Cool

    Answer: No, but you are! I also have games, movies and music that I have bought and are still sealed that I will eventually play. Next you'll say I have to use them when YOU tell me to.

  • spudsbuckley #133 3 years ago

    Hmmm....ye olde PS3 fanboy cop-out "I own all 3"
    That doesn't mean a thing unless I see you staunchly defend your 360 or Wii, like you do your PS3, which will happen when hell freezes over.

    That's one of the most retarded things i've ever read on this website.

    I'm a PS3 fanboy until i say i prefer the 360/Wii?

    At that point you'll call me a 360/Wii fanboy (although i reckon if i came out defending the 360 you wouldn't have a problem with that).

    I've already said the 360 has the best exclusives and i barely use my Wii so i'm not going to attempt to defend it.

  • byron_hinson #134 3 years ago

    My only critique I have here of this article each week is i'd like to see sound compared too - mostly due to a title like Dead Space which had better audio for me on the PS3 and with a game like that it makes all the difference.

  • DjFlex52 #135 3 years ago

    That's one of the most retarded things i've ever read on this website.

    I'm a PS3 fanboy until i say i prefer the 360/Wii?

    At that point you'll call me a 360/Wii fanboy (although i reckon if i came out defending the 360 you wouldn't have a problem with that).

    @spudsbuckley

    As usual, when you discuss games with fanboys like you everything gets clouded by your bias. Impartiality is the word of the day....look it up.
    Nobody mentioned preference. I mentioned your defensive attitude, which is how you responded, when all I said was that 360 had great games this month. There were no ill words of the PS3 in my comments but you were still offended. With you around, noone can even say the 360 has great games.
    I'm glad you said "if I came out defending the 360...." because we all know you wont ;)

  • Syrette #136 3 years ago

    Fuck all you fanboys.

    Especially the SDF. You bunch of sillies.

  • Calgon #137 3 years ago

    LOL @Michael1406 *quickly checks his account history to confirm suspicions* SOCK on isle 3... repeat, SOCK on isle 3.

  • spudsbuckley #138 3 years ago

    With you around, noone can even say the 360 has great games.

    They already have. It was me. Multiple times.

    Also i'm not saying that the 360 doesn't have the better versions of multiformat stuff, it's just not the best console is all.

  • SteveB #139 3 years ago

    I think we can safely say that Sony’s unique approach to console architecture hasn’t worked. It’s a shame because the PS3 is a great piece of kit and as the exclusives show it’s more than capable of matching or exceeding the 360’s graphics. I hope Sony use the more traditional approach with the PS4 and deliver on their promises next time.

  • Calgon #140 3 years ago

    I dunno I think the 360 userbase is more mature, if it were the other way around, the SDF would really make a huge deal about every one of these... to be honest from what I can see, they are still the ones doing that here, to everyone else its business as usual.

    If you have the choice, as far as performance goes, 360 is the version to get; for the ones that matter though the PS3 versions are not far off and still perfectly playable... so stop crying because people are pointing these things out. Just because you dont like hearing it(if not dont read it), it shouldnt impact your enjoyment of most of these. If that were true we'd all be PC gamers, as it is 360 gamers have plenty of reasons to feel good about their purchase these days and its obvious some people cant stand that thought. :D

    I like these articles because the technology side interests me but maybe EG could be a bit more selective and chose mainly the high profile titles, that the majority of us want to hear about... maybe the SDF would calm down a bit if they were less frequent.

  • chris_ace #141 3 years ago

    Post deleted at 11:55:13 13-12-2011

  • DjFlex52 #142 3 years ago

    DjFlex52 you have shit for brains!

    @Zero_Cool

    Did that make you feel better?
    BTW, you have diarrhea for brains....ewww
    I presently have too much time on my hands that I'm still responding to SDF twins, spuds "potatohead" buckley & Zero "I know I'm not"_Cool.

  • spudsbuckley #143 3 years ago

    Little bit of slowdown on Ps3 Deadspace when it get kinda busy on screen.

    Not really a game breaker.

  • Vic #144 3 years ago

    "Bioshock and Dead Space were pretty crushing reads for PS3 owners."

    Dickhead. I have both - and they are amazing. Never even noticed 'dropped frames'. I'd hate to play Dead Space with all the backround noise the 360 makes too :).

  • Vic #145 3 years ago

    I also question some of the people posting comments' motives (Calgon on the 51-100 page for example - he's a bit too devoted to be just a regular gamer)."

    Cos he's a wanker :D.

    Seriously though, the 360 Xbots like him and Garulon are so convinced about the 360's superiority, that they need to stomp their feet and tell us in every other thread!

    Console-related insecurity anyone..?

  • TheBrow #146 3 years ago

    Waah! What about Saints Row 2? I need to know, in retrospect, if the version I have is better or worse than the other version, so that my enjoyment I currently derive from playing it can be increased or diminished accordingly...

  • rotmm #147 3 years ago

    @Vic, "Dickhead. I have both - and they are amazing. Never even noticed 'dropped frames'."

    That's because the last couple of years of PS3 gaming has taught your mind to ignore framerate ;)

  • GamerG #148 3 years ago

    @ Vic

    Clearly the console insecurity is with PS3 owners hence the rabid reaction while 360 owners meerly love baiting them which lets face it isn't hard.

    For us multi owners this thread is a dream for me, not only do I find out some useful info to aid my purchasing decision I also get to see the SDF meltdowns, maybe one day in the future it will be "The xbots" as you like to call them melting down, time will tell.

    Aslong as these artuicles get so many hits and comments they will continue to do them and I for one will be happy!

  • GamerG #149 3 years ago

    @ monsieur_flange

    No one is forcing you to read the article nor the comments, get to fuck yourself

  • gohda #150 3 years ago

    PS3lol

  • septimus #151 3 years ago

    The frame rate drops on Bioshock and Dead Space are usual EG bullshit. Not had a single one on either game in normal running around.

    Bioshock is as smooth on PS3 as it was on 360 (which at points suffers in major fights, but it is hardly a massive stutter). As to Dead Space... wtf are you on about?

    I own both and still think these are pointless. My PS3 doesn't sound like a borked hoover and also doesn't scratch disks, but that sort of stuff is never mentioned in these.
    Edited by 1 at 04/11/08 @ 20:40

  • dpb135 #152 3 years ago

    [link url=http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/gal leries/gears-of-war-2-vs-resistance-2/
    ]http://ww w.gamedaily.com/articles/galler...[/link]

    Just adding a bit more fuel ;)

    GOW 2 vs Resistance 2

    Edited by 1 at 04/11/08 @ 21:01

  • spudsbuckley #153 3 years ago

    Not multiformat so somewhat irrelevant.

    GoW2 looks better though ;)

  • TheNinkyNonk #154 3 years ago

    What is all this 'you're nothing but a fanboy' nonsense?

    PS3 was released later, at a higher price and with worse graphical performance.

    These are FACTS people.

    It's a fine piece of kit, for sure, but it's simply not as good as the cheaper, older competition when it come to running, y'know, games.

    I WANTED it to be better because, well, Sony & Playstation are such a sexy brands compared to MS & Xbox, but technology rules out I'm afraid.

    Aw FUCK..I do sound like a fanboy. Hey ho.
    Edited by 1 at 04/11/08 @ 21:36

  • Michael1406 #155 3 years ago

    Calgon: "LOL @Michael1406 *quickly checks his account history to confirm suspicions* SOCK on isle 3... repeat, SOCK on isle 3. "
    Calgon: "I think the 360 userbase is more mature"

    You didn't really help prove your point by judging me based on my lack of posts here, did you?

    However:

    "If you have the choice, as far as performance goes, 360 is the version to get; for the ones that matter though the PS3 versions are not far off and still perfectly playable."

    I completely agree with that. People spend more time arguing over products than actually buying and playing them it seems. I don't usually bother entering into these fanboy war zones as I'm above all of that "my console rocks, urs sucks ur a fag" crap, but I feel that EG have overstated the differences between PS3 and 360 versions of Dead Space. They are pretty much the same, so they should have said "the experience will be the same regardless". When playing Dead Space, I thought that the 360 version can only either be equal or worse, as the worst it got for me was minor slowdown when there was a lot going on.

    As for Bioshock: side by side the differences between the blurred PS3 and the 360 show the difference, but when I was playing the demo I didn't think "this is blurry I don't like it". I've got the demo running now, and I have to stop still and look at every texture to really notice any blur effect - it's a great looking game. And let's face it - if you have a 360 and Bioshock you'll only buy the PS3 version for reasons known to you. And if you are a graphics whore shouldn't you be on a PC anyway?

    For something like Spiderman where they clearly fucked up when making the PS3 version, that's when they should be saying "steer clear of this one if you want to decide between them".

    To be honest it makes more sense to go for 360 versions a lot of the time anyway as they are cheaper due to the games being on DVD instead of Blu-Ray. That includes Bioshock, unless you want the DLC for the PS3 version.

  • ochinembiri #156 3 years ago

    I own an xbox 360 which I play and enjoy a lot. I was always under the impression that the PS£ has a lot of potential which would be showing by now, 18 months after its release there is still no sign of cross platform game developers showing the superiority of the PS£. I would never swap my 360 for a PS£ because I prefer the controller, however I must confess that as a gadget the PS£ is impressive but for gaming I think these articles are spot on. People go on about how loud the xbox is, when I am playing games I have the volume at the normal volume as when watching movies and I have never felt my game experience dampened by the sound of the xbox. I read these face off articles and keep expecting that one day the tables will inevitably turn but that day never seems to be coming, is it that these articles are really biased towards the xbox or the PS£'s power can not be used as easily as the 360.

  • spudsbuckley #157 3 years ago

    To be honest it makes more sense to go for 360 versions a lot of the time anyway as they are cheaper due to the games being on DVD instead of Blu-Ray

    You'd think that but i've never paid over €40 for a PS3 game whereas the cheapest 360 game i've bought was €50.

    Region free gaming FTUW \o/

  • Diomedes #158 3 years ago

    Your fanboy and fanatic comments on this section have long survived their welcome .

  • Diomedes #159 3 years ago

    Its annoying to have games as Bioshock and Dead Space on the PS3 performing perfectly just to come here to see some fanatic like Richard Leadbetter explaining how the experience is so bad he could barely play it.

    Search an honest job guy ,and stop doing this crap .

  • Michael1406 #160 3 years ago

    @spudsbuckley: Really? That sucks, most places I look (UK, shouldn't make a difference though!) 360 games are cheaper. It's weird that they aren't.

    @TheNinkyNonk: It hasn't really gone in Sony's favour in round 2, has it? Still, it's doing okay despite the odds.

  • spudsbuckley #161 3 years ago

    @spudsbuckley: Really? That sucks, most places I look (UK, shouldn't make a difference though!) 360 games are cheaper. It's weird that they aren't.

    I get all my PS3 games from dvdboxoffice.com. They're a Canadian website but the PS3 is completely region free so it doesn't matter. Just means cheaper games and Blu-Rays sometimes sooner than they come out over here :)

    The majority of 360 games aren't region free (at least the ones i want) so it means i have to get them from play.com for about 50 quid :(

  • Michael1406 #162 3 years ago

    You should try shopto.net then, don't often see many games over £40. I never pay more than £40 for a game now.

  • ochinembiri #163 3 years ago

    game, gamestation, hmv, tesco, argos, toysrus, blockbusters, argos all these sell games for £39.99 and less (360 that is)

  • HardCoreGamer999 #164 3 years ago

    Eurogamer seems to only persistent gamesite doing these comparaisons.
    is this wise ?
    proving the point that ps3 is more difficult to develop on and still has a long way to go ?
    proving that Sony made much marketinghype about the ps3 graphic dominance over 360 ?
    So far as we count today ..."2 years already" even 1st party developers are proving us gamers that sony has been lieing until now
    Edited by 1 at 04/11/08 @ 22:18

  • spudsbuckley #165 3 years ago

    I'm talking in €'s unfortunately :(

  • Michael1406 #166 3 years ago

    I think Sony may have learned their lesson though - they needed a kick up the arse as MS are a force in the console industry now.

    I think EG should just do cross-platform reviews within the reviews themselves - don't make a big song a dance to war-bait (although conflict is good business-wise, that's not what we want).

  • Calgon #167 3 years ago

    @Michael1406
    You didn't really help prove your point by judging me based on my lack of posts here, did you?

    You have created an account for this article... plus you sound just like wingzerosys(please anyone paying attention confirm that he's uncannily similar in attitude and suggesting EG is making it all up) from the last article, even if thats a co-incidence you are still likely a sock, very bitter attitude eminating from you... although Vic is making you look pretty darn chilled out which is funny(slowly becoming the definition as a "frothing fanboy", seriously he's nearing early Apolol levels of comedy gold... infact looking at this thread Vic is now worse than Apologie who seems to have relaxed a bit).

    Fanboys like Vic embaressed themselves in the early days because they put too much faith in the hype they were being fed, they are now left in denial struggling to eat their words so often... instead of being bitter about what you thought the PS3 was going be(superior to the 360 which its not) why not just enjoy what it turned out to be, good media player and not a bad console.

  • Calgon #168 3 years ago

    Also LOL@Vic suggesting its really everyone else that has console insecurity. :D

  • Law07 #169 3 years ago

    Wheres FIFA or PES?

    I think FIFA's better on the PS3, explains it...

  • absolutezero #170 3 years ago

    How about the jet-engine noise of the 360 version fucking ruins the atmosphere of Dead Space?

    WHAT ABOUT THAT RICH?

  • CHAZBIGPOTATO #171 3 years ago

    "Quincunx", what an amazing word!

    Les, Apologie, you are a couple of Quincunx.

  • Robm612 #172 3 years ago

    this Calgon guy is a real joke and clearly hasn't got a PS3, i do have a PS3 and also have a 360(and a Wii, but they are shit) and i can easily tell the PS3 is the superior console. I prefer it and usually always buy multi-platform games for it (my 360 is an "exclusives only" machine ever since this June when i bought my PS3)

    If you disagree with me please keep it to yourself as i dont give 2 shits about your opinion, my opinion is what matters to me.

    PS. XBLGC - robm612
    PSNID - xCONFUSEDBAWBAGx
    Wii Code - 132... eh Fuck that pal
    yea, proving i have both matey
    Edited by 2 at 04/11/08 @ 23:38

  • Michael1406 #173 3 years ago

    You have created an account for this article... plus you sound just like wingzerosys(please anyone paying attention confirm that he's uncannily similar in attitude and suggesting EG is making it all up) from the last article, even if thats a co-incidence you are still likely a sock, very bitter attitude eminating from you... although Vic is making you look pretty darn chilled out which is funny(slowly becoming the definition as a "frothing fanboy", seriously he's nearing early Apolol levels of comedy gold... infact looking at this thread Vic is now worse than Apologie who seems to have relaxed a bit).

    Fanboys like Vic embaressed themselves in the early days because they put too much faith in the hype they were being fed, they are now left in denial struggling to eat their words so often... instead of being bitter about what you thought the PS3 was going be(superior to the 360 which its not) why not just enjoy what it turned out to be, good media player and not a bad console.

    You sort of lost me with the usernames, but I can assure you I'm not anyone but me. I didn't make the account just for this discussion, I made it when I first started reading EG about 3-4 months back (liked the touches of humour, seemed like a different site to the rest) but I spend most of my time at different forums (or just not posting at all because I can't be arsed a lot of the time).

    I didn't say they made it all up, I'm just saying that based on my experiences (as well as watching the comparison video and actually going through the intro again on my TV. Of course the 360 has advantages graphically (GFX card, better upscaler) but to say the experience on PS3 is in any way diminished isn't true. I've just picked my console based on more than just graphics (overall cost of hardware + online cost, exclusives, XMB vs blades noise, ability to play with IRL friends). If you still think I'm anything close to a fanboy though, then I don't know what to say except maybe...troll. But I don't know well enough (at all, even) to say that and you seem to be established in the community here, so I doubt that. I dunno. Doesn't really make much difference to me at the end of the day, I'm just not sure how you've come to that conclusion.

    I'm cold when it comes to console vs console wars though, I don't see the point in getting all hyped up over them as we don't work for these companies or owe them anything. We thank them by paying for their products, it isn't necessary to go preach about said products as well. And if people do it because they are in denial then maybe they should have waited longer before buying (who knew from day one it would go how it's gone so far?) or thought more about which is better for them. I can't remember if I was like that a few years back (I've changed in these 7 years I've had the net), but if anyone buys their own shit then they should be in the same boat as me.

    EDIT
    Fuck me I type I lot.
    Edited by 1 at 04/11/08 @ 23:42

  • CHAZBIGPOTATO #174 3 years ago

    "If you disagree with me please keep it to yourself"

    What will happen if someone says they disagree with you?

    I'm not saying I do as I'm a bit scared that you might get cross and start writing bad things

  • warbo #175 3 years ago

    septimus: The frame rate drops on Bioshock and Dead Space are usual EG bullshit. Not had a single one on either game in normal running around.

    Bioshock is as smooth on PS3 as it was on 360 (which at points suffers in major fights, but it is hardly a massive stutter). As to Dead Space... wtf are you on about?

    I own both and still think these are pointless. My PS3 doesn't sound like a borked hoover and also doesn't scratch disks, but that sort of stuff is never mentioned in these.



    EG are presenting the actual technical differences between these console multi-platform titles.

    Whether or not you noticed the slightly poorer framerate and image quality in Dead Space and Bioshock is beside the point. These games are far from broken on PS3, but they do run a little better on 360.
    Edited by 1 at 05/11/08 @ 00:08

  • Law07 #176 3 years ago

    FIFA AND PES?

  • 3william56 #177 3 years ago

    I call schenanigans. Bad before, but this one jumped the shark big time. EG has become the Fox News of Fair and Balanced comparison coverage.

    "PS3 bioshock isn't a *bad* game??" The 10/10 PS3 Bioshock? O RLY? The paid for DLC that was the deciding factor in favour of the 360 GTA IV is suddenly a bad thing (despite it not being available at the time of the GTA comparison, and still not there)? And the hard disk install, which will soon be even worse for NXE users is a black mark too?

    How did the Pure comparison become a dig at (surprise surprise) PS3 Motorstorm? It's obvious that Pure is (marginally) better on the PS3, but somehow you just couldn't say it, could you? Not once. And certainly not in the aggro terms used when there's a 360 advantage.

    If you're driving NFS slow enough to see the blurred textures from the AA or upscale, you're not really doing it right are you, so "clear graphical advantage" which is only visible on freeze frame is nowhere near as important as frame drops, certainly compared with borked intros and zooms.

    And the 360 Spidey is somehow "worth a rental" (reviewing again) despite being complete and utter sh*t on both platforms.

    What we want is to know whether (like Pure, Bioshock and Dead Space) the games are good on both platforms, sh*t on both platforms (hello Spidey and the vast majority of compared games) or there is a real, game play reason to favour one over the other. This pixel counting horsesh*t is just a drag.

  • Calgon #178 3 years ago

    @Michael1406

    1) Not got a 360 yet so not defending a purchase...

    2) I do favour the 360 and thered be no need for point one(buyers remorse will be more common in the early adopters of PS3 considering the expense and the utter fools Sony made of them feeding them hype and nonsense to repeat on their trolling missions) as its easily the better choice of the 2 for me = thats me decided, I make my own informed decisions and let other people make theirs how they wish.

    3) Simply like technology and know my hardware, this gen has panned out pretty much exactly as I expected it to in that regard, because I was able to seperate the majority of the hype from both sides fairly quickly.

    4) Im not the one on the defensive here, there are WAY too many Sony fans that are getting too uptight about this, if the 360 has the slight technical edge, does that mean the PS3 is shit? Makes you wonder why they attempt to pretend to have no bias if that is how they measure a consoles worth.

    5) If you've been here long enough you'd know trolls are fairly common because EG are very leniant, I'd gladly not get into any discussions with the likes of Vic, Les, Smelly, Apologie ect because its a waste of time but seeing as 9 times out of 10 its them trolling 360 topics when they have no place there other than to bitch and moan how everyone should love Sony/Nintendo or hate MS ect... I may aswell have some fun with them and maybe actually point out how wrong/pathetic they are where possible.

    6) "I own them all but seriously everyone is wrong here and console A is way better but seriously I have no bias and Im certainly not a console A fan that happens to have other consoles too" is a cop out, everyone knows it so why try it... doesnt matter how many of them you own... the information needed is more freely available than ever before these days for one. Most importantly a Sony fanboy is a Sony fanboy, like a Mac fanboy that happens to own a PC... is it worth mentioning? Does it help strengthen their credability? No, is the answer.

    Really I dont care enough to get worked up about this unless someone is being pretentious, insulting, aggressive ect I dont expect everyone to favour the same console/brand either. You seem to favour PS3 which is fair enough, I wouldnt hold you in the same regard as Vic or any of the other fanboys though but it all depends on your idea of a fanboy... its acceptable to enjoy/favour one thing over the other but when you appear to be campaigning to "none beleivers"(people who you know damn well do not agree... for instance a competing products forum) then you start to lose a bit of credability as someone just enthusiatic about a product. I think this happens alot it's not just gamers who behave like this, people argue about alsorts and take things way too seriously where they shouldnt... to see them then use the "I just think its nice to have an intellegent debate" excuse while they are still red in the face/catching their breath/whiping off the drool is just laughable.
    Edited by 1 at 05/11/08 @ 03:15

  • ochinembiri #179 3 years ago

    I dont know why people try to imply that the 360 is more expensive than the PS£ by factoring in the wireless adaptor, hd dvd and yearly subscriptions for xbox live. Wired connection can be up to 10 times faster than wireless and its more realiable and recommended for high demans internet connections like gaming and downloading big files, so there is no need to buy a wireless adapter just for aesthetics reasons. Point being you do not need a wireles adaptor and it should not be mentioned as an essential accessory to the xbox. Then there is the subscription, there are actually about 45% of 360 owners who are not on live (10 million), their consoles are worth exactly what the paid i.e. £130 less than a PS£ and according to these reviews they are getting a better gaming experience for a lot less. £130 pounds is 4.5 years worth of xbox live, so only after that period of time can we say the xbox is more expensive. if you have ever used xbox live 10p a day or £3 a month or £36 a year is a bargain really.

  • Kryon #180 3 years ago

    Vic is the new ultimate rabid baboon of retardation, he has been given an SDF promotion and achieved the rank of 'Captain Bombardier Vicky Apolol the 2nd'. His new role involves being a total knob and being continuously ridiculed by gamers everywhere for the rest of his days..

  • Rash' #181 3 years ago

    If development trends and architectural disparities govern the technical superiority of a platform then so be it, 360 is superior.

    I look at the latest Killzone 2 trailer, however, and I laugh at the idiocy on display here.

  • Kryon #182 3 years ago

    @Rash'

    Why would people compare other games with KZ2? It's not even out till sometime next year, then again it's always the same argument from the Sony boys and girls, "You just wait, next year teh PSTRIPLE will have game 'X' and that'll really show you teh untapped powers lulz" and every single year it comes back to bite you on the arse. I guess some guys will never learn.

  • rotmm #183 3 years ago

    @Rash, I look at the latest Killzone 2 trailer, however, and I laugh at the idiocy on display here.

    I look at the Killzone 2 trailer and see a colour palette that makes the original Gears look like a gay disco, textures that could only be considered "sharp" and "hi-res" if I was still living in 2003 and overall blur that makes me wonder if some of my "pr0n lubricant" had, in my excitement, flown onto the screen of my monitor.

  • rotmm #184 3 years ago

    Ah, and as for the faceoff itself, as per usual the 360 comes out best and no surprise there.

    However, I thought the tone of Richard's comments themselves were more inflammatory and less balanced than the previous face-off's. I'm almost wondering if (subconciously) Rich was responding to the very recent PR bullshit where a couple of Sony mouthpieces have come out to talk the same old crap of "potential" and "untapped power", along with Ray Macguire speaking of "downgrading games from PS3 to other {360) consoles".

    These face-off's are a direct result of the false statements that Sony made in 2005 and 2006 with regards to the PS3's capabilities. If they just shut up about it and conceeded that, for example, Next-Gen didn't start when they said it did, I think these type of articles would not be so necessary.

    But as of now, they are. If only for the reason of putting the facts out to combat the Sony spin department.

  • NotSoSlim #185 3 years ago

    Now KZ2 looks poor?

    Yea okay!! Anyway be a gamer not a fangirl

  • Dizzy #186 3 years ago

    "If development trends and architectural disparities govern the technical superiority of a platform then so be it, 360 is superior."

    ROFL...

    That is the very definition of superiority.

    What is the use of making a piece of hardware "awesome" if nobody can or wants to use it? The PS3, just like the PS2, is badly designed hardware from a dev point of view (maybe a great idea from an engineer point of view). Sony got away with it with the PS2 because they sold the most but this time the PS3 "power" will be all but ignored by third parties. I hope that the PS4 will go back to the roots of the PS1 (a GREAT piece of hardware). Then again... MS is in a much better position to expand their hardware design lead.

    And yes KZ2 might be awesome... but certainly do-able on 360. There has been no game that could not be done on the 360 except for some Bluray storage issues (despite what any fanboy tells you). Sadly even that has been a joke since the speed of the Bluray drive is so slow. Sony should have included more RAM in the PS3... at least that would have differentiated the consoles and given it an edge.
    Edited by 2 at 05/11/08 @ 07:54

  • rotmm #187 3 years ago

    @NotSoPoor, Now KZ2 looks poor?

    No, it doesn't look poor. It looks great.

    But it's certainly not the defining title (visually) in the HD gaming era. Not by a long shot.
    Edited by 1 at 05/11/08 @ 07:58

  • myke6699 #188 3 years ago

    This is regarding MC:LA. Although I agree with the some of the assessment, there are few points that I disagree. The colour on the PS3 isn't as washed out as on your comparison gallery and videos. The quincux method that's used on the PS3 gave a shallow depth of field and you still see the details in most objects except the very far. Whereas you can't use the Logitech G25 steering wheel (with clutch) on the 360, on the PS3 it works like a charm (better than GRID ever did). You just have to experience MC:LA with the great steering.

  • Garulon #189 3 years ago

    @Vic, so are you going to admit Calgon and I were right and you were wrong, or what?

  • mazzl #190 3 years ago

    @RASh
    only one point to you.... KZ2 still is not out, the footage shown was nice 2 years ago, but has since been past by cod4, assasince creed(2007) uncharted, gears, and loaads of other games. so get some sence of reality stop buying the hype and njoy you're ps3 for what it is, a decent game console. and a great br player. (sorry i mean br technology promotion device)
    ;p

  • LittleVoice #191 3 years ago

    Post deleted at 18:03:32 01-02-2012

  • NotSoSlim #192 3 years ago

    Can anyone who has actually palyed KZ2 clear up something?

    How does it actually look and play? I am soory but COD4, Assassins Creed, Uncharted...(i can believe Gears 2) looks better than a PRE-alpha stage KZ2?

    Seriously people who have actually seen it, not just video watchers.

  • Rev.StuartCampbell #193 3 years ago

    As an expansion of this analysis, I'd like to see an analysis of platform exclusives.

    What is the rendered pixel resolution and average FPS of -

    I'd like to see someone SHOOT YOU IN THE FACE.

  • LittleVoice #194 3 years ago

    Post deleted at 18:03:32 01-02-2012

  • youhavenomail #195 3 years ago

    The PS3 games come in more attractive boxes, that's what always swings it for me. I can't be doing with so much green in my life. Conversion quality comes a distant second.

  • Dizzy #196 3 years ago

    "You mark my words, this weeks Chart Track will show LBP wipes the floor with gears of war, and Ps3 sales will have been lifted to at least 1/3rd above the 360s as a result. "

    Marked.

    BTW funny that the "upcoming exclusives" on PS3 are always the ones that "will show the POWA". I think last year you did the same post with different games on that list.

  • Rash' #197 3 years ago

    Dizzy, you may be eloquent in technical matters but business and market development clearly not. The PS3 is still at prohibitively high price, which is restricting it's growth. It's alittle immature of you to be talking about PS4 at this stage. The system after all is about complete it's second year.

    BTW, noone want's to develop for the system? That's big stretch of the truth.

    Technical question; when did the 360 become capable of processing volumatric clouds?

  • Darren #198 3 years ago

    So much for my "PS3 multiformat games are getting better" comment earlier... saw the GameTrailers' video review of the new Spider-Man game on the PS3 and it is an eyesore with constant, ugly screen tearing and PS2-like jaggies all over the place. Granted the Xbox 360 version doesn't look amazing either but it at least has much better image quality. How on earth a developer can release such a technically shoddy game I don't know. :o

  • Dizzy #199 3 years ago

    "Technical question; when did the 360 become capable of processing volumatric clouds? "

    Even my ZX Spectrum can do that since this is just an algorithm not a hardware feature... at what speed? How many clouds? What kind of effect on gameplay? I assume you are talking about a specific game?

    Yes I am not a business guy... hence I also do not really predict what will happen with sales. I usually try to limit my posts to technical reasons and stuff. Maybe PS3 will become a great financial success when price goes down. Maybe PS3 is already a success because of the Bluray victory? I am just here as a games dev and I hope the next PS4 will be a better machine for us (and less hyperbole please).

  • rotmm #200 3 years ago

    @rash,

    Google?

    [link url=http://xna-uk.net/files/folders/randomchaos/entry2221. aspx
    ]http://xn a-uk.net/files/folders/randomch...[/link]

    Simple enough that it can be achieved with XNA it seems.

  • Rash' #201 3 years ago

    Dizzy, the question was in response to your "KZ2 is capable on 360" remark. Not so convinced about that. The last first party FPS on 360 didn't even manage a full HD resolution. Lets see...

  • Rash' #202 3 years ago

    heddbogg, yeah, i agree. like for like is a stretch.

  • godfatherobie #203 3 years ago

    Is it me or do these comparisons Always seem a little biased towards 360,

    Sure,
    I know the whole comparison proccess can be quite tough, especially in games featuring dynamic time & weather ((gta / mcla / sr2/ fc2 ))
    But the comparisons for MCLA are clearly not at equal times, (I'd say possibly a 3-4 hour time differance there))

    The most annoying thing though, is Yes 360 probably does look better (If you pull it apart and look at every sigle clip frame by frame.)

    But to what your average Joe Public is viewing, and the full process of the game is all they're ever going to see,
    Theres usually VERY little differance which seems twisted when you have the writer stating that one is clearly better.

    IMHO just bless us with the comparison videos (but FFS please make sure day/time are identicle in-game) and It'd be nice if colour / brightness settings where set to most closely replicate each other,

    Then let the public decide which is best,
    We'd get more of a debate in-comments, and we wouldnt have 1 set writer declaring which he feels is superior

  • CHAZBIGPOTATO #204 3 years ago

    At last common sense prevails! I'm not talking about headbog and Rash, I'm talking about the American Election.

  • des #205 3 years ago

    Killzone 2 lol
    Is that all that SDF has to hope for?More like HypeZone 2



  • rotmm #206 3 years ago

    @hebbdog,

    [link url=http:// www.gametrailers.com/player/27662.html
    ]http://ww w.gametrailers.com/player/27662...[/link]

    Sorry, the animation is fine, but not exactly groundbreaking and certainly not as good as that seen in many titles. Also, Drake seems to have no weight, making it feel very unrealistic.

    As for KZ2, I'm yet to see any of this "never before seen" animation quality that people such as Rash seem to believe is there.

  • Rash' #207 3 years ago

    farticus, actually i don't know that hence the "I'm not convinced" remark. Let it go you anal freak. Let's just wait see.

  • Rash' #208 3 years ago

    rotmm, I'm sorry but where was i singing lyrically about the animation in KZ2? You're getting your over excited self cofused.

  • Rash' #209 3 years ago

    "Fanboy idiot, goodbye."

    In context that statement says more about you then the posters it was directed at.

  • DrDamn #210 3 years ago

    Couple of points, yes Farticus has played Uncharted. Whilst I think he's a bit harsh on it, the basis of his criticisms is valid. The animation is good where it can fit a stock animation in, but suffers from the usual problems when faced with a bit of a corner, or the edge of where you are allowed to go. Stuff like Assassins Creed is a much better benchmark for animation. Gameplay wise Uncharted sits in a bit of a middle ground of Gears-like combat and TR-like exploration/puzzles. It fails to surpass either at those particular disciplines in my opinion. Combat is not as tight as Gears and the raiding parts are too shallow in the puzzle department for my liking. I like the controls of Uncharted over TR though - much more fluid and coherent.

    As for KZ2 on 360 - of course it could do it but it would be different - not better or worse, just different. KZ2 plays a lot to the strengths of the PS3 in concentrating on effects like motion blur very well and avoiding comparative weaknesses like texture quality and texture effects.


  • rotmm #211 3 years ago

    @hebdog, "and if you would care to name a single game that blends animation IN REALTIME as well as that, I will gladly shut up."

    Not entirely sure where the Underworld argument comes in to it. I can't recall mentioning that game.

    As for games with better animation than Uncharted IN REALTIME, there's plenty. The original Gears has it beat, and games such as AssCreed also.

    So thanks, you can gladly shut up now.

    @Rash,

    Apologies. I got you mixed up with comments made by Hadbeg.

  • Rash' #212 3 years ago

    DrDamn, the comparison between Gears and Uncharted is an understandable but mistaken one. Yes the cover system gameplay isn't as tight as Gears but Uncharted's strength lies in it's ability to improvise between cover, run 'n' gun and hand to hand combat. There's no doubt Uncharted has been inspired by a number of successful franchises, but naughty dogs achievement with the game has been to bring those inspirations coherently together in a well scripted adventure story. I understand the obvious comparisons with it's inspirations (POP being another) but the game arguably has a very distinct identity of its own.
    Edited by 2 at 05/11/08 @ 12:43

  • Rash' #213 3 years ago

    farticus, The statement read liked a child throwing a hissy fit and then running away. But to your credit you're still here. No matter how annoying you may be, your determination (however misguided i may consider it to be) is admirable.

  • BobsUncle #214 3 years ago

    Did anyone watch the Force Unleashed vid? The floor textures on the PS3 are all blurred and shitty, and I couldn't believe the tearing in the middle of one scene (where he's jumping).

    TBH it looks shit on both platforms but the PS3 version looks like a PS2 game.

    This is exactly the reason why I always buy cross-platform games on the 360 and why my PS3 has been demoted to an expensive media player.

  • BobsUncle #215 3 years ago

    "He's a biased fanboy through and through."

    Pot, kettle and black spring to mind there.

  • Rash' #216 3 years ago

    rotmm, no worries. I've been guity of the same.

  • Rash' #217 3 years ago

    farticus, if there's one thing i've learn't about gamers, whether we be Sony, Microsoft, or Ninty enthusiasts, it's that we're a passionate bunch willing to stand for what we believe in.

  • Rash' #218 3 years ago

    heddbogg, any minute now farticus will correct you for misquoting him...
    Edited by 1 at 05/11/08 @ 13:08

  • Michael1406 #219 3 years ago

    @ochinembiri: You can't say that everyone is in a situation where the wireless adapter isn't needed. It would be an essential accessory for me given my situation. And I very much doubt I'm alone when it comes to wanting the best in any given product line. I would have to get an Elite.

    What I'm saying is - not everyone wants their Arcade model right next to their phone line.

  • Buggs #220 3 years ago

    Game Quality: PS3 < 360
    Exclusives that interest me: PS3 > 360
    Hardware: PS3 > 360*
    Price: PS3 < 360

    *I'm talking about build quality of the hardware, features (ie. blu-ray), my preferences on the controller

    Some of these will be more important to different people and these are just my opinion, but I don't really see how anyone can really argue with any except for the exclusives. But what you have is 2 excellent consoles that are good in different ways.

    Anyway, I really don't care about frame rates, tearing, pop-in etc. etc. and rarely even notice issues with these. Even if I do notice some in game it rarely spoils my enjoyment or immersion in the game. If the game is good I enjoy it.

    But I'm glad there are people who are passionate about this stuff. If everyone was like me then no progress would ever be made. And I actually thank the people who write these articles and the people who come on here and comment for demanding the best and forcing the games industry to constantly improve. I just wish that some of them would learn to express themselves without sounding like pre-school idiots bickering, fighting for attention and totally overreacting whenever someone says something contrary to what they believe.
    Edited by 1 at 05/11/08 @ 13:32

  • rotmm #221 3 years ago

    @begdog, "In what part of that statement is he making anything approaching areasoned dbate?
    He imediately lays into KZ2 , ignoring all the feedback people from the eurogamer event, online beta and previews have written, and declares KZ2 to be a medocre game?"

    Firstly, I was at the Eurogamer event.

    Secondly, at no point has I stated Killzone 2 to be a mediocre game. None of us has played enough of it to make that judgement yet.

    Thirdly, I haven't said that the game doesn't look good. In fact, I said in this very thread that it does.

    However, I don't believe it is a genre-defining title in the graphics stakes. The vast majority of people who see the game will think it looks great, but there is a subset of people who are choosing to view it as the greatest looking game ever. And sorry, it's not.

  • Buggs #222 3 years ago

    P.S. why is the install times for PS3 games always mentioned as a negative. It might take 10 minutes but you only have to do it once. It's only 10 minutes, what's the problem?

  • BobsUncle #223 3 years ago

    @HeddBogg

    "Id love to be able to have a sensible debate in here to, but no sooner do i present a strucutred, thought out argument, with examples and evidence,"

    Swiftly followed by,

    "everyone with an XBOX 360 is quite conent with runing 50 meters of cabling all around their one bedroom flat in hammersmith, or they are spotty teenage geeks"

    You are an idiot or the highest order.

  • BobsUncle #224 3 years ago

    @HeddBogg

    You mean the smiley that was three paragraphs away from the original statement? No, because that appears to apply to the Nintendo comment.

    The fact is you seriously say "Id love to be able to have a sensible debate in here" but then come out with stupid comments to contradict yourself, and then say you're joking.

    If you want a sensible debate, then be sensible. And saying things like "Gears of War can fuck right off" as your first comment in the GoW2 thread does not help your cause.

  • Calgon #225 3 years ago

    The animation is good where it can fit a stock animation in, but suffers from the usual problems when faced with a bit of a corner, or the edge of where you are allowed to go. Stuff like Assassins Creed is a much better benchmark for animation.

    Agreed DrDamn, Assissins Creed's animation is stand out next/this gen material.

    Also motion blur is not a problem for 360, this was 1st generation stuff that people actually complained about because it was often overdone(subtle is usually the best way to implement effects, if it stands out too much it spoils the rest... everything should look natural), I think most people would rather have more AA though if it came between that and motion blur(say 2xAA with motion blur or 4x without motion blur) this is mainly due to the amount eDram available on the daughter-die of the 360 GPU IIRC(both AA and motion blur do come at a lower performance cost on 360 though and they could just as easily implement it on the CPU).

  • Kryon #226 3 years ago

    So, lulz anyway, Wassup homiez? We still talking about how the PS3 is teh uber FAIL (15 times over, no less) or are we on to salivating over how BADASS Gears 2 will be? I actually can't be bothered with hedbag and his bunch of snivelling SDF cronies crying over their loss any more. I do feel a bit sorry for them but hey, that's life. Maybe they could sell their arses to make up that £129, then the seething jealousy could finally be put to rest ;)
    Edited by 1 at 05/11/08 @ 14:30

  • BobsUncle #227 3 years ago

    Zombie Ninjas > Ninja Zombies

  • Mr-Bozzey #228 3 years ago

    lol meh i dont care it boils down to what you think

    these reviews take away your ability to make up your own mind and turn you into a drone that MUST go along with them because its a european games site and they MUST be right.

    frankly im a ps3 owner and all these 360 are better than ps3 comments are just childish.

    im just happy that my ps3 turns on plays games takes music and videos and works fine and what ever EG or IGN say or the thousands of xbox fanboys say i wont be selling or changing to M$ any time soon.
    Edited by 1 at 05/11/08 @ 15:41

  • BobsUncle #229 3 years ago

    "these reviews take away your ability to make up your own mind and turn you into a drone.. "

    Actually, these reviews are here to HELP you make up your mind by showing you side by side footage from both formats.

    "..that MUST go along with them because its a european games site and they MUST be right."

    I don't think anyone really cares about the fact it's European. We're not all fanatical patriots like some other countries around the world.

    "frankly im a ps3 owner and all these 360 are better than ps3 comments are just childish."

    Well, obviously, because you're a PS3 owner.

    im just happy that my ps3 turns on plays games takes music and videos and works fine and what ever EG or IGN say or the thousands of xbox fanboys say i wont be selling or changing to M$ any time soon.

    No offence, but that's the sound of a dyed in the wool Sony fanboy talking.

  • darc #230 3 years ago

    I haven't poured over the pages of comments to see whether this has already been pointed out... but from the EG PS3 Bioshock review from, oh, about 2 weeks ago:

    "So, the story is still great and still worth experiencing fresh. I could, of course, talk about the technical differences between PS3 and 360...except there really aren't any. Or at least none that my human eyes can detect. I'm sure that a future comparison article will tear the frames apart to lay bare exactly how the PS3 code stands up to the 360, but for the vast majority of players it'll be a moot point. It plays at a steady 30 frames-per-second, with no screen tearing that I could see."

    In stark contrast with the observations made in this article. I'm a happy XBox owner, no dog in the race, but nevertheless...

  • Codger81 #231 3 years ago

    Yes we can!

    Oh, sorry, wrong website.

  • Amoebalove #232 3 years ago

    @hedbog or whatever you call yourself these days

    I’m going to try and avoid getting into a debate over which is the best console with you as i get plenty of enjoyment out of both my 360 and ps3. However, I’m lost as to how think you have somehow proven the ps3s superiority by simply stating that “the PS3s exclusives have and. will exell beyond anything the 360 is capable of, and that gap is widening month by month.” Where is the proof?

    Drakes animation seems to be your benchmark for this statement and yet as others have noted in this thread (and not to mention in several reviews at the time) Assassins Creed has superior animation.

    I have yet to see anything on the ps3 that the 360 could not match and believe me I bought into the bullshit that Sony fed us about the power of the ps3 but I’m not so blinkered that I can’t admit that I was duped.

    Sorry but “It loks lucious, has flid, realistic animation” did make me chuckle! Say flid animation out loud :)

  • bad09 #233 3 years ago

    Not read comments, can imagine!

    I've only ever found these articles useful once, and I have to ask, was their any real point comparing Bioshock other than fanboy baiting? 360 owners interested in that game have long purchased and played......

  • rotmm #234 3 years ago

    It's interesting to see what an extra year's development brings to the table.

  • Vic #235 3 years ago

    No, not everyone, just Calgon, Kryon and Calgon.

    3-fix-me fan club! 'But teh RROD doesnt exist!' :D.

  • spudsbuckley #236 3 years ago

    im just happy that my ps3 turns on plays games takes music and videos and works fine

    My feelings exactly. I'd be 360/Wii if i though the 360 wouldn't fall over and die if i used it a my main machine, so i'm currently PS3/360/Wii (i regret getting the Wii).

  • The_Game_Guy #237 3 years ago

    Funny isn't it how Eurogamer failed to mention all the big problems with the PS3 version of Bioshock in their review.
    I wonder how much incentive they had to do that.
    It just proves that reviews are a complete scam and that reviewers are liars.

  • m0thr4 #238 3 years ago

    /decides to forget intire article

    /hugs ps3

    Now do fallout 3 please!

    Why? You know the one thing I've learned from these ridiculous Face-Off articles is that "ignorance is bliss".

    I got Fallout 3 for my PS3 rather than for my Xbox 360 as I can't stand the noise the latter console makes during quieter sections of the game (which, like Oblivion, is about 80% of it). I can tell you for a fact that there's nothing wrong with it - no obviously bad graphics, no obviously bad frame rate (the frame rate is a lot better than Oblivion on either Xbox 360 or PS3 anyway). The game is fun to play.

    Now, I just know that wanker with the frame-by-frame analysis (who was clearly the geeky nerd at school nobody liked) is going to try and spoil our fun, so just ignore him and maybe one day he'll go away.

  • m0thr4 #239 3 years ago

    Funny isn't it how Eurogamer failed to mention all the big problems with the PS3 version of Bioshock in their review.
    I wonder how much incentive they had to do that.
    It just proves that reviews are a complete scam and that reviewers are liars.

    It could be that, yes... or it could simply be that differences that appear under a microscope become invisible once you step back and look at the larger picture.

    Western reductionism vs. Eastern holism... you take your pick.

  • SniperZoz #240 3 years ago

    wasn't 2008 gonna be the yeat of the PS3?? we're in november and most face offs are still going 360's way ... wth ... this is not getting old ... this is old!

  • muscleblade #241 3 years ago

    " if there's one thing i've learn't about gamers, whether we be Sony, Microsoft, or Ninty enthusiasts, it's that we're a passionate bunch willing to stand for what we believe in."

    I dont get it. Why?? I dont care wich company made the console i just want the best and the 360 is the best console this generation.
    If anything im a Nintendo enthusiast since i have owned every Nintendo console.

  • oupe #242 3 years ago

    @marronthered

    I've owned a 360 premium and an elite over a 3 year span. Neither of those have ever broken down. The noise problem isn't 'fixed' on the elite (don't know if it's a Jasper). IMHO it's only irritating when playing games that have large silent parts (eg Fable 2). But normally the ingame sound and music will mask the noise.

    This should be fixed by the new firmware since you can copy the game to the hdd.

  • Darren #243 3 years ago

    People on NeoGAF have made a very good point about how EG rarely mention audio in these comparison articles. I've noticed myself that a lot of PS3 games support DTS sound and on my surround sound system that means louder, clearer audio compared with the Xbox 360. Dead Space supports DTS on the PS3 apparently and many people claim the sound is better. I guess the extra space on a BD disc should mean less compressed sound, right? So shouldn't EG be mentioning this in future face-offs or is audio not considered to be that important?

  • LittleVoice #244 3 years ago

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  • AusFreelancer #245 3 years ago

    Got page hits?

    EG "The Sun" of the gaming press....hang on even they know the 2 machines serve different preferences.

  • bitesize #246 3 years ago


    @Darren: eurogamer just don't seem to think audio is very important in games. they hardly ever mention the audio in games reviews, they might have a brief sentence or 2 if the voice acting or music is particularly bad or good, but they never mention the actual sound design (which is annoying for me, since that's my job). as for comparison between XBox/PS3, PS3 games will generally always sound better, due to the DTS output (whereas XBox only has Dolby Digital 5.1). and like you say, there's always the huge amount of extra blu-ray storage, so you'll generally get most of the streamed audio (ie stuff that's streamed off disc like speech/music/ambient sounds) uncompressed. in-game memory-resident sounds will still be compressed tho, as with XBox. but in general, all PS3 games will sound better than XBox games.

  • mcmonkeyplc #247 3 years ago

    Barrack Obama save us.

  • Calgon #248 3 years ago

    Audio? Xbox1 had DD 5.1 in every game that I bought... never mentioned as bonus in any comparisons. Also it could be mentioned but to try and represent that here would be wastefull... it's more of a storage issue than anything else though(disk space as someone rightly pointed out), 360 does do DTS btw(Xbox did it) as far as I know(it supports the correct connections for it and both PS3 and 360 handle audio through the CPU IIRC... any issues with this can be patched).

    Alot of gamers dont even have DD 5.1 (let alone 7.1), I do however, Im actually considering some 5.1 headphones rather than upgrading my entry level creative inspire package... reason being I play mostly at night anyway, so most of the time Im playing it would be wasted otherwise.
    Edited by 2 at 06/11/08 @ 19:22

  • shieldslfc #249 3 years ago

    Scary scary reading if you own a PS3 (I used to, was thinking of getting another, but I think I will wait untill it price drops, significantly!). If they totted up over the 15 rounds how many games the 360 version was better, you would be looking at a landslide decision in favour of the 360, out of roughly 75 games compared, the PS3 would be lucky to pick up 5 votes !!!

  • TRUTH #250 3 years ago

    Fallout 3 is better on 360 - color depth, textures and framerate - you won't notice unless side by side (..got both consoles)

  • TRUTH #251 3 years ago

    360 is cheaper, more exclusives, better online, and 2+yrs on still out does the PS3. The games are cheaper too!...and perform better!!

  • SAH1977 #252 3 years ago

    You buy a console for exclusives, the rest is fluff with minimal differences, 95% of which is crap.

    GT5, LBP, MGS etc sell consoles.

  • MisterSlimm #253 3 years ago

    I've collated the results of these face-offs on my blog.

  • zelonze #254 3 years ago

    These comments are hilarious! So much fanboy angst. I find these comparisons to be quite helpful and don’t believe they are biased.. As already mentioned here, EG doesn’t even perform the comparisons – they are provided by digital foundry. As a PS3 and 360 owner who is very OCD, I want the best looking version of the game I am about to drop $60 on. More often than not, that version is the 360 version. It’s not a bias! Guitar Hero 3/Aerosmith has lower resolution and pixilated crowds on PS3. Lost Planet noticeably looks like poo. And yes, Bioshock is visibly inferior on PS3. It’s not an opinion, it is a fact. Meanwhile, Devil May Cry 3 is pretty much the same on both platforms so buy whatever is cheaper. This is good info for people like me and I am glad that they do these comparisons. PS3 has a more powerful CPU and 360 has a more powerful GPU, this is fact. That latter piece of hardware matters the most when it comes to games.

  • cameronl99 #255 3 years ago

    This article is complete and utter bullshit. I played DeadSpace on PS3 and have gone through numerous zero gravity areas, boss fights and frantic onscreen action without a single hitch in the framerate. This person is lying about this comparison, which leaves extremely high suspicions on the rest of his so called "comparisons". If you show the same game on different TV's with different refresh rates and contrast ratios, the colours will look more/less vibrant, shadows will be more pronounces, and more screen tearing and frame rate stutters will occur. This person is obviously fixing these results, as you can tell from his writing he is clearly biased and not willing to give the PS3 it's due even when PS3 games clearly look better. These comparisons should be taken with less than a grain of salt, which seems to be the contents of this no-life comparison author's head.

  • Calgon #256 3 years ago

    cameronl99 you've just proven yourself to be someone who just doesnt like what they hear in that post... if you knew what you were talking about, or atleast read the damn thing properly, TVs arent even part of the equasion at all here... the captures are straight from the framebuffers pretty much ie unaltered/no margin for error.

  • Calgon #257 3 years ago


    heddbogg, any minute now farticus will correct you for misquoting him...


    Well if Rash' senseless whining about a perfectly good score for LBP in random, unrelated 360 topics wasnt enough to convince people he's a stealth PS3 fanboy who trolls 360 topics feigning interest, siding with Heddbogg ought to swing it... jeeze.

  • SaberEdge #258 3 years ago

    Well guys, the Dead Space demos are out now and I can confirm that the 360 version does indeed run more smoothly than the PS3 version. Any of you with both consoles, give it a try--compare both versions and you will see that the Eurogamer comparison was spot on. So much for the idea that if a game leads on the Ps3 that it will result in the PS3 version outperforming the 360 version. First there was Dark Sector that had better resolution and anti-aliasing, then there was Mirror's Edge that had better anti-aliasing and less screen tearing, and now Dead Space that runs better on the 360. It seems that even when the PS3 is the lead platform games sometimes end up better on the 360. At the very least the 360 versions end up looking the same.

    I have both consoles and I really do like them both, but facts are facts and there is no doubt that the 360 generally performs better with multiplatform games. I have even done a lot of comparisons myself and I have found that the 360 versions are nearly always better to some degree or another. It really surprised me, to be honest, because for a while I really bought into the whole idea of the PS3 being this ridiculous technological powerhouse. .Good thing that the PS3 has a few good exclusives and will be getting more in the future, because otherwise I'm not sure I would even keep it. I bought into all the hype about it being the most powerful system, but I just haven't seen that to be true. I have Uncharted and MGS4 and those games do look nice, but I find that some people overexaggerate how good they are in the graphics department. For instance, I recently got Gears of War 2 and I think that game looks decidedly better than either MGS4 or Uncharted. This makes me think back to that analysis MS did comparing the 360 to the PS3 which showed the 360 actually being a more powerful piece of hardware when it comes to actually making games and you know what?...I now believe that to be the truth. I mean, basically all we have is Sony's word against Microsoft's. They both claimed that their console is the more powerful, but Sony have a track record of overhyping their consoles, while MS do not. Developers mostly stay out of it and don't say much either way....don't want to step on any toes it seems. Nevertheless, I have read a lot of comments from developers where they implied that the 360 is actually more powerful in the real world. And based on what I have seen, that doesn't surprise me.
    Edited by 1 at 26/11/08 @ 07:27